Open 248: Two of Four - Game Over

[Jora]

Oh, yes. The wiki says so.

But I'm angry!!! OK. I ask sobody else to hammer me after 5 hours after that moment.

[Fenchurch]

Fifth Vote Count of Day One:

}|{opa - 3 (charter, BlakAdder, CommieX)

BlakAdder - 2 (edmund.angles, }|{opa)
edmund.angles - 1 (smashbro_of_the_SSS)

Not Voting: 1 (Thor665)

With seven alive, it will take four votes to lynch someone.

Deadline is: Tuesday, 5th October at 10:41 am GMT.

[Thor665]

@ }|{opa - if you're angry and want to be lynched - why do you want the person who is going to hammer you to wait five hours?

[Jora]

@ }|{opa - if you're angry and want to be lynched - why do you want the person who is going to hammer you to wait five hours?

Don't know. I guess it makes me feel like I did it myself, not a casual hammer.

[CommieX]

Meh, I guess FMPOV a massclaim pays off if opa flips town, but not massclaiming turns out better if he flips scum.

I'm fairly confident that he is scum, but I'll leave it up to the discretion of the other PR. Claim if you want to, or don't.

And for the record, I have no objection to anyone hammering.

[Thor665]

Meh, I guess FMPOV a massclaim pays off if opa flips town, but not massclaiming turns out better if he flips scum.

I would actually phrase it - no massclaim is *dangerous* if he flips town, and it's fine if he flips scum.

Power roles in this setup, in my opinion, are most powerful as confirmed towns - we don't really have enough days to make the "value" of their various powers shine through.

[Thor665]

Another way to look at it - we have a town power called massclaim - it will confirm two town roles but only if used day one.

Why wouldn't you use that?

[BlakAdder]

@Thor: Don't count me specifically as for massclaim. I'm more undecided.
@Opa: While I'm obviously for your wagon, I don't support a self-hammer. That'll only deprive us of discussion time.

[charter]

Just got a new computer, I'll be able to catch up tomorrow for sure, maybe tonight.

[edmund.angles]

@opa-voters: Please unvote to avoid self-hammer during discussion(and potentially massclaim).

I've been won over:
I've been thinking about confirmed townies in LyLo -powerfull.

@opa: It's just a game, don't take it so personally. And if you keep your emotions in check a bit then you'll probably survive longer in your next game. Overly emotional play is scummy because scum should fear the lynch more than town.

The bad news is that you probably won't escape the noose this game.
If you're town, the good news is that you can still help- tell us your thougths on the game and the players.

massclaim tally:
Yay: opa, Thor, edmund
Blank: CommieX

[Jora]

@opa-voters: Please unvote to avoid self-hammer during discussion(and potentially massclaim).
....
tell us your thougths on the game and the players.

No point in waiting. I sayed almost all that i have noticed except my thought about possible PR-holders (i think it better to be silent abuot that matter).
Look's like almost everybody puted in an appearance.
When smashbro_of_the_SSS arrives I sugest him to hammer imidietly. I'll be thankful.

[Jora]

We're actually in the day before LYLO already.

Btw. I think this is could be a scum slip.

[Thor665]

@}|{opa - seriously dude - play to the win condition. You acting like this because of the shocking and strange situation that is getting lynched in a game of mafia is really weird. Replace out if you aren't having fun, and if you are having fun play the game to help your team win. You've even expressed support of massclaim but at the same time are moping around and trying to get yourself hammered. That is weak.

Tell you what, after massclaim I'll come and hammer you - promise. Now please be quiet or replace out.

[Thor665]

We're actually in the day before LYLO already.

Btw. I think this is could be a scum slip.

...do you know what an open setup is?

[Jora]

Tell you what, after massclaim I'll come and hammer you - promise. Now please be quiet or replace out.

Calm down, you maniac. Btw, I was thinking and guess what? (BlakAdder, Thor665) - very good looking scumteam.

[Jora]

We're actually in the day before LYLO already.

Btw. I think this is could be a scum slip.

...do you know what an open setup is?

We in LyLo if we lynch a town today. Where you get that I'm townie from? IIRC it's been you who first sayed that I'm a scum.

[Thor665]

We in LyLo if we lynch a town today. Where you get that I'm townie from? IIRC it's been you who first sayed that I'm a scum.

Oh, my bad, I didn't realize I had to be 100% certain before I voted for someone and called them scum. Won't make that mistake again.

[Jora]

If Blaky would be a town, than very likely some other amongst that players who voted me is scum.
That scum definitely interested in helping me to lynch Blaky, becouse then it would be 2 misslynces (Blaky->Me).
Why Blaky is still not popular, despite the fact that Thor665 seems now not so certain about me and unvoted?

I think that if scumteam is (BlakAdder, Thor665) then it explains many things if not the all things.

1)I'm cought Blaky when he talks about some mistik plan that he intended to do after my dead. And entrusted townies with lycnh him to avoid any falseclaiming consequences.
2)His partner Thor665 saw that townies probably will not trust in those possible falseclaimings which they have planned to confirm Blaky as town tomorrow and to lynch real PR. So mafias decided not to falseclaiming.
3)If not falseclaim then what could help scums to win? Killing confirmed townies and surviving. So Thor's aim now to be most pro-town looking player and stay out of suspicion. Also he need to find and kill the dangerous for him last PR. Thor665 proposed a massclaim. And obviously he not a PR himself (if he would be a PR, than he don't need any plan and just claimed instead).

[CommieX]

Calm down, you maniac. Btw, I was thinking and guess what? (BlakAdder, Thor665) - very good looking scumteam.

Come again? Are you just attacking anyone that expresses suspicion of you?

[Jora]

Calm down, you maniac. Btw, I was thinking and guess what? (BlakAdder, Thor665) - very good looking scumteam.

Come again? Are you just attacking anyone that expresses suspicion of you?

Don't be silly. Stop distorting things and for God's sake start thinking. Do own analysis if you have somthing. You confirmed town, so be more active!

[smashbro_of_the_SSS]

Another way to look at it - we have a town power called massclaim - it will confirm two town roles but only if used day one.

Why wouldn't you use that?

Pretty sure it also works day two also. not sure why you're so anxious for power roles to be outed. Thor, I don't think you get the fact that the other PR can possibly prevent a death at night or yield an investigation. If said power roles dies at night, then it still helps in mass-claiming, because now only 1 power role needs to be accounted for.

We're actually in the day before LYLO already.

Btw. I think this is could be a scum slip.

Explain?


Also, I'll hammer if everyone wants me to, even though i am wavering a bit on him being scum, it'll provide info about who voted him no matter what. I don't support mass claiming right now, i dont see any reason that it couldn't wait till LYLO.

[edmund.angles]

I need to learn to think before I post:
Nay to massclaim, reasons very soon

tally:
Yay: opa, Thor
Nay: Smasbro, edmund
blank: CommieX

[Jora]

We're actually in the day before LYLO already.

Btw. I think this is could be a scum slip.

Explain?

Again? What so hard to understand here?
Just noticed that Thor speaks about me in that way like he actually know that it would be misslynch today, that I'm a townie (which only scum can know for sure). He never mentionned before those post that he admits at least thinly possibility for me to be town. Let me remind hes testis "Jora's plan could do only scum or Miller, but he's not Miller". He not rejected it yet.
I'm not saying that this mistake is 100% scumtell but it's rare for town, especially when he is main prosecutor.

Also, I'll hammer if everyone wants me to, even though i am wavering a bit on him being scum, it'll provide info about who voted him no matter what. I don't support mass claiming right now, i dont see any reason that it couldn't wait till LYLO.

Well... how about these reasons:

Something like that: lynch me, they nightkill somebody (but not a Miller) = 5/2 scums = 2+1Miller twnies. Then he, or his partner falsclaiming a Cop role with guilty result on one of those 2 townies. One of them is real RP... but if scums guess right and blame him then game over (it would be word of a cop against the word of caught in guilty). 50% that they win so simple!!! Even if they will be bad at guesswork it would be 50/50 again: the word of real RP against the word of a Cop with gulty result on a RP's "scumbuddy"!
OR they woudn't kill and it will be 6/2 scums = Miller + 3 townies. It allows them also win in most of a cases just fakeclaiming Roleblocker with guilty result (or just watching the show if Real roleblocker would be found and be unluky to check one of 2 VT's).

Massclaim looking reasonable for me, however, I still thinking that it's up to PR to decide could he handle it or not.

[Jora]

LAST TRY:

nevertheless, what if we lynch Blaky today? I promise you don't regret it. It isn't fair that I commit nothing wrong, do many analisis, a lot of interactions with each of the players and you going to lynch me!, but he get away with anti-town bla-bla-bla play and attempt to sudden hammer!
I guarantee that Blaky is safe lynch. He's scum.

[Jora]

Stop play the hypocrites! More than half of you guessed alredy that I'm just a townie. Why you so afraid to admit it?