Mafia 42: Italian - Game over!


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Post Post #250 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2005 2:41 am

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Vote count:


Illumina - 10 (JSexton, micigante, Lying Brian, Iammars, Fritzler, TonyMontana, TSAGod, zu_Faul, Blackberry, NanooktheWolf)

Jabroni2000 - 4 (PookyTheMagicalBear, StevieT92, Vesuvan, Yosarian2)
PookyTheMagicalBear - 1 (Flying Dutchman)
Flying Dutchman - 2 (BabyJesus, Monty)
Iammars - 1 (inHimshallibe)
LyingBrian - 1 (Gonzo)

NO LYNCH - 1 (Illumina)

13 Votes to lynch
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Post Post #251 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2005 4:31 am

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I will prod Flying Dutchman because i am still looking for someone to replace Spamwise and i doubt i will be able to get two people.
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Post Post #252 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:11 am

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Once again, the votecount is incorrect ...
Mod: I am voting Illumina
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Post Post #253 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:50 am

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Can someone give me one simple reason why they think Illumina is mafia? One reason. It has to be good. You're killing a real person here.
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Post Post #254 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2005 7:53 am

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Phoebus wrote:
Vote count:


Illumina - 10 (JSexton, micigante, Lying Brian, Iammars, Fritzler, TonyMontana, TSAGod, zu_Faul, Blackberry, Nanook)

Jabroni2000 - 4 (PookyTheMagicalBear, StevieT92, Vesuvan, Yosarian2)
PookyTheMagicalBear - 1 (Flying Dutchman)
Flying Dutchman - 2 (BabyJesus, Monty)
Iammars - 1 (inHimshallibe)
LyingBrian - 1 (Gonzo)

NO LYNCH - 1 (Illumina)

13 Votes to lynch
The count is now fixed.

My mistake wolfie. At least your unvote was counted. :oops:
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Post Post #255 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:00 am

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JSexton wrote:
Illumina wrote:Okay - care to elaborate on those?
Figured you'd ask.
Illumina wrote:I'll go with a general no lynch vote for now
The most obvious. Why on earth would you consider this a good idea? Big tell.
Illumina wrote:I was actually tempted to vote for Lying (would have saved me from being "suspicious" and been a solid move from a townsperson and mafia ...
If you're analyzing how solid your play is, you probably have something to hide. Townies don't. Fairly big tell.
Illumina wrote:I was tempted because his actions were a bit suspicious, but not enough to warrant a vote
It seems pretty common for scum to cast vague suspicions on fellow scum without actually voting for them. It lets you have the best of both worlds. Small tell.
Illumina wrote:And because I needed to defend myself simply for not voting
That's awfully defensive. There was no pressure on you at that point. Medium tell.
Illumina wrote:is it even possible that the mafia could make three kills again this entire game?
Fishing. Small tell.
Illumina wrote:Sorry for the noob mistake - I was aware of the special roles, but not the two mafia families variation. (I've played about 4 games before)
4 games? You don't get to play the n00b card anymore. Medium tell.

I know you've sort of dealt with the 'no lynch' thing, but I'm not really satisfied. There's only three reasons for a no lynch. One is a complex situation that certainly didn't apply here. The others are both scum tactics, one for new scum, one for experienced scum. I don't know which you are yet.

Anyway, every post you make smells wrong. Taken as a whole, I'm pretty confident that you're scum.
Gonzo, thurrr is your reasons. Plus the fact that he;s not claiming despite being pressed.
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Post Post #256 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:26 am

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I'm back...

Rereading Illumina's posts, I can see what JSexton is talking about. I don't like how fast he's been run up, so I'm going to abstain from the vote. However, I think a claim is in order.

No other real thoughts, b/c that seems to have been the topic of debate while I was away.
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Post Post #257 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:46 pm

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The only problem with claiming is that it makes me a major target. That, and I don't think JSexton's arguments are valid to begin with. I'm still waiting for a response from him, as well as zu_Faul, to defend their arguments. Unless someone has a different reason than the ones JSexton listed, (which I feel I've debunked) I'd love to hear a tangible explanation for your vote. It seems like the majority of people holding onto their votes against me are doing so for flimsy reasons.
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Post Post #258 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:54 pm

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Illumina wrote:The only problem with claiming is that it makes me a major target. That, and I don't think JSexton's arguments are valid to begin with. I'm still waiting for a response from him, as well as zu_Faul, to defend their arguments. Unless someone has a different reason than the ones JSexton listed, (which I feel I've debunked) I'd love to hear a tangible explanation for your vote. It seems like the majority of people holding onto their votes against me are doing so for flimsy reasons.
But the fact that you are 3 votes away from a lynch, no matter what there reasons, should give you a reason to claim, or at least defend agaisnt what arguements are out there. If you feel that the arguements are crap, tell us why. You'll might persuade us.
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Post Post #259 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2005 1:15 pm

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Illumina wrote:The only problem with claiming is that it makes me a major target. That, and I don't think JSexton's arguments are valid to begin with. I'm still waiting for a response from him, as well as zu_Faul, to defend their arguments. Unless someone has a different reason than the ones JSexton listed, (which I feel I've debunked) I'd love to hear a tangible explanation for your vote. It seems like the majority of people holding onto their votes against me are doing so for flimsy reasons.
Yea, look above, I also said it was because you weren't claiming. Duh.
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Post Post #260 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2005 1:44 pm

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I guess it's just an issue of where the burden of proof lies - since no one (to my knowledge) has given vastly different reasons than JSexton, I've basically already said why the arguments against me don't have merit when I responded to him. Still, I'll go ahead and address every one indivudually. I have a few papers to write at the moment, but I'll respond to all of it tomorrow, probably by tuesday morning at the latest.
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Post Post #261 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2005 2:04 pm

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Illumina's playing really badly, but the speed that bandwagon's moving looks like it's scum-driven.
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Post Post #262 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2005 2:20 pm

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Vesuvan wrote:Illumina's playing really badly, but the speed that bandwagon's moving looks like it's scum-driven.
Do you have any issue with the post analysis?
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Post Post #263 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2005 3:35 pm

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No, but the rate at which people have climbed on-board disturbs me. The analysis is a good indicator but not foolproof.
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Post Post #264 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2005 4:29 pm

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I agree with Vesuvan. I think he summed up my thoughts on this bandwagon accurately. And I'm not saying JSexton is scum, because he brought up some valid points. But that lynch escalated
quickly
. Still, if we're this far, I think we need a claim.
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Post Post #265 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2005 4:43 pm

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unvote, vote Lying Brian
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Post Post #266 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:07 pm

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BabyJesus wrote:
unvote, vote Lying Brian
Any reason?
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Post Post #267 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2005 6:39 pm

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mod might I suggest PMing Zippy, he will probably replace one of the slackers.


So now Illumina is making a vague claim? Only claim that makes anyone a target is one of a role player. If that is the case you already made yourself a target.

I think the analysis is flawed but I am not one who looks at any day one lynch as going too fast. I have seen many a day one lynch be done by impatient town, or just voting to get through the first day.

Illumina you are at a point you need to claim, anything else would be not be helpful at this juncture.
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Post Post #268 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2005 7:52 pm

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Not claiming will definitely draw my vote.
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Post Post #269 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2005 10:09 pm

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TSAGod wrote:
BabyJesus wrote:
unvote, vote Lying Brian
Any reason?
no one seems to want to go Flying Dutchman .....
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Post Post #270 (ISO) » Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:45 pm

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Ok, I see that Illumina could easily be scum, but I'll wait on that until he makes some advancement...

My vote still rests on LyingBrian.
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Post Post #271 (ISO) » Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:29 am

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And my vote still rests on pooky. Yay!
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Post Post #272 (ISO) » Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:36 am

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Oh hey! I like that, I'm going for Pooky!

Unvote,
Vote PookyTheMagicalBear


I know, I've thrown logic to the winds. :D
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Post Post #273 (ISO) » Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:59 am

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zu_Faul, how did I not address his points...?
He talked about you analyzing how solid your play was.
And you say that the No Lynch reason against you is good. I think it's OK for you if I vote you because of that (of course not as the only reason).
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Why do you vote Pooky?
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Post Post #274 (ISO) » Mon Nov 14, 2005 3:18 am

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Gonzo wrote:Ok, I see that Illumina could easily be scum, but I'll wait on that until he makes some advancement...

My vote still rests on LyingBrian.
So you're just going to wait for him to lurk and come up with a fake claim?
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