Mini 1044: Lie to Me Mafia - Game Over

[Tasky]

Nachomamma8, shoot Taz. do it.

This isn't helping me not think you're scum, just for the record.

[Nachomamma8]

Who are you planning to kill?

Probably no one. At this point in the game, I'd be taking a random shot, which is something that I will not be wasting my day-vig on.

so you wasted people's time and distracted from scum hunting to answer your questions?

No. I asked questions that I believe would help me get a better read on people so I could make an accurate shot, but my life got extremely busy after I did this, and thus the plan really didn't work.

[Nachomamma8]

Nachomamma8, shoot Taz. do it.
little question
will the three days of extension be added to the current deadline or will there be three days starting from your shot?
in the first case you should kill right now, it would give us more time later, once we know whether Taz was scum or not.
in the second case, you should tell us right now, and then shoot Taz directly before deadline.

Three days are added to the current deadline.

Okay. Say I shoot Taz right now, he flips town. Who's your top suspect? Who do you have to go after? I'm not going to waste my shot on someone who's going to be lynched anyways so we can make a sloppy deadline lynch.

[Robbnva]

I say Jim is definitely one of the top list of suspects also along with you if you are lying about the day kill.

I just saw someone fake day kill and if you are doing it here I will FOS you hard time.

if you are telling the truth than that is cool but right now until it actually happens, I am going to be skeptical.

[Shepherd_of_Wolves]

Tasky is my second suspect!

[Robbnva]

Tasky is my second suspect!

while I originally thought that, I think it is just too obvious that both of them are scum, taz did more of the buddying and playing up to tasky than the other way around so the obvious choice is taz is scum and tasky is probably not

[Shepherd_of_Wolves]

Kill jimfinn or zerofang if they do not make their alignment claim. We should not allow them get away without it. I would include maddie, but She just needs to be replaced.

Jimfinn and zerofang, why have you not made your alignment claim? One of you will die for that neglect if I have anything to do with it.

[ZeroFang]

Antihero's basically been making weak cases and expecting votes for the entirety of the game. He hasn't done that much scum hunting, and his contributions are quite hard to fine without an ISO.

CMAR is basically lurking like I was. When he came back, he did a couple ISOs, and didn't comment on any of them except to state his read. Then he voted me without explanation.

Espeonage hasn't done anything in two pages of posts, and he hasn't posted in ~3 days.

jimfinn's been lurking up a storm.

Maddie posted twice. First to confirm, than to promise a post.

Nacho claimed one shot day kill, and then asked a bunch of individual questions. While they stimulated some conversation, he hasn't done much else.

Ghostrider never posted, and his replacement, Narsis, has done nothing.

Robbnva's helped with the Taz case. That's pretty much it.

SoW has three pages packed with content. It's unfortunate that he's nearly the only player with substantial enough content to really comment on, which I will definetely do in a post following this one. I don't believe his case for Taz is all that strong, though he's certainly contributed to the thread.

Tasky. My first vote on him was very weak, intended both to get reactions and to investigate the first semi-scummy action in the game. His ISO #11 was absolutely dreadful. He suggested we day kill a player who at the time (and even now) hadn't done much, and then tried to absolve himself of any responsibility. He's my first scum pick.

Taz has made frequent use of bad logic, and has tried to get the largest contributer in this thread lynched for suspecting him. I've been in one game with him before. He acted sort of like this, and he flipped scum. He's my second scum pick currently.

I myself don't have any useful content thus far (except maybe this post).

TL;DR and conclusions: Scumhunting in this game is very difficult due to the number of lurkers and people not contributing. Essentially, we have three people who've even done anything to influence the game. Two are scummy, one's a mafia veteran. I'm guilty of this too, but really, more contributions would be nice. We can't go on forever tunneling the 2 out of 3 people who are actually playing the game.

[ZeroFang]

I am aligned with the town.

[Robbnva]

I'll move my vote back to tazaro but until the claim

vote jim

he is fitting into my ideas of how some mafia act on day one anyway

[Shepherd_of_Wolves]

I need to ISO players. My strongest case is TAZ. After that it is not as strong. So, I think jimfinn should die for neglecting alignment claim.

[jimfinn]

I am aligned with the town.

[jimfinn]

Didn't realize I hadn't done it yet, sorry - could've sworn I had

[Robbnva]

unvote, vote tazaro

staying true to my word

[Shepherd_of_Wolves]

So, Antihero at this point is still my third suspect. So, I go TAZ, tasky, & antihero.

[Antihero]

*sigh* /facepalm

What about my cases is weak? Is it that they aren't reaaaaaalllllyyyyyyyy, reallllllllyyyyyyyyy looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong?

Length =/= Strength

Also, I challenge you to find a more reliable scumtell than fencesitting.

[Tasky]

Tasky. My first vote on him was very weak, intended both to get reactions and to investigate the first semi-scummy action in the game. His ISO #11 was absolutely dreadful. He suggested we day kill a player who at the time (and even now) hadn't done much, and then tried to absolve himself of any responsibility. He's my first scum pick.

ok... now you tell me what's so dreadful about that post.
then you tell me how suggesting a vig kill is scummy. as I already said, Tazaro has such a scummy meta that it is impossible for me to get a read on him. on the other side he I really don't want him around later, for said scummyness and because he isn't able to contribute decently. this is the reason why I want him vigged. If there really is a one shot day vig, then he won't really find a better target later. Since he will likely be confirmed town as soon as he shoots, the mafia isn't going to keep him around very long. it would be a shame to miss the opportunity to vig Taz. I see it as a general rule that players who have really scummy meta and can't be read because of it shall be vigged instead.
and then you tell me where I "tried to absolve [myself] of any responsibility".

[Shepherd_of_Wolves]

So, now everyone has claimed town alignment. I have a few questions.

1) are you lying when you claim town? We know at least two of you are, and maybe even Three.
2) Do you know who is lying? We know that you scum know your partners.
3) Do you know who is telling the truth?
4) Why did you claim town alignment?
5) Are you just following suite to claim as "town" because tasky told you to claim as town, and you did for the sole purpose of fulfilling his request?
6) Who are your confirmed townies, and WHY?

[Antihero]

Maddie, Antihero, and ZeroFang are all town.

[Antihero]

jimfinn, GhostWriter, and Nachomamma8 are all town.

[Antihero]

Robbnva, Shepherd_of_Wolves, and Espeonage are all town.

[Antihero]

CryMeARiver, Tazaro, and Tasky are all town.

[Stef]

Fourth votecount of D1:

ZeroFang(2) - CryMeARiver, Tazaro
Tazaro(3) - Robbnva, Shepherd_of_Wolves, Narsis
jimfinn(1) - Antihero
Shepherd_of_Wolves(1) - Tasky
Espeonage(1) - Nachomamma8
Tasky(2) -ZeroFang, jimfinn

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is on September 19'th

Started looking for replacement for Maddie
Prodding: Espeonage

SOW, I explained that I am extremely packed in this period. Your continuous criticizing of my modding in the game thread is unacceptable. Any problem you have with me you take up with me or the list mod in private. Continuing this will not be accepted.

[Robbnva]

Tasky. My first vote on him was very weak, intended both to get reactions and to investigate the first semi-scummy action in the game. His ISO #11 was absolutely dreadful. He suggested we day kill a player who at the time (and even now) hadn't done much, and then tried to absolve himself of any responsibility. He's my first scum pick.

ok... now you tell me what's so dreadful about that post. -
then you tell me how suggesting a vig kill is scummy. as I already said, Tazaro has such a scummy meta that it is impossible for me to get a read on him. on the other side he I really don't want him around later, for said scummyness and because he isn't able to contribute decently. this is the reason why I want him vigged. If there really is a one shot day vig, then he won't really find a better target later. Since he will likely be confirmed town as soon as he shoots, the mafia isn't going to keep him around very long. it would be a shame to miss the opportunity to vig Taz. I see it as a general rule that players who have really scummy meta and can't be read because of it shall be vigged instead.
and then you tell me where I "tried to absolve [myself] of any responsibility".

ok... now you tell me what's so dreadful about that post. - your argument about my vote really did not make sense

then you tell me how suggesting a vig kill is scummy. - what if he kills the wrong person like cop or worse the doc, that is basically what you want him to gamble with

also declaring me scummy with no reason is actually scummy. you still have not provided a valid reason why you think I am scum.

[Narsis]

So, now everyone has claimed town alignment. I have a few questions.

1) are you lying when you claim town? We know at least two of you are, and maybe even Three.

i wasn't lying when i claimed town.

2) Do you know who is lying? We know that you scum know your partners.

no

3) Do you know who is telling the truth?

no

4) Why did you claim town alignment?

because i am town aligned.

5) Are you just following suite to claim as "town" because tasky told you to claim as town, and you did for the sole purpose of fulfilling his request?

no i did it so that if there is a lie detector role and it decides to want to check me, it can, and can do so to the fullness of it's ability.

6) Who are your confirmed townies, and WHY?

at this point in the game, no one is a confirmed town

also will you answer these questions yourself SoW?