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Post Post #75 (ISO) » Wed Sep 15, 2010 12:51 am

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Dickov wrote:On Day 1 itself, what information can
truely
be gathered about your surrounding players? Only speculative guessing at best.

I'm not a fan for Day 1 Lynching because it's bad for town to me. We're already gonna get raped by the mafia it doesn't help if we rape our own on such inconclusive evidence.

I'm not a fan of Day 1 Lynching because of the gaming aspect of it as well. I can imagine other fellow new players in this game, after waiting for 3-5 days to get into their first game, they die by day 1 lynch. It's heartbreaking, regardless of whether one is mafia or not.

Yes, I know, I've read the wiki and expect to be told off for being a mafiosi as
it's a mafia tell to vote for no lynch on day 1 bla bla bla
. Pardon the OMGUS voting because that's all I have in my arsenal of defence there is just no plausible way I can actually make a calculated and logical vote on who I think is mafia at this phase of the game.

That being said, inb4youtalktoomuchyoumustbenervousthereforemafia
and inb4onlythemafiavotenolynchday1 or inb4youremafiacauseyouravatarsaysmafia
Mafia is a game of uninformed majority vs informed minority. The only way to win Mafia (well best..) is for town to become informed.

Just because we are voting someone now, does not necessary mean they will be the one lynched at the end of the day. Voting is a means to encourage discussion. Discussion is where knowledge can be gained, and decisions made.

When someone is lynched, regardless of alignment more information is gained. Like, who pushed for his lynch, scum want to mislynch and will push for it.
If there are PR's in the game, it helps them make up their minds about who to protect, who to investigate.
And lynching is the only way to win the game for the town and only way to eliminate mafia.

Mafia is a game. Win some lose some. Dying day one is a very realistic outcome for everyone. Simply sign up to another game and wait a few days for a new game to start. Get used to it.
Sure noone knows for certain who is scum (unless you are scum ofc), that is the joy in this game. Go with your gut, bamboozle your brain.

You can make a logical vote as to who you think are scum. Who do you think is the scummiest player atm?
Vote for them, listing reasons why. Pressure them for more information. If it is valid, other townies will support you. Look for connections between players.
Use that information to validate your original suspicions. That's the only way it can be done.

Stop feeling sorry for yourself and go do some scum hunting.

... @ the last bit.
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Post Post #76 (ISO) » Wed Sep 15, 2010 12:56 am

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Thanx, it made my mind clear.
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Post Post #77 (ISO) » Wed Sep 15, 2010 1:21 am

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I really don't like the interactions between raymond and bhavit.
Bhavit seems like he has a personal agenda with his attempts to rolefish.
Raymond seems like he is rather nervous that he is getting negative attention.
Quite possibly that maybe one of the scum is in that pair, maybe in both.

Rolefishing is bad. Also leads that you have some knowledge of other roles in the game, quite possibly meaning you could be scum as they have access to that information due to the setup.
raymondkurayami wrote:Just to confirm, is this a multi-setup map?

I reken bhavit is just fosing everyone and seeing their responses.
SCUMSLIP??!?!?
How is that a scumslip?
The setup is F11. One random set up is chosen out of 4 possible ones. Therefore there aren't any safe claims for scum, and town don't know what, if any PR's they have. We don't know what set up is chosen.
Seeing their responses isn't necessarily a bad thing Good to get an understanding of how everyone else plays.
It is a scum slip because he was referring to someone on the scum team doing that action. You said you wouldn't be dumb enough to, implying you are on the scum team.
raymondkurayami wrote:I'm not mafia T.T . Stop tunneling me cause its getting annoying.
Is koreanwonderboy lurking? From previous experience, that may seem like a scumtell but may not be one.
But then again, this is a noob game so I have a small FOS on him.
And also, Silverbullet has not said anything after his vote. I will not unvote him.
It quite possible that people haven't actually checked the thread. Not everyone lives in the oceanic timezone. Trying to divert attention away from himself with an illegitimate reason = Bad.
There are plenty of other people who haven't posted much since the game started. Why are you choosing to focus on him?
Getting annoyed at being accused of being scum. BAD. We don't know you aren't mafia, and you failing and getting nervous under pressure just shows you have something to lose.
Pathetic reason for keeping your vote on silverbullet. Vote for someone who you think is scummy. The pressure has it's power and it is the only power you have if you are a VT.

As an example, I am happy to keep my vote on you for now, for the reasons listed above.
bhavitgoyal wrote:Ok Im going to stop but MY VOTE REMAINS ON YOU RAYMOND.
BAD. If you think someone is scum keep pressuring them to confirm your suspicions. Force more discussion out of them. It makes the whole petty argument from before look like a set up.
This helps confirm my suspicions about a possible scum team between you two.

Bhavit doesn't even notice the scum slip when he responds in #58 until i point it out. The slip was obvious as soon as I read it. Convenient no?

Let's remember that only a few people have posted discussion. It could be quite possible that one/both scum have not even contributed to this discussion tonight. Keep your minds open fellow townies. This leads directly to this question I have been meaning to ask, and the second question follows accordingly.
1. Lynch all lurkers?
2. Lynch all liars?


OT: I was going to say I like your new avatar (the one with the baby) bhavit, but you seem to have changed your avatar multiple times.
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Post Post #78 (ISO) » Wed Sep 15, 2010 1:23 am

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Actually where did you get the baby avatar. I want it for myself.
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Post Post #79 (ISO) » Wed Sep 15, 2010 1:55 am

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Oh thanx for the compliment. I just couldnt set on one avatar. Its the avatarist.com

Many cool avatars there.
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Post Post #80 (ISO) » Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:23 am

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Nice avatar Enigma.

Hint hint: You can change your avatar again bhavit :P
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Post Post #81 (ISO) » Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:45 am

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Enigma wrote:
FoS: Shadow Dancer

For fingering Dickov and not having the balls to put him at L-1 because he is afraid it might label him as scum.

And for spelling his name wrong too.
Don't you think I would know how to spell his name if we were scum partners?!

And I said clearly that I am willing to vote. But the skyrocketing silver waggon makes me think that people in this game might be both a bit too trigger happy and a bit too thoughtless. Why risk an accidental quicklynch by some one who might just be an overstrained newb? That would be just horribly bad.
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Post Post #82 (ISO) » Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:47 am

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raymondkurayami wrote:I ask you, would I really be that stupid to do that?
Look! I am too scummy to be scum.
Argument not exepted due to WIFOM alarm going off.
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Post Post #83 (ISO) » Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:53 am

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Dickov wrote:Also, Finger of Suspicion to Bhavit as well for hijacking the moral high ground and forcing people to defend themselves. You are fingered dude.
FoSing some one for ... what?!
It is called
scum hunting
, dude!
Makes me wonder why you obviously do not want to defend yourself. Maybe because you are scum, made a major slip and now do not know
how
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Post Post #84 (ISO) » Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:55 am

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Shadow Dancer wrote:
raymondkurayami wrote:I ask you, would I really be that stupid to do that?
Look! I am too scummy to be scum.
Argument not exepted due to WIFOM alarm going off.
Hey! I couldnt understand what you are trying to say. Please explain. :neutral:
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Post Post #85 (ISO) » Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:56 am

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Dickov wrote:[...]I will
unvote
but expect an OMGUS for whoever votes for me.[...]
Damn, I almost read over that. More interested in discuraging people from voting you then actually using your vote to find or pressure scum?
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Post Post #86 (ISO) » Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:59 am

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bhavit wrote:Hey! I couldnt understand what you are trying to say. Please explain. :neutral:
Read this.
Or maybe it is because I wrote "exepted" (whatever stupid shit that could mean :P) when I meant "accepted" :shifty:
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Post Post #87 (ISO) » Wed Sep 15, 2010 3:03 am

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Being scum partners does not necessary mean you know how to spell your partner's name....

You said you were willing to vote. You still haven't committed to voting him. And hes not even close to L-1 now.
Yet you maintain your vote on me without reasons.

Votes are the strongest powers townies have. If you think he is scummy, use it on him. Else explain with reasons why you find me scummy.
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Post Post #88 (ISO) » Wed Sep 15, 2010 3:03 am

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KoreanWonderBoy is online for quiet a long time now. He has not posted after comfirming.
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Post Post #89 (ISO) » Wed Sep 15, 2010 3:04 am

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http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=WIFOM
Since Shadow fails at linking urls.
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Post Post #90 (ISO) » Wed Sep 15, 2010 3:04 am

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Dickov wrote:On Day 1 itself, what information can
truely
be gathered about your surrounding players? Only speculative guessing at best.

I'm not a fan for Day 1 Lynching because it's bad for town to me. We're already gonna get raped by the mafia it doesn't help if we rape our own on such inconclusive evidence.

I'm not a fan of Day 1 Lynching because of the gaming aspect of it as well. I can imagine other fellow new players in this game, after waiting for 3-5 days to get into their first game, they die by day 1 lynch. It's heartbreaking, regardless of whether one is mafia or not.

Yes, I know, I've read the wiki and expect to be told off for being a mafiosi as
it's a mafia tell to vote for no lynch on day 1 bla bla bla
. Pardon the OMGUS voting because that's all I have in my arsenal of defence there is just no plausible way I can actually make a calculated and logical vote on who I think is mafia at this phase of the game.

That being said, inb4youtalktoomuchyoumustbenervousthereforemafia
and inb4onlythemafiavotenolynchday1 or inb4youremafiacauseyouravatarsaysmafia
Well... That makes me more to wanna lynch you. If you are not scum you at least admit being useless. If it is all speculative guessing, why not blindly speculate that it is... you?

In other words: Do not make self destructing arguments.
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Post Post #91 (ISO) » Wed Sep 15, 2010 3:04 am

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Wow, this game's active...
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Post Post #92 (ISO) » Wed Sep 15, 2010 3:07 am

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Enigma wrote:Being scum partners does not necessary mean you know how to spell your partner's name....

You said you were willing to vote. You still haven't committed to voting him. And hes not even close to L-1 now.
Yet you maintain your vote on me without reasons.

Votes are the strongest powers townies have. If you think he is scummy, use it on him. Else explain with reasons why you find me scummy.
I haven't even caught up so far... I won't change my vote as long as I am not up to date... Just wait for half an hour or so...
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Post Post #93 (ISO) » Wed Sep 15, 2010 3:07 am

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bhavitgoyal wrote:KoreanWonderBoy is online for quiet a long time now. He has not posted after comfirming.
Stop trying to divert attention away from yourself. Why are you so interested in him? What about everyone else who has yet to post much???

He has not been online since
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Current Time: Wed Sep 15, 2010 11:40 pm
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Post Post #94 (ISO) » Wed Sep 15, 2010 3:10 am

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I think I saw his name in the online users.
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Post Post #95 (ISO) » Wed Sep 15, 2010 3:10 am

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@Shadow Dancer.
Remember this is a newbie game. As an IC, take to time to explain concepts to some players who might genuinely seem like they don't understand the concept before destroying them for being scummy.
I'm trying to give them all the benefit of the doubt if they seem clueless before I attack their arguments.
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Post Post #96 (ISO) » Wed Sep 15, 2010 3:11 am

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Accusing people of lurking just because you managed to fill two pages without their participation is lame at best. Pure diversion, IMO.
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Post Post #97 (ISO) » Wed Sep 15, 2010 3:13 am

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But you did that already. No need to go into detail again.
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Post Post #98 (ISO) » Wed Sep 15, 2010 3:13 am

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I have a question for everybody

How would you react if you were at a L-1 situation
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Post Post #99 (ISO) » Wed Sep 15, 2010 3:16 am

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bhavitgoyal wrote:I have a question for everybody

How would you react if you were at a L-1 situation
Stupid question. Stop trying to rolefish.

It's dependant on many variables,
How you got there?
Are you a town PR?
Are you scum?
Is someone willing to hammer?
etc etc

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