Mini 1044: Lie to Me Mafia - Game Over

[Robbnva]

Why does "playing the game" involve mass tunneling?

I'm asking again, could someone

please

read jimfinn (a few pages ago) and tell me how it's not scummy.

When I get time I'll check out your case on him but I'd like you to comment on my case about tazaro

[Shepherd_of_Wolves]

I did not ask you to tunnel! I asked who is better to lynch than TAZARO. I have tunneled him, as you would say, because he is scum. And, he deserves to get the axe. When you have enough evidence, there comes a point when you have to act on that. We have great evidence to lynch him.

But, would you say you are not tunneling on jimfinn? What do you call your focus on him??

[Antihero]

I did not ask you to tunnel! I asked who is better to lynch than TAZARO. I have tunneled him, as you would say, because he is scum. And, he deserves to get the axe. When you have enough evidence, there comes a point when you have to act on that. We have great evidence to lynch him.

But, would you say you are not tunneling on jimfinn? What do you call your focus on him??

I'm fine with you tunneling.

I'm just wondering why everyone else is too.

[Robbnva]

I did not ask you to tunnel! I asked who is better to lynch than TAZARO. I have tunneled him, as you would say, because he is scum. And, he deserves to get the axe. When you have enough evidence, there comes a point when you have to act on that. We have great evidence to lynch him.

But, would you say you are not tunneling on jimfinn? What do you call your focus on him??

I'm fine with you tunneling.

I'm just wondering why everyone else is too.

who else is tunneling him? I made my case against him but would not call it tunnling

nobody else is even talking about him

[Narsis]

tbh i'm kinda waiting for Tazaro to actually attempt to defend himself/make a case. still not seeing it. so instead i think i'll be a bit more proactive...

VOTE: Tazaro

[Tazaro]

What case is there to make? Shepherd's tunneling on me is a heavily-spotlighted brain tumor that is paralyzing others' from acting in an organic way.

[Antihero]

I did not ask you to tunnel! I asked who is better to lynch than TAZARO. I have tunneled him, as you would say, because he is scum. And, he deserves to get the axe. When you have enough evidence, there comes a point when you have to act on that. We have great evidence to lynch him.

But, would you say you are not tunneling on jimfinn? What do you call your focus on him??

I'm fine with you tunneling.

I'm just wondering why everyone else is too.

who else is tunneling him? I made my case against him but would not call it tunnling

nobody else is even talking about him

Hm, you're right.

Most of the space is taken up by you, SoW, Tasky, and Taz attacking/defending. I concluded that others were more active than they were.

Still, I don't like how jim and Narsis are slipping through the cracks.

tbh i'm kinda waiting for Tazaro to actually attempt to defend himself/make a case. still not seeing it. so instead i think i'll be a bit more proactive...

VOTE: Tazaro

Defend himself from what? What did he do originally that's scummy to you, and why didn't you mention it before? Anyone else besides Taz?

Preview edit: Taz's analogy is accurate.

[jimfinn]

The argument between SoW and

Trinidad and Tobago

Tasky and Tazaro makes me think that at least one of the three is scum, but I'm waiting for more exchange of rhetoric before I feel confident as to which of them.

[Robbnva]

What case is there to make? Shepherd's tunneling on me is a heavily-spotlighted brain tumor that is paralyzing others' from acting in an organic way.

you seem to have totally missed (or ignored) my entire case on you

[Tazaro]

What case is there to make? Shepherd's tunneling on me is a heavily-spotlighted brain tumor that is paralyzing others' from acting in an organic way.

you seem to have totally missed (or ignored) my entire case on you

That's right .

[Shepherd_of_Wolves]

jimfin and Narsis you need to speak up more. This is ridiculous that you would say so little and than hide behind town. Make your points. I asked several questions that I want answered by you both.

I quote post #194 from me

Everyone else

I think we should not be too hasty to lynch too soon before deadline. But, I want to hear everyones opinion.
(1) Why should we not lynch Tazaro for Day 1?
(2) Who should be lynched instead, and WHY?
(3) What do you think about TAZARO being so insistent that I needed to be pressured UNVOTE Tasky? See post #104.
(4) What do you think about the fact that TAZARO has not changed his vote, nor laid down a case against me, nor attempted to pursue other players with questions or charges?

[Shepherd_of_Wolves]

That goes for everyone that is hiding, neglecting to post. Do not just post your useless posts and think it is sufficient.

[Tazaro]

Maybe SoW is just really aggressive??

Unvote

Let's end the brain tumor perhaps??

[Tazaro]

Unvote

Wow, brain tumor's a great analogy.

[Antihero]

The argument between SoW and

Trinidad and Tobago

Tasky and Tazaro makes me think that at least one of the three is scum

notice he doesn't say why

, but

I'm waiting for more exchange of rhetoric

Does anyone else feel that this phrase is very suspect?

before I feel confident as to which of them.

Again, no real opinions. Just a vague fencesit (he's allowing himself to jump on the most popular wagon later).

More jim votes, please.

[Tazaro]

My vote needs a jimfinn to keep it warm

Vote: jimfinn

[Narsis]

jimfin and Narsis you need to speak up more. This is ridiculous that you would say so little and than hide behind town. Make your points. I asked several questions that I want answered by you both.

I quote post #194 from me

Everyone else

I think we should not be too hasty to lynch too soon before deadline. But, I want to hear everyones opinion.
(1) Why should we not lynch Tazaro for Day 1?
(2) Who should be lynched instead, and WHY?
(3) What do you think about TAZARO being so insistent that I needed to be pressured UNVOTE Tasky? See post #104.
(4) What do you think about the fact that TAZARO has not changed his vote, nor laid down a case against me, nor attempted to pursue other players with questions or charges?

i did answer those: #199

@Tazaro: perhaps SoW is tunneling on you, but you have only addressed the points he and others have been making against you by brushing them off as nothing. perhaps you could explain why they are worthless and not even worth taking your time to explain.

[Stef]

sorry for disappearing. Moved to a new country so it's quite an undertaking. Will be doing a votecount later on and address anything that needs to be addressed then.

[Shepherd_of_Wolves]

Narsis, I apologize. I did not reevaluate who answered the questions. Only you and Antihero answered them. I knew it was only 2 or 3 people. Thanks for directing to them. I just feel that several people, almost half the game is saying nothing to pointless stuff.

And you have not posted much. And, you content has been little. So, I thought I would encourage a direction for discussion. Thanks for your response. I hope that you continue to play forward.

[Robbnva]

Oh, and did anyone actually look at this post?

1. I can at times be a more gut than logic player, but it is hard to convince other players to follow a gut read. I prefer having a kill so that I can act on my gut reads.
2. I don't particularly like his posts or his reasons, but they have a more "bad-town-play" than "scum-play" feel to them.
3. You shouldn't. It's far too early for a shot or a lynch. No one has much of a strong read yet.
4A. Clarification: we learn more about people other than the person the wagon is on from the wagon, in my experience. I say that if in a 12 player game, players A,B,C, and D wagon player E and players G and J defend him, we learn far more about A,B,C,D,G, and J than we do about E.
4B. A player with a wagon being formed on him (assuming some logical explanation for the votes) ought to explain his intention in the posts for which he is being wagoned. He should also continue to scumhunt as normal. He should only claim at L-1, claim truthfully, and (if and only if it is Day 1) encourage the town to lynch him if he is a VT (though he should not self-hammer - town should pretty much never self-hammer except in extraordinary circumstances). I refer to this as Hohum's Theory (after the player who explained it to me). Basically, it says that if there are 12 players in the game lettered A through J and there are exactly three scum (call them A,B,C) and three PRs(D,E,F) and six VTs (G-J) and G claims VT on D1 at L-1; the town chooses to lynch another player who happens to also flip VT. Now the scum have a 3/7 chance of hitting a PR with the NK. If they had lynched G, the scum would only have a 3/8 chance of hitting a PR.

Notice that this post is padded with theory and contains almost no opinions about what is going on in this particular game.

Oh, and nothing about why his vote went to (and is still on) Tasky. Reminder: At the time, it was the 5th vote on the wagon.



Preview edit: I don't see jim's Tasky vote on the votecount, though I don't see where jim removed it.

Mod: Is the vote count correct?

I was asked a series of largely theory-based questions, so I gave theory-based answers.

Reading this back, while I agree with the theory of lynch VT on day 1

you were not asked theory based questions. You were asked questions for your own opinion

when asked what do you consider a pro town reaction, you went on and typed a bunch of theory instead of answering the question. These words were unnecessary and the theory you posted was not asked for by anyone

[Narsis]

Narsis, I apologize. I did not reevaluate who answered the questions. Only you and Antihero answered them. I knew it was only 2 or 3 people. Thanks for directing to them. I just feel that several people, almost half the game is saying nothing to pointless stuff.

And you have not posted much. And, you content has been little. So, I thought I would encourage a direction for discussion. Thanks for your response. I hope that you continue to play forward.

yeah i know i havent been posting much. i tend not to unless the discussion involves me or i see something important that no one has brought up yet.

[Robbnva]

The fact that tazaro admitted to ignoring my case is even more reason to me he is scum

[CryMeARiver]

Decisions after a few ISO's: Taz is town, SoW is leaning town, Tasky is null, Zero is leaning scum, where is Espe? Does Maddie even exist?
VOTE: Zero

[Tazaro]

Seriously, my jimmfin vote was a joke post.
Seriously, ZeroFang was one of my scum picks; I agree with CryMeARicer and second this motion:

Unvote

Vote: ZeroFang

[Robbnva]

Decisions after a few ISO's: Taz is town, SoW is leaning town, Tasky is null, Zero is leaning scum, where is Espe? Does Maddie even exist?
VOTE: Zero

You are joking about taz right? My case on him is pretty good and nobody, not even taz has tried to tell me I'm wrong