Newbie 1012 - Game over

[bhavitgoyal]

Hello people nice to meet you all!

[bhavitgoyal]

/COMFIRM

[bhavitgoyal]

Just 1 more and the game begins.

[bhavitgoyal]

Hey what's your timezone?

[bhavitgoyal]

Ok Mine is +5:30 , India

[bhavitgoyal]

1. GMT +5
2. I have played slasher on teennick.com, otherwise I have no experience. I have read a lot of games here on this forum and found them pretty interesting.
3. On slasher I always enjoyed being a slasher.

[bhavitgoyal]

and please everybody call me Bhavit

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Hey Dickov you should get an avatar.

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Vote:Raymondkurayami

Somethings fishy about him.

[bhavitgoyal]

Unvote

Vote:Dickov

[bhavitgoyal]

Putting someone at L-1 is a suspicious move :O

[bhavitgoyal]

Unvote

VOTE: Bhavitgoyal
For being unoriginal and using my reason to bandwagon.

Hey! two people with the same opinion is a common thing. And I was always suspicious about Dickov and Raymond.

[bhavitgoyal]

Unvote

Vote Enigma

for

Oh My God You Sucking

.

I understand the general concept of scumhunting and trying to provoke people into giving too much away but seriously, I only put an OMGUS vote and I'm heralded as Don Dickov.

Woop de doo.

Have you realised that your this move could have made someone lynched.

[bhavitgoyal]

I Have my eyes on you ENIGMA

You are behaving scummy. Changing your vote after a very short period

[bhavitgoyal]

Have you realised that your this move could have made someone lynched.

That would have actually required someone willing to hammer him. Lynching is a team effort. Everyone contributes to it, not just one person.
Do you think someone would be willing to hammer already?

No, I meant a mafia may have done it and then made an excuse. And L-1 is always a bad position anyways.

[bhavitgoyal]

One never knows in mafia.

[bhavitgoyal]

Also, Finger of Suspicion to Bhavit as well for hijacking the moral high ground and forcing people to defend themselves. You are fingered dude.

Making people defend themselves is a good move. They may do something scummy to defend themselves.

[bhavitgoyal]

Nice point Enigma

[bhavitgoyal]

Unvote
Vote:Raymond

I was always suspicious about you and now this makes me even more clearer

[bhavitgoyal]

Hey Raymond, I have a question for you.

Who's your scum partner

[bhavitgoyal]

So is it a Mafia Roleblocker?

[bhavitgoyal]

You would know that one is mafia because you are a mafia yourself.

[bhavitgoyal]

Ok Im going to stop but MY VOTE REMAINS ON YOU RAYMOND.

[bhavitgoyal]

Thanx, it made my mind clear.

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Oh thanx for the compliment. I just couldnt set on one avatar. Its the avatarist.com

Many cool avatars there.

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I ask you, would I really be that stupid to do that?

Look! I am too scummy to be scum.
Argument not exepted due to WIFOM alarm going off.

Hey! I couldnt understand what you are trying to say. Please explain.

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KoreanWonderBoy is online for quiet a long time now. He has not posted after comfirming.

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I think I saw his name in the online users.

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I have a question for everybody

How would you react if you were at a L-1 situation

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2. Lynch all lurkers?

Dont have any experience about this. But I think lurkers are more likely to be scums.

2. Lynch all liars?

The one who lies is always a scum. So definitely.

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I am not sure whether KoreanBoy is scum or not, not much evidence against him.

I diverted attention towards him because I thought he is online and did not post anything.

[bhavitgoyal]

Good to see you.

[bhavitgoyal]

I have a question for everybody

How would you react if you were at a L-1 situation

What point do you have in asking this question??? Are you a townie trying to rolefish or are you a mafia trying to throw suspicions on others when they give a strange answer to the question? Why don't you answer the question?

That's a little suspicious but then it could also be a newbie thing. I still GMEOY.

I just wanted to see how people usually react in this type of situation. I cant answer because I have never been in this situation before. I have never played anykind of mafia before except slasher and that also two years ago.

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Let me ask you guys, how much real evidence is there against me? Or is it just assumptions. I know this game is based of fos' but picking me is just bad.

No eal evidence can ever be found in this game. All you could find is little mistakes. And you have done one already. We have a strong evidence only against you. So theres a chance for you to be a mafia.

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Well, if you lynch me, then its your loss, which makes it easier for the Mafia to win. I don't want to lose on my first game. I suggest we discuss this day for as long as needed to get a confirmed scum. Sorry for my short posts, I am on my phone.

Yeah we should discuss this day as along as we find some hardcore evidence against someone.

[bhavitgoyal]

Dickov, firstly My name is BhavitGoyal not BhavitGhoyal.

I too was involved in silverbullet999's wagon but I had a justifiable reason (by my standards at least) to vote for him.

You say that you had a justifiable reason to vote SilverBullet but I dont think That OMGUS is a good reason to vote someone. And when people were voting SilverBullet, it was just a RVS but you voted him and brought him to L-1 too early in the game.

Couple that with the fact that you've changed your vote many times; from Silverbullet to me to BhavitGhoyal and to RaymondKurayami and now Raymond is one vote closer to L-1. It may look like you're genuinely part of the uninformed majority easily slapping your vote on people's faces to draw more information or it could be a facade for you to contribute to a mislynch that mafia would so desire in the guise of "gathering information

In fact. I also find this act suspicious. Enigma may be a second mafia.

You said "Waggoning an SE seems like a good idea" but there are two SE's in this game why did you choose Silverbullet over Enigma? Co-incidentally, Raymond myself and more importantly Enigma (as well) voted for Silverbullet on your wagon, convenient correlation or mere coincidence?

This only points the finger on you Dickov as you were the last one to vote on SB. Blaming others for your own mistake is a bit scummy.

Maybe it didn't cross your mind but I've observed that you have wagoned in this game and more importantly, twice you've wagonned off Enigma. Firstly you voted for me shortly after he did and after Enigma posted his suspicions about Raymond and his "scumslip" you quickly jumped ship too. It's insufficient to launch a concrete scumhunt against you but consider yourself fingered for a more solid reason this time.

It was a mere coincidence. I voted for you earlier but he posted it earlier.
And about the Raymond incident, it was foolish of me not to notice the obvious scumslip. Maybe I need to be careful with these statements next time.

That and the fact that you're a new player who behaves like an SE or IC. You've also conveniently managed to deflect attention onto your fellow new players whenever you come into the line of fire of questioning.

Oh! so you think I am behaving like an IC or SE, Thanks then. And I am not trying to divert attention towards my fellow newbie players. Whenever I come in the line of questioning, I have to prove myself and That I always do.

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I'm a beginner but even a beginner could realize that this statement automatically refers to his earlier scumslip which you claimed to have overlooked in your last post to me. Can you care to explain the contradiction in terms?

I posted this post long after I realised that there was scumslip. So I believe there's no contradiction.

You have OKed my suspicions of Enigma which makes wonder why you earlier OKed his vote against me. It seems that whenever someone becomes vocal in this game, you are always in the shadow of their aggression... that is... until the aggression is directed against you.

You should see post #54 where I said about my doubt on Enigma.

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So right now, you find yourself in a comfortable position as scum (or maybe townsfolk). No votes against you as both me and Raymond have been identified as threats or maybe just lynchalicious and you come from your position with a feeble novice attempt at rolefinding and trying to gather very general information. The caution you have applied to what has said so far

id est

agreeing with whoever is the voice of the moment, hijacking the moral high ground, the constant scapegoating of lurkers and newbies and maybe just your darned good position (as mafia) has increased your

finger

to a

hand

.

Right now I cant say whether I am in a comfortable position or not. Not being voted definately makes me comfortable but being fingered so many times makes me uncomfortable.

Can I ask why arent you voting me if you really feel I m a mafia

[bhavitgoyal]

I noticed it way back in post#60 where Enigma mentioned it, so where the doubt

Dickov

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The mere coincidence I am using for is to voting you not Raymond

When Enigma talked about the scumslip, I noticed it and then came to know about the scumslip. From then on I am clear that it is a scumslip.

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I'm thinking, would the mafia take the risk to lurk? It could be a kind of WIFOM on their part. So who are the lurkers?.

Lollero, two posts, answering the 3 questions and confirming.

KoreanWonderBoy, with 4 posts, with the 3rd post saying he wont be able to post for a while, but not explain why until his 4th post.

Silverbullet999, with 4 posts, kind of active lurking, not providing helpful information to the town.

3 lurkers 2 maf. What are the chances of one of the lurkers being mafia?

That is a very nice point but we cant accuse them of lurking just yet. But still I think there are high chances of one being a mafia or even two. I would like to see Lollero post because he hasnt posted after the game began that is a really bad thing for town. If he does not post today, he should be sent a prod.

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I noticed the wolf straight away but I don't buy it.

Firstly, during the random voting stage, it's the tendency for players to try and weaken the justification for their voting as much as they can in order to reduce the level of attention on them. If it looks like they have an agenda on other players, people might question them instead.

Take for instance, Silver justified his vote by highlighting the male anatomy in my user name.
Nameloc's initial vote was because of a small avatar.
Enigma's initial vote concerned a ludicrous improbability.
My vote was OMGUS (although it immediately l-1ed him)

Dont blame him, he also gave a reason for being the other lunar wolf of the game. And then you three jumped in voting Silver

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To myself, it didn't really look like a scumslip so I wasn't afraid to speak my mind. If I was mafia, I would have definitely not said that. I would have thought over a few times before I said that if I was mafia, as it would make me look as though I am now. I have had a little past experience in mafia, so I'm not 100% noob.

Instead of using

Would I really be that stupid to do that?

you could have used

Would anybody be that stupid to do that?

It makes more sense, doesnt it. Still it could be a newbie mistake. But remember

I have still got my vote on you.

and I am not going to change it until I find someone else more suspicious or You prove yourself innocent

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@Bhavit

If you are voted because you have a similar avatar to Shadow Dancer, it's a stupid reason and is acceptable in a RANDOM voting stage.

Read what Shadow Dancer said. He said that

waggoning an SE seems like a good idea to start D1

. Note that he did not say he was merely voting for an SE, he mentioned further that it was a

good idea

and a

good idea to

wagon

to add.

My concern is that he disguised a tactical

informed

decision with that of a seemingly random one. Guess who answers the call to arms on his wagon conveniently? Another SE.

In any case, you seem to be defending him, what do you mean he "gave a reason for being the lunar wolf..."? Anyone can see that he voted "to be the alpha wolf"... do you however see the underlying assumptions behind that decision?

I think when he said that wagonning a SE seems a good idea, it was RVS. And he said this in a joking way.

Sorry, I mistook alpha to be lunar.

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And where there was enough discussion, he changed his vote to a more reasonable one.

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-Bhavit

That is a very nice point but we cant accuse them of lurking just yet. But still I think there are high chances of one being a mafia or even two. I would like to see Lollero post because he hasnt posted after the game began that is a really bad thing for town. If he does not post today, he should be sent a prod.

If this is so... I again ask you the same thing, Why aren't you asking questions for them to answer when they get back?

I am waiting for them to post first. Then asking questions would be better. Because they would have gone through the thread.

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Tell me why should I ask them questions if I have no evidence against them yet. I would like to see their analysis on the thread and if I found something scummy, then I would start pressurising them. And about you I havent found something suspicious yet.

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-Bhav

Tell me why should I ask them questions if I have no evidence against them yet. I would like to see their analysis on the thread and if I found something scummy, then I would start pressurising them. And about you I havent found something suspicious yet.

If this is the case... then why honorable Bhavin... did you say this.

But still I think there are high chances of one being a mafia or even two.

What caused you to see a high chance that one of them are mafia?

When I said about high chances I meant to say that there are chances that one of them is mafia i.e it could be possible that one of them is mafia not necessary that one of them will be. Until I have some interaction with them, I wont post questions. Because I really want to see what they have to say about the thread.

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Basically, I am not suspecting them. I am saying that until they post, the town would know nothing about them which is really bad but now the replacements have been done so I hope they will post soon.

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Hi!

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That is a very nice point but we cant accuse them of lurking just yet. But

still I think there are high chances of one being a mafia or even two

. I would like to see Lollero post because he hasnt posted after the game began that is a really bad thing for town. If he does not post today, he should be sent a prod.

I have already explained this. By high chances I didnt meant to say high but wanted to say there are chances.

In fact.

I also find this act suspicious. Enigma may be a second mafia.

Vote:Raymondkurayami

Somethings fishy about him.

It was RVS and I was just joking.

I Have my eyes on you ENIGMA

You are behaving scummy. Changing your vote after a very short period

I found it scummy changing votes too quickly.

Unvote
Vote:Raymond

I was always suspicious about you and now this makes me even more clearer

When I talked about it, I had noticed the scumslip. So, where is the point?

Hey Raymond, I have a question for you.

Who's your scum partner

So is it a Mafia Roleblocker?

You would know that one is mafia because

you are a mafia yourself

.

I was pressurising him because I think he is a scum.

I have a question for everybody

How would you react if you were at a L-1 situation

I asked this question because I wanted to see how people usually react in this kind of situation. This question came in my mind because I was reading some completed games and somebody had asked this question so I thought lets ask this question for fun and experience

I am not sure whether KoreanBoy is scum or not,

not much evidence against him

.

Yeah I didnt have evidence against him.

Let me ask you guys, how much real evidence is there against me? Or is it just assumptions. I know this game is based of fos' but picking me is just bad.

No real evidence can ever be found in this game

. All you could find is little mistakes. And you have done one already. We have a strong evidence only against you. So theres a chance for you to be a mafia.

I was talking about the scumslip and IMO its a big mistake.

Tell me

why should I ask them questions if I have no evidence against them yet.

I would like to see their analysis on the thread and if I found something scummy, then I would start pressurising them. And about you I havent found something suspicious yet.

That is a very nice point but

we cant accuse them of lurking just yet

. I would like to see Lollero post because he hasnt posted after the game began that is a really bad thing for town. If he does not post today, he should be sent a prod.

1) You failed to fully explain to me in a satisfactorily manner why you wagonned Enigma's vote on Raymond at first instance when you yourself said you should've noticed Raymond's scumslip before voting for him.

I never reread things and when Enigma mentioned it. I then reread it and noticed the scum slip

2) In the later stages of day 1, you start deciding you need more evidence before you can begin accusations yet you still leave your vote on RaymondKurayami without arguably any

real

evidence against him. (Contrast red words with bold words in the mess of quotations)

I think I have good enough evidence to vote for him.

3) You make sure that you're involved in the discussion with short and sweet one liners occasionally and in truth, your participation in this thread so far borders on defending yourself against me. Yet you still make fleeting references to the "lurkers" as if to say "

Oh my, I'm still in the thread, why not select one of these juicy targets to lynch instead of me

?"

I am not trying to lynch the lurkers, I just stated the possibility that one of them could be mafia.

Vote: BhavitGoyal

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You are digging a deeper and deeper hole for yourself buddy.

I have already explained this. By high chances I didnt meant to say high but wanted to say there are chances.

You didn't mean to accuse strongly, you only meant to accuse?
I interpret this to be;
a) you did mean to accuse strongly but you're lying now
b) you are participating in the discussion by stating the obvious and avoiding the flak that the lurkers are getting without giving any

real

contribution

It was RVS and I was just joking.

Joking

in the RVS is a necessary and fundamental element of early voting strategy, as providing an agenda early on immediately puts attention on yourself. A "joke" vote would be vote:RaymondKurayami for having a faggy Bleach Avatar and being a general Wapanese fag.

That

is a joke vote.

Accusing someone (Enigma) of being mafia is a joke? Funny.

I found it scummy changing votes too quickly.

Let's examine

your

voting history.

1st vote: RaymondKurayami (something fishy)
2nd vote: Dickov (Wagonned Enigma, no explanation provided) <2nd on my wagon immediately after Enigma>
3rd vote: RaymondKurayami (wagonned Enigma again, merely said "nice point", insufficient explanation) <2nd on Raymond's wagon immediately after Enigma>

if you really believe someone who changes their votes frequently to be scummy, why do you follow that individual

twice

?

When I talked about it, I had noticed the scumslip. So, where is the point?

Dickov's notes: Note there is no mention of a need to re-read anything in this quotation i.e he fully understood the consequence of voting RaymondKurayami for the scumslip.

I never reread things and when Enigma mentioned it. I then reread it and noticed the scum slip

Dickov's notes:Later on, regarding the same issue, he mentions a need to "re-read" and that he should've noticed an obvious scumslip

This is the second time I've caught you taking a shit and trying to hide it. Did you or did you not notice Raymond's imaginary scumslip before you wagonned Enigma to vote him? Unsatisfactory at best.

I am not trying to lynch the lurkers, I just stated the possibility that one of them could be mafia.

Do you understand the consequence of saying that someone

could be

mafia? Town's Win Condition is to lynch all mafia and by saying someone

could be

mafia you are automatically implying they

should be

lynched. The obvious possibility will always remain; any one of us 9 players

could be

mafia. By virtue of you mentioning that the lurkers

could be

mafia (especially when you're taking heat from me), it tells me that you're propositioning another target for me.

You've still failed to address the change in your gung-ho attitude in early day 1 compared with the reserved, cautious, I-need-more-evidence attitude in latter day 1.

Unsatisfactory.

1. I was not accusing them, I was saying until they post, the town wont get information about them which is bad. Interaction is the best way for town to win.
2.I was joking at that time when I said somethings fishy about him. I said

somethings fishy about him

in just a joking way.
3(a).I read some games in this forum and many people said that puting someone at L-1 too early is a bad thing and is most likely to be done by mafia. So that is why I voted you. And I have already told you that I did not follow Enigma, Its not my fault he read your post first and voted you first. If I have read your post first, I surely would have voted you first.
3(b).The second vote in which I followed Enigma, he posted about the Raymond SCUMSLIP which was sensible enough for me to vote Raymond.
4.I cant understand what are you trying to say when I voted against Raymond I was clear of the SCUMSLIP.
5.

[bhavitgoyal]

Before Enigma's post I did not know about the scumslip and after the post I am clear about he scumslip.

When I said that Mafia could lynch someone and then make the excuse
Raymond said that dialouge and I did not notice it then which was foolish of me But after Enigma's post I was clear of the SCUMSLIP. And I voted after Enigma's post which means that when I voted for Raymond I was clear about the scumslip.


When I said I diverted attention towards KoreanWonderBoy because I thought I saw him online but he did not post. He made it clear that he cant post because his network was down. So there was a reason why he did not post.

[bhavitgoyal]

Hello ppl!!!

/confirm role

Anyway

I cant actually decide who to vote even after reading all 9 pages (+ a little skimming) but i am leaning toward raymondkurayami for some of his actions and bhavitgoyal for sticking on him like clue in one of the lower pages.

Anyway still dont know what to do so just gona watch ppl scumhunt till i find somthing...

Rockerboo, I personally dont like this type of behaviour.

I can just think you are a mafia who is waiting for other people to scumhunt and who is trying to stay behind the curtains.

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Andrew94, I think there is nothing suspicious when someone new to this forum asks about the deadline and when do rounds usually last.

[bhavitgoyal]

Well, if you want to see how I react then see.

But now I am going to

Unvote

and

Vote:Rockerboo

for waiting for other people to scumhunt and not putting his efforts in.

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I decided to ISO raymond.

#6 He says that usually the 3rd or 4th person to bandwagon is the mafia.
#7 He replied would he really be that stupid to lynch someone when I said that mafia could lynch someone and then make an excuse.
#9 He says that he has no scum partner.
#10 He says how could he know who is the mafia.
#11 He says that he is getting annoyed of the question and asks me to stop pressuring him.
#13 He states that picking him is bad.
#14 He says that picking him is very bad for town.
#15 He defends himself by saying that he was just FOSing the people who bandwagonned 3rd or 4th and that by losing he meant that if the town lynchs him then it would be LyLo situation on day 3 if they lynch incorrectly twice.
#16 He asks what can be the chances of a lurker being a mafia.
#17 He says if he was a mafia he would have never said that would he really be that stupid to do that.
#19 He questions Rockerboo for changing his FoS to me from him in just 5 posts.

Here are my views on the posts.

#6 To me it seems that he was trying to take attention away from him because he was the second to bandwagon silverbullet
#7 Here the post states that he is the mafia or he did not use the right wording.
#9,10,11 I think here he started feeling nervous of my questions and therefore even asked me to stop questioning me.
#13,14.15 I dont like this type of behaviour. By reading this post, I only think that he is the mafia pretending to be a townie saying that it is the towns loss if they lynch him.
#16 Again he tries to divert the attention away from him by questioning the lurkers
#17 Again by reading this post I can only think he is a mafia pretending to be a townie.
#19 Tries again to divert the attention away from him by questioning RockerBoo

Raymond has posted 20 posts where he just says that it is the town's loss to lynch him, tries to divert the attention away from him and answers my questions. So I think Raymond is a mafia so VOTE: Raymond

[bhavitgoyal]

Sorry for not posting for a while.

The thread has slowed down a lot and nothing interesting has happened during this periond

[bhavitgoyal]

SB and SD: Why are you showing sadness about DP replacing Dickov.

[bhavitgoyal]

@Raymond Your vote seems to me a kind of OMGUS vote.

[bhavitgoyal]

So many long posts
Give me time to read

[bhavitgoyal]

Wow the arguements between SB and SD are very interesting. Silver has even asked for a lynch between them.

I find Silver the scummier of the two. He is trying to avoid Shadow's questions and instead pressurising him for a poor reason i.e the mislynch one. What's even scummier about him is that he has asked for a lynch between them. According to me when he said this he thought that everybody would vote for Shadow.

But I still think Raymond is the best lynch. Firstly he is not posting much, secondly the things he is posting is a useless crap IMO.It could be a result of nervousness of being a mafia and being high on votes.

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1..Post #361, I didn't find the answers suitable and thought that they were foolish reasons and it seemed to me scummy.
2..I think when you said that you thought that we newbies would be convinced by you and think that if you are asking a lynch between you and Shadow then you are gonna be innocent.

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Raymond, now your behavior is really troubling me. You are quiet aware of the fact hat you are on L-2 and the with the highest votes. Still instead of defending yourself, your are making silly posts. And with the deadline coming soon, you should participate in the thread.
But your not at all doing anything useful.

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@HOMJ I dont think DP is lurking. I agree that he is not posting much but still what he is posting is useful. So it is unfair of you to call him a lurker.

[bhavitgoyal]

Well currently I am willing to lynch either of Andrew or Raymond. It is because of their active lurking. And it is the last chance for Ray to defend himself. Andrew is not defending himself. I think he is doing this because he doesnt have any vote against him so if he gets votes against him, I would be ready to lynch him if he does not defend himself.

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2. pls look at my other games and see what happened when i act pro

It doesn't mean that you stop being pro-active in a game if it had a bad result in a previous game.

[bhavitgoyal]

Ok after the last two pages I think I would prefer an Andrew or HOMJ lynch to a BS lynch.

Andrews seems to me very scummy

I feel I have done nothing scummy because I am not scum.

But this sentence again seems to me scummy. It is just a justification of a scum.

Andrew softclaiming here and there that he is a cop.
Saying that he is not pro-active because he gets lynched quickly being pro-active.
This behaviour looks pretty scummy to me.


Coming to HOMJ. The thing i found scummy about him that he wants a Ray lynch(now BS). And dont wants to do derail his lynch.

But Andrew seems far more scummier than him so VOTE: Andrew

[bhavitgoyal]

Well, I totally agree with posts #624 n 625.

[bhavitgoyal]

A lot has happened after I left my keyboard the day before deadline. SD claiming cop which I dont know whether its true or not.
Andrew doesn't leave his habit of fakeclaiming and fakeclaims doc.
The mafia dont kill SD. I am a little confused why didn't the scums killed him.

HOMJ seems to me the scumiest after Andrew. He breaks his promise of self-hammer.

[bhavitgoyal]

What were your invesigations SD