Ladies Night -- Game Over

[Ojanen]

If SB had claimed some result from D1, only the existance of a cop or a mason pair (or someone happening to block her N1) would have exposed it as a certain lie.
As it is now, if she lies, there will be 2 real powerroles here from which guaranteed 1 and extremely probably 2 will know right away she's lying. Pr fishing is possible but imo it's still stupid to not up chances of survival - there even already is a vig that scum need to kill if they want to get rid of a confirmed pr.

Right now we have a lot of people unvoting or turning heads to other directions although saying they aren't inclined to really believe the claim. I think SB's alignment is an important piece in the puzzle and I'd like to know it and have it as tangible information for deciding today's lynch.
If I read the thread correctly, only cepi, Miyu or Dizzy can be the missing disprovers.
Everyone else has commented by turning away.
We don't even have to expose the blocker atm if SB is indeed cop.

I am either vanilla, or a blocker targeting SB N1, or a jk targeting SB or DGB N1.

This is true for me, and I think true for everyone who has commented so far (except the scum among us)[if someone wishes to correct me on this on their part, please do so].

@cepi, Miyu and dizzy

: could you please comment on that statement?

[Ojanen]

As it is now, if she lies, there will be 2 real powerroles here from which guaranteed 1 and extremely probably 2 will know right away she's lying.

Except if the 2 reals would be a blocker targeting SB N1 AND a jk targeting SB/DGB N1. But that'd be such an incredible freak coincidence that I don't think it needs to be worried about.

[Ojanen]

Oh, and welcome Miyu!
RC is doing a smashing job of finding female replacements, I thought that'd be tough.

[Ojanen]

@Sotty: You had Paws in your newbie game as town. What was the influence of the inside knowledge of her alignment in that ongoing game to your read of Paws here if any?

[Miyu]

Day One

Wow. Discussing win/loss tallies.

"Tell me about your playstyle, your in-game experiences and what you offer the town by being alive."
- I hunt for scum. I don't lurk. I don't hide. I've yet to survive until endgame - since I'm such a tasty morsel for scum @ Night.. apparently.

- Hoopla. What was the purpose of you engaging Haylen in a conversation about "Dyslexia, Dyspraxia and Dyscalculia" ?
- Snow_Bunny. You admonished & voted Camn for voting for someone based on their playstyle. Is this not the same thing? You voted Camn for

her

playstyle, while admonishing her voting re: playstyle.
- UK, you seemed to agree with SB's statement in regards to this - yet did not see the hypocrisy? Or you did, and are scum and didn't care as long as it was one more vote for a townie?
- UK. Do you have stats to back up your claim that scum are slightly more probable to support policy lynches?
- Apokalyptika. You admonished Camn for requesting DGB's opinion. Then went and did the same thing. Are you serious?
- Seriously. Discussion on the use of 'interesting'?
- Why such a reaction to a vote against you UK? (Sucrose's vote for you.)
- UncertainKitten. Were you wary of DGB at all? [considering you said that you would be of any who found Camn town. DGB did, yet I see no mention of it.]
- Honestly. All of this "You're scum. Sorry. Vote" attitude is making me want to vomit.
- UK. It seems that the majority of your reason for sticking to Camn, was because her tactics annoyed the hell out of you - with an afterthought in terms of her alignment. Why not alignment reasons first?
- Hoopla, in 156 you discuss Haylen, SB, and esurio and their statements about their playstyle and game experience. 2/3 have met their demise, and have been revealed as townie. How does this alter your conclusions on them, based on their admitted playstyle etcetera.. ?
- I continue to see all of this "interesting" usage, and yet.. no calling out of it.
- Apok. How is stating that you have suspicions and not elaborating, different from saying you suspect x and not elaborating?
- Apok. You unvoted Camn because you had meta'd her. It seemed to be that your major reason for the unvote was finding that she indeed does love policy-lynching people. I don't believe that was included in the reason that you voted for her. So why did it come up?
- Apok. What is your opinion on policy votes/lynches?
- DGB. Is there a reason that a lot of your posts are one-liners? Why no elaboration?
- DGB. Do you think the majority of replacement-requests originate from scum?
- Hoopla. Why do you seem to spend more time discussing 'fluff', than actual suspicions which will help catch scum?
- If a player can not remember who they have their vote on, puhlease. Pure laziness.
- Fenchurch. Why did you hammer PAWS, when earlier you said you were against the Paws wagon.


Scum in: UK, Apok, Hoopla, DGB, Fenchurch. Fenchurch purely for the hammer on Paws. Outside with DGB.
Town: Sucrose, Ojanen

Day Two:

- DGB. Why do you say the Paws wagon was scary fast?
- Fenchurch. You say that you thought there was a good chance that Paws was scum, especially after her selfvote - in relation to your hammer vote.
- Just realized Fenchurch was dead. Disregard questions posed to Fenchurch. Eitherway, her stance on Paws was contradictory - blatantly.
- DGB. What do you mean by this on your scumlist: "Apok (for reasons that needed 'splainin but I see it now)"



woefully not as far along as I had hoped due to family disturbances. Up to 17. Will finish tomorrow.

[Ojanen]

Miyumiyumiyu, are you still here? Can you respond right away to post 775?

[Ojanen]

Hate to be multiposting this much but you guys are on the wrong continent.
This bottleneck is stupid.

@mod:

do you think you could prod Dizzy? last post on Wednesday and she did say she's sick, but she could check in since she has taken care of her modding commitment in the meantime.

I did, but I'll ask her what she wants to do about this game.

DIZZYIZZYB13

: please respond to 775 asap.

cepi posted as Anon last night in another game. Come on.

The stuff that happens to the votecounts if SB is for real is quite drastic, and it's this:

Hoopla

(3) (Sucrose - Sotty7 -

Apokalyptika

)

Haylen

(2) (Hoopla -

Haylen)

Apokalyptika

(2) (esuriospiritus - camn)

camn

(2) (

UncertainKitten

- Snow_Bunny)

Not Voting

(6) (Ojanen - chauchaudotcom - cepi -

Paws - Fenchurch

- DrippingGoofball)

camn

(4) (

UncertainKitten

- Snow_Bunny - Haylen - Apokalyptika

)[/size]

Paws

(3) (Sotty7 - Hoopla -

camn

)

Apokalyptika

(2) (

esuriospiritus

- cepi)

Snow_Bunny

(1) (chauchaudotcom)

UncertainKitten

(1) (Sucrose)

Not Voting

(4) (Ojanen -

Paws - Fenchurch

- DrippingGoofball)

Paws

(4) (

Sotty7

-

camn -

UncertainKitten

- Apokalyptika

)

[/b]

camn

(2) (Snow_Bunny - Haylen)

Apokalyptika

(1) ( cepi)

Snow_Bunny

(1) (chauchaudotcom)

UncertainKitten

(1) (Sucrose)

Sucrose

(1) (Hoopla)

chauchaudotcom

(1) (esuriospiritus)

Not Voting

(4) (Ojanen -

Paws - Fenchurch

- DrippingGoofball)

Paws

(6) (

Sotty7

-

UncertainKitten

-

Apokalyptika

- Haylen

-

DrippingGoofball

-

camn

)

[/b]

Apokalyptika

(2) (cepi -

Fenchurch

)

camn

(1) (Snow_Bunny)

Snow_Bunny

(1) (chauchaudotcom)

UncertainKitten

(1) (Sucrose)

Sucrose

(1) (Hoopla)

chauchaudotcom

(1)

(esuriospiritus)

Not Voting

(2) (Ojanen -

Paws

)

Paws

(8) (Sotty7 -

UncertainKitten

- Apokalyptika - Haylen

- DrippingGoofball -

esuriospiritus - camn - Fenchurch

)

camn

(1) (Snow_Bunny)

Apokalyptika

(1) (cepi)

Snow_Bunny

(1) (chauchaudotcom)

UncertainKitten

(1) (Sucrose)

Sucrose

(1) (Hoopla)

Not Voting

(2) (Ojanen -

Paws

)

Apokalyptika

(2) (cepi - DrippingGoofball)[/size][/b]

chauchaudotcom

(1) (Sotty7)

Snow_Bunny

(1) (camn )

camn

(1) (Haylen)

Sucrose

(1) (

UncertainKitten

)

DrippingGoofball

(1) (Hoopla)

Haylen

(1) (Apokalyptika)

Not Voting

(5) (Ojanen - Sucrose - chauchaudotcom -

Fenchurch - Snow_Bunny

)

Haylen

(3) (Apokalyptika

-

Sucrose

-

Fenchurch

)[/size][/b]

Snow_Bunny

(3) (

Hoopla

-

camn -

UncertainKitten

)[/size][/b]

Apokalyptika

(2) (

cepi - DrippingGoofball

)[/size]

camn

(2) (Haylen - Snow_Bunny)

chauchaudotcom

(1) (Sotty7)

Not Voting

(2) (Ojanen[ - chauchaudotcom

Haylen

(3) (Apokalyptika

-

Sucrose

-

Fenchurch

)[/size][/b]

Snow_Bunny

(3) (Hoopla -

camn -

UncertainKitten

)

Apokalyptika

(3) (cepi - DrippingGoofball - Ojanen)

camn

(2) (Haylen - Snow_Bunny)

Snow White

(1) (Sotty7)

Not Voting

(1) (Snow White)

Apokalyptika

(4) (cepi - DrippingGoofball - Ojanen - Hoopla)

Snow_Bunny

(3) (

camn -

UncertainKitten

- Sotty7)

Haylen

(2) (

Apokalyptika

- Sucrose)

camn

(2) (Haylen - Snow_Bunny)

Not Voting

(2) (Snow White -

Fenchurch

)

Apokalyptika

(5) (cepi - DrippingGoofball - Hoopla -

camn - Fenchurch

)

Snow_Bunny

(2) (

UncertainKitten

- Sotty7)

Haylen

(2) (

Apokalyptika

- Sucrose)

camn

(1) (Haylen

UncertainKitten

(1) (Snow_Bunny)

Not Voting

(2) (Snow White -

Ojanen

)

camn

(4) (

Haylen

- Ojanen - Hoopla -

UncertainKitten

)

Haylen

(3) (

Apokalyptika

- Sucrose - DrippingGoofball)

Apokalyptika

(2) (cepi -

Snow_Bunny

)

Snow_Bunny

(2) (Sotty7 -

camn

)

Not Voting

(2) (Snow White -

Fenchurch

)

camn

(7) (

Haylen

-

Ojanen - Hoopla

-

UncertainKitten

- Snow_Bunny - Fenchurch - Apokalyptika

)[/size][/b]

Haylen

(2) (Sucrose - DrippingGoofball)

Snow_Bunny

(2) (Sotty7 -

camn

)

Apokalyptika

(1) (cepi)

Not Voting

(1) (Snow White)

Snow_Bunny

(3) (

UncertainKitten

- Sotty7 - cepi)

Hoopla

(1) (

Snow_Bunny

)

DrippingGoofball

(1) (Hoopla)

Not Voting

(5) (DizzyIzzyB13 - Snow White -

Apokalyptika

- DrippingGoofball - Ojanen)

Snow_Bunny

(2) (Sotty7 - cepi)

Hoopla

(1) (

Snow_Bunny

)

DrippingGoofball

(1) (Hoopla)

Sotty7

(1) (

UncertainKitten

)

DizzyIzzyB13

(1) (DrippingGoofball)

Not Voting

(4) (DizzyIzzyB13 - Snow White -

Apokalyptika

- Ojanen)

Snow_Bunny

(2) (Sotty7 - cepi)

Hoopla

(1) (

Snow_Bunny

)

DrippingGoofball

(1) (Hoopla)

Sotty7

(1) (

UncertainKitten

)

DizzyIzzyB13

(1) (DrippingGoofball)

Not Voting

(4) (DizzyIzzyB13 - Snow White -

Apokalyptika

- Ojanen)

Snow_Bunny

(3) (Sotty7 - cepi -

UncertainKitten

)

DizzyIzzyB13

(2) (DrippingGoofball - Hoopla)

Hoopla

(1) (

Snow_Bunny

)

Not Voting

(4) (DizzyIzzyB13 - Snow White -

Apokalyptika

- Ojanen)

I have thoughts but I want the information of whether SB is confirmed scum or confirmed cop before it's worth to shoot off to pursue hypotheticals. Now.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm short on time today, but looking at Ojanen's votecounts, no matter which way you cut it, Sotty is scum.

[UncertainKitten]

I'm going to ignore all you're D1 questions, Miyu ^-^.

They're irrelevant .

[cepi]

Im VLA for a couple of days. My access is being ext silly.

Noted

I have reservations on the claim.

Either way, lynching Sotty or Hoopla is the best for today. So, how about if we start some love?
DGB, I've seen you posted a lot of possible scum / scum teams, yet you don't cast a vote.

Hey, Ive seen you posting a lot of scummy stuff, yet you dont answer a direct case I posted AGAINST YOU.
PLEASE DO SO.

There is NO case to answer! I still think UK is scummy, but the latest posts of UK have diminished that feeling and Hoopla and Sotty have drawn my attention even more. Happy?

If you had an innocent on UK, why did you think she was still scummy?

I might as well ask why didnt you investigate camn night 1?

And there is the DGB lack of result night 1.... Im borderline thinking that we should go all in with the information stuff and decide if Bunny is either confirmed or scum.

[Sotty7]

@Sotty: You had Paws in your newbie game as town. What was the influence of the inside knowledge of her alignment in that ongoing game to your read of Paws here if any?

It had an effect. In my newbie game, she replaced in and right away got her hands dirty with game content. While in this game she simply refused to comment on the game state right up until the very end of her lynch. I thought the excuse of day ones being boring was a reach when I know she would have read the day one of the newbie.

[DrippingGoofball]

If you had an innocent on UK, why did you think she was still scummy?

I might as well ask why didnt you investigate camn night 1?

And there is the DGB lack of result night 1.... Im borderline thinking that we should go all in with the information stuff and decide if Bunny is either confirmed or scum.

You are genius. Bunny is scum.

[UncertainKitten]

Hmm...

I'll be honest, I could EASILY see where that post is softclaiming her result and consistent with her behaviors. Note that her scum read of me had "diminished" somehow. But didn't go entirely away because she's worried about the godfather (Hmm...wouldn't it be godmother in this game ?). I'm not entirely sure why you're so quick to jump to conclusions that don't QUITE work like that, DGB.

All that said I'm still ambivalent about the claim.

[Ojanen]

Im borderline thinking that we should go all in with the information stuff and decide if Bunny is either confirmed or scum.

I'm thinking we are

freaking stupid

if we don't find out her alignment now. We don't have several mislynches/misviggings to spare anymore and lynch chances are imo now certainly a lot more valuable than an unouted powerrole. If anyone is a pr except the rb/jk scenarios and decides for some reason to spare it for later, an unnecessary ambiguous lylo claim situation will happen tomorrow if we mislynch+misvig.
We neeeeed the info for max accuracy today.

I am either vanilla, or a blocker targeting SB N1, or a jk targeting SB or DGB N1.

is all it takes if SB is real. If she's not, someone needs to out themselves, but that is imo a million times lesser evil.

Also, that accusation of Paws being inconsistent to her claim by still saying UK is scummy but suspicion went down is, imo, crap.

@Sotty: You had Paws in your newbie game as town. What was the influence of the inside knowledge of her alignment in that ongoing game to your read of Paws here if any?

It had an effect. In my newbie game, she replaced in and right away got her hands dirty with game content. While in this game she simply refused to comment on the game state right up until the very end of her lynch. I thought the excuse of day ones being boring was a reach when I know she would have read the day one of the newbie.

This is scummy.
I thought you would have known Paws was raw/always scummy based on that and that it would have made you more unsure of how to read her. Also, there is little analogy to your modded game.
In that game there was an immediate cop guilty on D2, right when Paws replaced in, and that day happened during the confirmations of this game. ("Where I come from D1 is basic randomness" ITT does not contradict this.) Paws

extremely

clumsily practically claims doctor upon the result (as vanilla, trying to draw the scumkill but in a VI way). That makes people suspicious of her and even makes the scum that is going down trying to connect himself to her.
Further, Paws demonstrates having not read the rules by speculating about miller/framer (although finding them unlikely).
Further, Paws

never ever

during the game even comments on any D1 or later "case" content, she only ever reasons on role information, so how did you know she would have read D1??

[Ojanen]

EBWOP Also, that accusation of

Paws

SB being inconsistent to her claim by still saying UK is scummy but suspicion went down is, imo, crap.

[UncertainKitten]

I am either vanilla, or a blocker targeting SB N1, or a jk targeting SB or DGB N1.

[DrippingGoofball]

I am either vanilla, or a blocker targeting SB N1, or a jk targeting SB

or DGB

N1, but one thing for sure, I'm awesome.

[Miyu]

Day Two cont...

- UK, you need to voluntarily get off your high horse.
- Haylen/Apok/Snow_Bunny clusterfuck... what is your opinion of the remaining two, since Haylen has flipped townie?
- DGB. I assume that you believe in this "On the theory that scumz aren't in a rush to post after night, wanting to see where the wind blows first, this is the order of posting after night:" ? Or were you just stating it for something to post and a reason to justify your vote after the fact?
- Cepi. Out of your "Apoka, Bunny and Haylen." What are your opinions on the remaining two, since Haylen as flipped townie. Have you been doing hard work since her flip? "Im prob missing one scum in the side of the crafty ones but Ill leave the hard work after I get this flip."
- Hoopla. Why did you want the competing wagons to be between SB and Apok?
- Ojanen. Why did you think the two best wagons were Apok and SB?
- UK. Why do you fly off the handle when suspicion is in your direction?
- Apok. What made you so sure that Haylen was scum?
- UK. What is the 'RIGHT' direction for people to be focused at?
- Hoopla, why do you want to see a UK meltdown? Do you think she is scum and will slip things? Or?
- Uk. Why do you have SB and Apok connected?
- Cepi. Why are you demanding things from other players, when they've contributed more to the game than you have?
- Cepi. What are/were your reasonings for SB, Haylen, and Apok being your scum choices? Other than the obvious, you are lazy and choosing from the limelight.
- Ojanen. Since Camn flipped townie, can we lynch you now?
- Hoopla. Why would you vote for Camn, when you had not even read the/a case for her?
- If Camn was so darn scummy, then why was she not a topic of discussion during Apok/Haylen/SB time? Why did all of this CamnHate only surface

after

Apok's claim?
- UK. I hope your arrogance has lessened, considering that Camn has flipped TOWN. Especially considering your RAGE from "poor logic". The entire spiel on Camn, and how the wagon is forming is complete BS. So from now on, I will direct your RAGE posts about "poor logic" to the trashbin - as they will be nothing but hypocrisy.
- Apok, your #428 breadcrumbing, is rather terrible.
- Ojanen. How 'DID YOU KNOW THAT CAMN WAS SCUM'?
- Ojanen. Since Camn flipped scum, we can lynch you now. Yes?
- Ojanen. "Hell, I'd even be alright with getting myself lynched first if the vig would promise to put a bullet to camn's head in the case I flip town." What do you mean 'in the case I flip town". Either you will or you won't. Since you're boasting that you KNOW Camn is scum, you sure as hell better be town. Buuuut since Camn flipped town. I doubt that you are.

Scum picks: DGB, UK, Ojanen.
Hoopla I waver on. Some posts are pure townie read, then she goes and does something ridiculously stupid like voting for Camn blindly.
Apok. I still think is scummy, even with her claim.
SB, I think is a target from stronger players.
Camn, Haylen, SB, and Paws - I feel were all 'weaklings' and immediately pounced on by sharks. All were easy targets, and all were swooped up by scum and silly town.

Day Three:

- Apok. Why in the hell did you go for either Haylen or Fenchurch. I am assuming Haylen here.
- Ojanen, your first post should of included a selfvote. I feel your post about being sorry is completely fake.
- SB, why the vote for Hoopla?
- UK, if any one is having difficulties with being right, I think it is you. Camn flipped town. Admittance that you were wrong please.
- Hoopla, why the vote for DGB?
- DGB. If Camn was playing to her town-meta. Then why did you not try to derail the wagon?
- DGB. "Unless you have rolebased info, and I don't think that you do" was what you said in regards to Ojanen. You didn't think there was role-based info, so why are you using it as an excuse for not defending Camn?
- Ojanen. Your theory that Haylen was supposedly claiming cop. Oh for eff sakes.
- Cepi. What are your reasons for voting SB?
- UK. When will you be scum hunting?
- Cepi, please stop demanding things of players, when your own contributions are extremely small. All I see is you asking questions and demanding things - and very little straight opinion.
- I see no reason to not believe SB's claim of Cop.

I am either vanilla, or a blocker targeting SB N1, or a jk targeting SB or DGB N1.

- Though I don't get what your aim with this is Ojanen. You think the scum will not fakeclaim that statement, and that a JK/RB is going to claim?
- UK. If they were not relevant, then I would not of been posting them.
- Also, get over yourself.
- I don't think "If you had an innocent on UK, why did you think she was still scummy?" points to SB as scum. In my experience, drastic and unexplained flips point to possible PRship.


And that is all I've got for the time being. I'm going to go make and eat dinner. Then re-read the last few pages. Especially Hoopla's #741, because I honestly just skimmed it, because I was nearing the end of the pages and just really wanted to be done because I'm hungry.

Scum picks so far: DGB, Ojanen. UK as godfather.

[UncertainKitten]

- UK. I hope your arrogance has lessened, considering that Camn has flipped TOWN. Especially considering your RAGE from "poor logic". The entire spiel on Camn, and how the wagon is forming is complete BS. So from now on, I will direct your RAGE posts about "poor logic" to the trashbin - as they will be nothing but hypocrisy.

I couldn't give less of a shit ^-^

So, in that entire wall of IIoA, do you plan to actually tell me why I'm scum, or are you just going to snipe at me cause you don't like my attitude?

If it's the latter, please proceed to fuck yourself. I don't think you need

Already told you who the scum are.

Oh right, probably need to fix my vote

Unvote, Vote DizzyIzzy

You know what? I think I'll throw all your posts in the trashbin for being dumb ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

I don't think you need

Um...I have no idea what I was starting to say here but assume it was witty and insulting to you because you're dumb >=[!

Or something like that.
Actually, I think it was something about getting over your own damn self.

[DrippingGoofball]

Miyu is town. However, I'm reasonably sure that 2/3 of her scum reads are town, and SB, Sotty and DizzyIzzy get off scott-free? Mmmmmmmm

UKitten, turn it down a notch please. PMS is unbecoming.

[Miyu]

Considering I was starting off with reading the entire thread and writing comments/questions/opinions as I went. I even posted a heads up in #774. But glad to see the confirmation on your abysmal reading comprehension skills UK.

Exactly how is it productive going after SB, when I don't believe she is faking her claim. She would have to be pretty damn sucky as scum to try and pull a stunt like that. Considering that part of her claim is a no result on you DGB. Which adds another variable into the mix. If there is no RB or JK, easily disproves her claim.

Sotty and DI, I essentially have neutral/no reads on currently. No strong opinions on either. Why should I be harassing them? I'm not in the business of changing up my suspicions merely because someone says so.

[UncertainKitten]

Oh, I know what you started off with. But it's just walls of useless words, often used to make you look "pro town" without any real work. Hell, I do it every time I replace in and suddenly get fucktons of town reads on me.

To be fair, I didn't find your slot scummy, so I doubt you're doing this purely for town cred. But, seriously, those wall posts tend to be pretty damn useless, and at best feel good for a slot.

And...where did I go after SB, again? After she claimed? I might have been late in changing my vote but...um...I'm PRETTY sure I dropped her ^-^;

Well, at least I know your scumdar sucks. And I'm sure you'll call me hypocritical for that, but fuck if I care, once again. I think I'll play a game. Everyone you accuse as scum I am immediately going to assume is town. I wonder how long it'll take me to deduce scum that way? Probably not too long.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Update: I'm feeling a little better, so I'll try and catch up with the game and post something with the next 24 hours (probably within 12, but I'm not going to make promises on that). I noticed someone wrote my username in big blue letters when I was scrolling down, so I'll try and make sure I prioritise deling whatever the hell that's about when I'm in a position to do so. Sorry for the inconvenience I've caused.

[RedCoyote]

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