Open 236 - Pamplona Mafia (C9++) Game Over

[yabbaguy]

...yeah, I'll go for it.

Vote: Prox

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 3.07

Netlava - 1 - Prox
Prox - 1 - yabbaguy


Not voting: ekiM, Netlava, The Fonz

With 5 alive, it is three to lynch.

Deadline is September 19.

[Prox]

...yeah, I'll go for it.

Vote: Prox

You know lynches only occur through wagoning?

[yabbaguy]

Netlava, I would not be surprised to see vote you. I'm looking for a 3rd vote, admittedly, but I just cannot keep you in the game after the way you tried to slide onto the NL wagon.

If it were Fonz or confirmed town-ekiM, I wouldn't have reflexively snapped my vote back. But I can't trust you, and you bussing NL with a vote like that sounds very, very unlikely.

[Prox]

I'm sorry, but I don't follow. My vote makes me seem scummier or what?

[The Fonz]

Yeah, yg didn't phrase that very well, but I think he definitely thinks that vote makes you hugely scummier.

Personally, I know one of those three votes (yg on nl, prox on nl, yg on prox) is a bus, and i'm thoroughly confused as to which it is.

[yabbaguy]

...I do realize that if I'm to say that NL is getting recklessly scum-wagonned, I have no choice but to say that Fonz is scum. I've been considering that again ever since he started fluffing. Now he's posting just to provide information instead of analysis.

For what it's worth, the original intent was not to trap Prox, but I turned it into one after seeing the way he tried to slide on. My initial conclusion, and one that still stands, is that he's trying to set the quickhammer for, well, Fonz.

[The Fonz]

Fluffing? Pah. Try genuinely no idea who's scum since you're all so scummy. Though, you know, thanks for clarifying.

And my most likely thought atm is that you pulled away the vote because you couldn't afford to confirm the non-existence of a Fonz/Prox pair. Placing the first vote on Lava makes little sense given what you'd said prior to that. My guess? You placed the first vote on NL in the hope that ekiM or I would follow it after a while, and Prox could hammer. Prox fucked it up by following immediately, which would have left the 'Prox is scum or both scum are on Prox' argument indisputable. The way you've played today as if deliberately to make it as hard as possible to tell which is your buddy is pretty concrete, imho.

Call the bluff on Prox and possibly hand the very scummy Netlava the chance to hammer? Heck, why not. Like I said before, principle of 'guy most embarrassing to lose to.'

Vote: Prox

100% calling yabba as partner.

[The Fonz]

Ed: THe 'NL is scum or both scum are on NL' argument, named the wrong player. Oh well.

dieyabbascumdie

[yabbaguy]

Fluffing? Pah. Try genuinely no idea who's scum since you're all so scummy. Though, you know, thanks for clarifying.

I don't understand this. It's loaded with all sorts of spite and I have no idea what this is even trying to say.

And hang on- I'm saying that Prox COULDN'T have bussed Netlava with that. If you're Town with me, then your thought at this moment should be to take that theory into account. How can you possibly be saying that I would "call Prox a bluffer as scum" and yet "hand scummy Netlava the chance to hammer". The two don't stack!

The weird thing is that you probably realize that; by voting Prox, you're agreeing with me on this. There's no way Netlava could be scum if this theory checks out.

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 3.08

Prox - 2 - yabbaguy, The Fonz
Netlava - 1 - Prox

Not voting: ekiM, Netlava

With 5 alive, it is three to lynch.

Deadline is September 19.

[Prox]

unvote; vote self

I really have to work on my scumplay. Advice?

[Prox]

I think it was that change in my schedule that ruined me. I'll do better next time.

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 3.09

Prox - 3 - yabbaguy, The Fonz, Prox

Not voting: ekiM, Netlava

With 5 alive, it is three to lynch.

Prox, Mafia Member,

has been gored by a bull and is dead.

Night Three begins now. You have 72 hours to PM your night actions, if you have any. Night Three deadline: September 12.

[Nobody Special]

Summer, and therefore the San Fermin Festival, is winding down and coming to an end.

As glad as you are that you decided to live your dream and come to Spain, you're also relieved that it's almost over.

Slowly, as if to prolong the inevitable, you make your way downstairs to the hotel lobby to find out who might be missing this time.

You're all packed and ready to go by this evening. It's been an adventure, hasn't it?

ekiM, Town Doctor,

has been gored by a bull and is dead.

Day Four begins now, and ends October 4.

Not voting: Netlava, The Fonz, yabbaguy

With three alive, it is two to lynch.

[The Fonz]

Fluffing? Pah. Try genuinely no idea who's scum since you're all so scummy. Though, you know, thanks for clarifying.

I don't understand this. It's loaded with all sorts of spite and I have no idea what this is even trying to say.

What I'm trying to say is your behaviour there made you obvscum.

And hang on- I'm saying that Prox COULDN'T have bussed Netlava with that. If you're Town with me, then your thought at this moment should be to take that theory into account.

This is just posturing, because you knew as well as I did that

My precise point is that your

How can you possibly be saying that I would "call Prox a bluffer as scum" and yet "hand scummy Netlava the chance to hammer". The two don't stack!

Because, and this was and is really obvious, that's not what I'm saying. I was calling YOU the player who was bluffing, not Prox. I wasn't suggesting that Prox' vote for Netlava was bussing- I was suggesting that your reaction to it was fake, because, y'know, it was.

The weird thing is that you probably realize that; by voting Prox, you're agreeing with me on this. There's no way Netlava could be scum if this theory checks out.

Correct: the clue was when I 100% called you and Prox as the scumteam. My point about being afraid to give Netlava the chance to hammer was that there is always the outside chance there's even more layers of WIFOM to the scum's play than you thought, and Netlava on his own has looked really quite scummy all game. The thing is, the interactions didn't look like that. Still, given that as town, I constantly second-guess myself, it was enough to worry about, if not enough to actually change my assessment.

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Specifically: the yabbaguy vote for Netlava, coming when it did, was the clincher. Like I said, all game yg has been saying that he suspects Prox, then when the chips are down voting for someone else. Prox ballsed it up by following his partner too quickly. yg knew then that I would show up, not hammer, and then we'd be left with Fonz-NL ruled out, and the huge obvious question of 'Why is yabbaguy voting with his supposed top suspect?'

There's other stuff, like the pushing to out the doc and the utterly absurd ekiM case, but the above is the crux of the matter. Netlava, look how he creeps from 'Prox is scum' to 'Prox is scum, but I can't help but take into account the following scummy things of netlava' to vote Netlava. And it might well have come off, too, had Prox not ballsed it up, because you sure had ekiM convinced you were scum.

[The Fonz]

@ yg: You have one post to let me know whether you're even going to try to convince me it's Netlava.

[ekiM]

Bah.

Go town..

[yabbaguy]

I'm still sure it's you, Fonz, so I'm just gonna go with it. That way if we're both wrong, we're not going to waste any more time firing PBPAs at each other while Netlava not only dupes us but gets to see a lose-lose boxing match between us from the luxury box seats.

Vote: The Fonz

I'll formally write out my thoughts after NL pops in.

[The Fonz]

Fine by me.

Vote: yabbaguy

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 4.01

The Fonz - 1 - yabbaguy
yabbaguy - 1 - The Fonz

Not voting: Netlava

With three alive, it is two to lynch.

Deadline: October 4.

[Netlava]

Vote: yabbaguy

I feel kinda bad, as I should be lynched

[yabbaguy]

>:(

So Prox did bus.

[yabbaguy]

I really need to master the art of changing my mind. Fonz was dead-wrong, but to his credit, I just had no damned idea who to pick. Am I really allowed to drop the stupid ekiM-spy theory when I realize it's dumb and say "soz nvm"? Then I'm pegged as scum for throwing darts blindly against the wall hoping one sticks. After a threat like Fonz's, would he, as confirmed Town, have picked me after I flipped stances for the millionth time in a row?

I'm also just ticked that I've once again blown a LyLo. I cannot STAND being in endgame.

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 4.02

yabbaguy - 2 - The Fonz, Netlava
The Fonz - 1 - yabbaguy

With three alive, it is two to lynch.

Deadline: October 4.

yabbaguy, a Vanilla Townie,

has been gored by a bull and is dead.

The scumteam of

Alduskkel, Netlava, and Prox

have won the game.

Night actions coming shortly.