Mini 1044: Lie to Me Mafia - Game Over

[Antihero]

...and we have our first wagon. Let's take a look at the order (feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken).

Me, Robbnva, ZeroFang, SOW, jimfinn

I wouldn't say anything so far is truly all that scummy (since it's still pretty much RVS/RQS), but I'm going to RVS VOTE: Tasky

Like zero said, it's not the RVS anymore. Also, nothing is scummy, not even SOW's crappy vote?

UNVOTE: Tasky
VOTE: jimfinn

Preview edit:

There are several Tasky votes, yes.

Yeah, that was L-2.

What scumtells there are are minor at best, nothing too serious IMO.

Such as...

Wagon reactions

(like your reaction to the Tasky one?)

are more likely to create scumtells that I pick up on than RQS answers and related discussion.

Another preview edit:

That is to say, disagreements over the meanings of terms such as rolefishing and the odd capitalization of TOWN do not seem (at least to me) to be anything significant

Well, if you have something better, please come forward with it

, and no serious reason for voting is brought to my attention, though I am very curious to see how the wagon plays out. Wagon players up and down and see how they react - that's how you catch scum.

You know, vague neutrality is a pretty reliable scumtell.

[jimfinn]

What do you mean by Vague neutrality? Also, why is SoW's vote so terrible? It seems like a "you're not doing what we want so i vote you" type vote, which could feasibly be used by a town player trying to push a specific strategy.

[Tazaro]

I'm not the most prolific poster in this thread
GUYS, TASKY is bandwagonned pretty often from what I've seen.
Crummy Tasky votes. There's lynch on his wagon. Guaran-damn-tee it.

[Tazaro]

ebwop: lynch, read that word as "scum." Either way you look at it, Tasky's bandwagon involves the right lynch candidate!

[Tazaro]

*Regaining my most prolific poster title.*

What do you mean by Vague neutrality? Also, why is SoW's vote so terrible? It seems like a "you're not doing what we want so i vote you" type vote, which could feasibly be used by a town player trying to push a specific strategy.

SOW's vote IS terrible. In fact, he's my scumpick. Either way you look at it, SOW either played a crummy vote on Tasky due to being scum or needs to be pressured to take it off of Tasky. I for one see scumminess as a very viable possibility.

Shepherd of Wolves

[Tazaro]

F***

Vote: Shepherd of Wolves

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Espeonage

I absolutely hate people who initiate an RQS instead of an RVS, and then have nothing to show for it. It makes it worse when they do absolutely nothing after they ask their random questions. I mean, what's the point of ANY of the questions Esp asked? At all? Timezone is nice to know, but you'll figure out when someone posts within a couple days of playing with them. Experience can be found by clicking on a person's name. Self-described playstyles are pretty much NEVER correct, and the rest of the questions are just useless filler.

The SoW wagon is tainted by Tazaro's prescence.
The Tasky wagon is too conspiracy theory for me.

[Tasky]

VOTE:

Tasky

I think his post, #71 was a way to hide his statement. Because if the possible "lie detector" role is in the game, than he made his statement null and void within a post that is full of claims that contradict each other. The post detection may be weighted on the whole post, and not just an isolated statement within the post. If we make verifiable statements to be detected, I think they need to be isolate the statements like antihero.

and why does that makes me scummy?
I actually thought the lie detector picks isolated statements to verify.

happy now? (related to next post)

[Tasky]

I am town aligned

[Tasky]

^ EVERYBODY SHOULD DO THIS (you can also admit that you are mafia if you like, but make a statement)!

if you don't you will die. and DO NOT TRY TO TALK YOUR WAY OUT OF THIS.
if we have a lie detector, it will be used

[Nachomamma8]

I am town aligned

[Antihero]

What do you mean by Vague neutrality?

"I wouldn't say anything so far is truly all that scummy" That's trying to remain as neutral and in the background as possible.

Also, why is SoW's vote so terrible? It seems like a "you're not doing what we want so i vote you" type vote, which could feasibly be used by a town player trying to push a specific strategy.

A simple request to make a single post would suffice. I don't see it as a wise use of a vote.

The SoW wagon is tainted by Tazaro's prescence.

One vote is a wagon?

[Tazaro]

I guess I should say this if you want me to, Tasky: I'm town aligned.

[Espeonage]

Cal wouldn't do that unless his daughter told him to and even then he would need convicing. Now I will read the thread properly when I am at home and not in the middle of Web programming.

[Tazaro]

The SoW wagon is tainted by Tazaro's prescence.

Why?

[Stef]

68% of women lie about their weight on their driver's license

First votecount of D1:

jimfinn(1) - Antihero
Robbnva(1) - CryMeARiver
Shepherd_of_Wolves(2) - Tasky, Tazaro
Espeonage(1) - Nachomamma8
Tasky(3) - Robbnva, ZeroFang, Shepherd_of_Wolves

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Narsis replaces Ghostwriter

Everybody else has posted in the last 48 hours

[Espeonage]

lol Lie to me on right now. Short read over comencing nowish.

[Espeonage]

I am town aligned.

[Espeonage]

@ Nacho: It had a purpose but CMAR voided it. For the same reason CMAR is town.

Tasky really does love being town. I have another post where he is quite set in his "favorite role is townie". So that isn't a legitimate case for a wagon. (Nat that you need one it this stage but still.)

[Tasky]

Cal wouldn't do that unless his daughter told him to and even then he would need convicing.

what are you talking about?

[Espeonage]

Someone told me to change the size of my avvie. It was a nonserious post answering that. I thought my following comment would make that clear. Sorry if you thought it was something game related.

[Narsis]

hey guys...replacing Ghostwriter here.

sorta been following the game, but need to do a reread tonight.

in the meantime if there's anything in particular you want let me know...

oh and I am town-aligned.

[Robbnva]

Are we saying we are town aligned in case there is a lie detector?

If so. I am town alligned

[Espeonage]

W

e saying we are town aligned

for those who are

lie detector

s

?

I am town alligned.

fixed

I have already confirmed that this is a mechanic from my own role and cmar's role which means that members of the lightman group need or can investigate lies.

[Shepherd_of_Wolves]

Zerofang, you plagiarizer :p

(1) What are your rules for defining RVS?

What significance does this question have? What information about people's alignments do you hope to gain from the answer to this question?

(2) What do you call the stage after RVS?

Why do you care!?

(3) What are your rules that define the next Stage?

You know, all the answers to these questions do is clutter up the discussion.

(4) How many times have you played mafia alignment?

Finally, a question that might have scumhunting meta significance. A few.

(5) What makes it less favorable to you than playing town alignment?

I was just trying to get discussion going with the whole mini analysis of Tasky's answer; this question will go nowhere.

That Tasky vote is aweful.

As I stated, those questions were specifically for Tasky. Others were welcome to answer too. But, his excuse was that "anything goes" in RVS. So, I wanted his explanation for what happens after RVS for him. What is is method after RVS? Will he hold to his idea that he can make anything up he wants. That is what makes these questions significant. What is his game theory?

Question 5 may very well go somewhere. If he is enjoying the fact that he is currently mafia (if that is his current role), than it will let us see more of his game play. Is he squeamish about how honest he is? Is he good at lying? So on.

Let's take a look at SOW's last few posts. Right after my Tasky vote:

Tasky, are you aligned with town in this game? Will you have a favorite experience, or an unfavorite experience?

I think we should vote players for intra-game reasons, and not inter-game reasons. It does not matter what role they played in another game. It only matters what role they play in this game.

What do you mean by a "favorite experience"?
Stating the obvious is a mild scumtell, you know.

What is the obvious? Tasky was claiming inter-game reasons. I just responded to him by saying that was not valid. It did not appear obvious to him.

I explained what I meant by "favorite experience" in post #67 at the bottom. But, maybe you did not read it, when you extracted the questions out.

Nice! Another RV for "whatever reason you want..." I assume, the dot dot dot, means you can fabricate "whatever reason you want..." I am honestly okay with what ever vote you cast at this point. As it cannot yet lead to an incorrect lynch. But, I will have my eye on you to see if you continue to fabricate "whatever reason you want..."

Is anyone else scratching their head at this paragraph?

You are really focused on the term "rolefish".

(1) What qualifies as role fishing?
(2) What details made you think of this specific question?
(3) What details made you think that everyone should make the same statement?
(4) Why do you assume that such a mechanism of "lie detector" would effectively respond to such a statement by each player?

*sigh*
Too much!

SOW, what's the reason for

your

Tasky vote?

I really wonder if you read anything I posted carefully. Right after my vote, I explain it. In post #77 I state:

I think his post, #71 was a way to hide his statement. Because if the possible "lie detector" role is in the game, than he made his statement null and void within a post that is full of claims that contradict each other. The post detection may be weighted on the whole post, and not just an isolated statement within the post. If we make verifiable statements to be detected, I think they need to be isolate the statements like antihero.

At least Tasky saw my reason. I did not say it was lynch worthy or not. I do not understand whether or not the "lie detector" role could isolate one statement or has to have the post weighed as one. Too many claims could have a possible affect as to if the statement can be read by a "lie detector". Even though I do not see this reason enough to lynch, I think it has some merit.

But, as he made an isolated claim in post #108. My reason stands resolved.

UNVOTE:

Tasky