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Post Post #200 (ISO) » Sun Sep 05, 2010 6:37 pm

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Xite91 wrote:It's scummy because "if and when" makes it sound like charlie thinks I'm town, but he just said I was anti-town (which pieman probably took as scum, but with charlie I know better ;) )
Hmm. I overreacted to your defense of Pieman. While I was reading this within a post of yours, my mind clicked and as a result just made Pieman's interpretation of the if and when thing understandable and more sensible.
Pieman is indeed a person who would make the mistake of thinking anti-town could mean scum; this is correct since I have seen from searching his posts via his profile that his game in one of StrangerCoug's completed theme games that ended not too long ago was his very first game.
I look at Pieman's game play and I believe I can attribute it to being not so experienced; As you may guess, this is my cue to unvote, and I believe my next course of action could be to examine the aspects of brianj bandwagon.
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Post Post #201 (ISO) » Sun Sep 05, 2010 9:36 pm

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@tazaro So your saying that most of why I come off as scum to people, in past games, is that Im voting for people who are being anti-town, not scummy?
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Post Post #202 (ISO) » Mon Sep 06, 2010 2:20 am

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VOTE COUNT

brianj (2): Charlie, Oman
curiouskarmadog (1): Xite91
PieMan (3): Prof. Guppy, Reckamonic, Tasky
Reckamonic (1): yabbaguy
Tasky (1): PieMan
Xite91 (1): curiouskarmadog
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Post Post #203 (ISO) » Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:12 am

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you mean this "case"? there isnt a case here?

so you want me to go back through each of my posts, to see what you are commenting on?....

I have answered some of the questions though..like i am not going to provide my reasoning for pursuing questions against fakegod/charlie...I have my reasoning, and I am noting that you are trying to role fish..you will have to kill me tonight, if you want to find out my role, and I have a feeling you are dying to.

if you want me to answer individual questions, please provide the actual quote with the question so everyone can see what you are quoting (and what I am answering) without having to go back to ISO me...I mean, if you really feel that strong about a point, you should have already done that. if there is a case here, it is half ass.

Also I request once you quote whatever it is your what me to answer...you also provide 2-3 points to sum up your case...again this shouldnt be an issue if you really want people to believe you think i am scum.

personally, i think you are trying to throw shit against the wall to see if it sticks, try harder scum bag.

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curiouskarmadog wrote:your statement makes no since....

pie was the one you was attacking charlie for the "if and when"..I am attacking pie for his scummy manuver of the words.

and was that anywhere close to what I was asking fakegod and charlie?...what case did I push against them?
sorry I'm half asleep and sick, let me see if I can make sense of what I'm trying to say for you;
here, I'll just do an ISO case on you, k?

1) What did you think he was saying? Or is this just a way to look town?
4) 1 and 2 are the same question worded 2 different ways
6) starting a count of how many times you ask, so this is for all intents and purposes the 2nd time
7) 3
9) 4
10) 5
11) 6 - and you're encouraging tunneling
13) 7
14) guess what? I voted you. And I'm prolly gonna get you lynched. Can I bully you now?
15) not exactly 8, but still not dropping it
16) I'll consider this and 15 = to one, so 8
17) 9
18) actually, it was 9 ;)
19) So what were those reasons? You never told me what they were
20) 10
21) Then you just dropped it??? What the hell?
23) Wow, so you had to ask the question 10 times??
24) correctly?
25) In a way, he did show that he thought I was town, but he did give some uncertainty, this did not warrant more than this one post against it
26) There is not wagon, and I could say you're doing the same thing.
27) This whole post is scummy, for what should be those weird reasons that you can see scum writing it but don't know exactly where the scummy is.
28) Because you are twisting what he's saying quite a bit. Also, you're attacking the popular wagon for shit reasons. Therefore, you are scum, or at least very scummy.
29) Is that better for ya?
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Post Post #204 (ISO) » Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:19 am

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PieMan wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Tasky

Wont even state why hes voting.
yes, that's true. so what? why exactly is that scummy?
Tazaro wrote: Let's look at the Pieman bandwagon. Well, there's two good customers on it: Curiouskarmadog reads as town. Reckamonic reads as town. The guy called Pieman is being defended too much by Xite in post 172 (you're next on the lynch list as far as I'm concerned, Xite), and Pieman was weaksauce attacking Charlie for the when and if thing.
Vote: Pieman
would you mind rephrase this post? I honestly didn't really understand your point here.
Xite91 wrote:I didn't see them as legit because it looked like nitpicking (as did pieman's) but CKD seems to be trying REAL hard to derail the scumhunting process based on his ISO
now this is serious bullshit. you think CKD's intention was derailing scumhunting with his question-thing on Charlie/FG. you can't really believe that?
I don't know whether CKD really had anything there or if he just wanted to get town cred, or what else. but his point is completely legitimate until proven otherwise. he obviously had some inside information and the wording of the claim didn't match it, so he asked for a clarification?
I really think you are misrepresenting people here.
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Post Post #205 (ISO) » Mon Sep 06, 2010 5:40 am

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PieMan wrote:@tazaro So your saying that most of why I come off as scum to people, in past games, is that Im voting for people who are being anti-town, not scummy?
I don't believe I've said that. The thing is, if you are a less experienced player, it's more difficult to avoid inadvertent scummy-seeming behavior.
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Post Post #206 (ISO) » Mon Sep 06, 2010 5:53 am

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Post Post #207 (ISO) » Mon Sep 06, 2010 7:54 am

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Must... vote... for someone. But WHO??
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Post Post #208 (ISO) » Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:02 am

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PieMan wrote:Ok First thing, the post reads to me,
BUT If and when you flip town I nominate you as VI.

If you are killed, and when you flip town
And about the inadvertently scummy point I've made. THIS is what was inadvertently suspicious about you Pieman.
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Post Post #209 (ISO) » Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:00 am

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curiouskarmadog wrote:1) you mean this "case"? there isnt a case here?

2) so you want me to go back through each of my posts, to see what you are commenting on?....

3) I have answered some of the questions though..like i am not going to provide my reasoning for pursuing questions against fakegod/charlie...I have my reasoning, and I am noting that you are trying to role fish..you will have to kill me tonight, if you want to find out my role, and I have a feeling you are dying to.

4) if you want me to answer individual questions, please provide the actual quote with the question so everyone can see what you are quoting (and what I am answering) without having to go back to ISO me...I mean, if you really feel that strong about a point, you should have already done that. if there is a case here, it is half ass.

5) Also I request once you quote whatever it is your what me to answer...you also provide 2-3 points to sum up your case...again this shouldnt be an issue if you really want people to believe you think i am scum.

6) personally, i think you are trying to throw shit against the wall to see if it sticks, try harder scum bag.
1) :roll: Of course it isn't. Or you're too lazy to actually defend against yourself and therefore just want to discredit me.
2) I do that in pretty much all of my games. You're supposed to read the case next to your ISO, I mean, hey, I made it next to your ISO, can't you stop being lazy and do the same? Also, I made it easy on you and added the ISO numbers so that you DON'T have to go searching for each question.
3) Again, I did not know it was role-fishing until I asked, which you then called out as role-fishing, which frankly is bullshit. At this point, I would like to know what role-based info you got when this was a DAY start, that is why I told you to claim, because you lying through your teeth. And again, I saw your "breadcrumb" and if that's what you were IF I were scum, I would not kill you, ESPECIALLY if you claimed it because town would have no problem killing you if you didn't get NK'd. None of your "role-fishing" accusation makes sense, therefore CLAIM NOW. because I'm tired of playing this game with you.
4) If you really plan to defend yourself, you can just go back and read yourself in ISO
5) Same request again, read 4. Also, all my points are there and it's really a small case compared to what I normally do, and no one asks for a tl;dr version, especially not the person the case is against because guess what? They actually care to defend themselves.
Also, I'd like to point out that the only times I've ever seen someone not care enough to defend themselves to a PbP (With exactly 1 exception, and they seriously did not give two shits about the game and were only there to mess with the other players... worse than a VI) is when they're scum and the points made against them were good ones.
6) I lol'd
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Post Post #210 (ISO) » Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:01 am

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Tasky wrote:
PieMan wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Tasky

Wont even state why hes voting.
yes, that's true. so what? why exactly is that scummy?
Cuz he hasn't seen you play before? But tasky, it really IS scummy, haven't you realized that yet?

Tazaro wrote:Must... vote... for someone. But WHO??
CKD ;)
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Post Post #211 (ISO) » Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:06 am

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Oh, so its how he plays?

let me bet, he gets voted out a fair number.

@ tasky at the least its anti-town, since there is no case for the accused to explain why you are wrong.
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Post Post #212 (ISO) » Mon Sep 06, 2010 5:58 pm

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PieMan wrote:@ tasky at the least its anti-town, since there is no case for the accused to explain why you are wrong.
I want to see whether you can guess it... after all, pro-town players do scummy things too, so if you were a pro-town player, you could help say what you think you did that could be thought of as scummy.
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Post Post #213 (ISO) » Mon Sep 06, 2010 7:00 pm

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Guessing game? Since when is this a method of scumhunting?
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Post Post #214 (ISO) » Mon Sep 06, 2010 7:33 pm

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Here's how to scumhunt: Wagon on Tasky for scummy unjustified vote!
Vote: Tasky
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Post Post #215 (ISO) » Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:04 pm

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Tazaro wrote:Here's how to scumhunt: Wagon on Tasky for scummy unjustified vote!
Vote: Tasky
:roll: It was a wagon. It's what he does based off of what I've seen of him. Ignore that part, he'll start being an actual player soon enough and then if he's scum you can catch him, the real player to wagon is CKD. Seriously.
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Post Post #216 (ISO) » Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:12 pm

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It's what he does?
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Post Post #217 (ISO) » Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:13 pm

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Tazaro wrote:It's what he does?
Unvote
Yeah, I said that, are you reading?
Explains why you didn't comment on my CKD case
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Post Post #218 (ISO) » Tue Sep 07, 2010 12:46 am

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I agree with Taz. Making the town play guessing games is anti-town. However, defending someone else's scummy actions the way Xite did is equally as scummy. I don't have a lot of data on Tasky at this point, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

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Post Post #219 (ISO) » Tue Sep 07, 2010 1:52 am

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Post Post #220 (ISO) » Tue Sep 07, 2010 2:24 am

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Post Post #221 (ISO) » Tue Sep 07, 2010 4:34 am

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wow... the way of playing on this site really IS dogmatic (it's not just you guys, don't take this personally. I witnessed the same thing in other games too)... you are so fixed with your usual ways of playing that you don't open up to new things...
I know it can be difficult, but try...

well, I won't have much choice but adapt soon.
since you took all the pressure off PieMan, he won't respond the way it would give tells, I'll stop with that thing... (well, actually I just stopped, since I really find Xite scummy and my attack on PieMan was more a response-fishing-thing)


BUT: making the town play guessing games is NOT anti-town...
here some theory behind it:
theory boxwhen confronted with a question where you don't know the "right" answer, a townie will just answer truthfully and say their honest opinion.
a scumbag on the other side, will fear to say something wrong and will have a hard time to decide on a useful guess.
in fact, a mafioso has to be really balanced between saying pro-town things which would then lead to his incrimination (since the original question was to spot scummy things on himself) and disguising the own scumtells. finding a good balance is extremely hard when you know about all the wrong things you did, since you never know whether the other players have already found it (in which case it would be better to say) or not (in which case it would be better to hide it)
playing guessing games is not much about the content of the guess, it's more about the overall reaction.
I think this is one of the few advantages there are in online-mafia over real-life: that you can ask people about their own behavior in a serious way (since even forgotten things can sometimes be found again by a scumhunter who rereads the thread, the balance I described above is much harder to find)
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Post Post #222 (ISO) » Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:24 am

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The theory box is too wonderful to be scum-created.
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Post Post #223 (ISO) » Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:46 am

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Dropping in here to say I'll be too busy to pay attention to this site for one or two days because of lab work.

VOTE: PieMan
Don't know why all the pressure seem to be shifting to others all the sudden.
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Post Post #224 (ISO) » Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:49 am

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brianj wrote:Dropping in here to say I'll be too busy to pay attention to this site for one or two days because of lab work.

VOTE: PieMan
Don't know why all the pressure seem to be shifting to others all the sudden.
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. vote Xite91-scum or die!
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