Mini 1040 - Everyone's A Critic! [Game Over]

[imaginality]

Hi. I'm sorry guys. Was fully expecting to have posted in this game yesterday morning NZ time. But as you might have noticed on the news, a 7.1 earthquake struck right here at 4:30am, and caused a loss of power and a change of plan. I spent most of yesterday manning a helpline.

The good news is our house wasn't significantly damaged structurally (bit of a mess inside though with everything that was on shelves finding its way to the floor!), and I have power back on at home now. I'm aiming to catch up and post this evening.

[kunkstar7]

:: VoteCount 1x9 ::

Antihero (0) -
MagnaofIllusion (0) -

RedCoyote (0) -

danakillsu (2) -

RedCoyote, DavidParker

Jack (1) -

Jack

Haschel Cedricson (1) -

imaginality

LynchMePls (0) -

XScorpion (0) -

Stef (5) -

Haschel Cedricson, Antihero, LynchMePls, mykonian, danakillsu

imaginality (1) -

Stef

mykonian (0) -

DavidParker (2) -

MagnaOfIllusion, Xscorpion

Not Voting (0) -

With 12 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

September 19, 2010 5:00PM EST.

MagnaOfIllusion is currently V/LA through Monday the 6th. No prods are currently needed, but tomorrow may be a different story.

[danakillsu]

@HC
But as we have already stated, expecting me to answer that way is unfair. You did not tell me I had a choice of you shooting anyone, just the choice of whether you would shoot Stef. If you didn't shoot him, I wouldn't know who you were going to shoot, and therefore, since he is likely scum, I would rather you shoot him.
Now, about the actual issue of whether I find him scummy, I already made it patently clear that I do not find him scummy for anything other than his connection to RC, which is glaring. That is why I can say "goodposting" but still want him dead. Please read the thread.

So you are fine with him shooting stef whether you think he is town or not, as long as he shoots no one else? This sounds REALLY scummy.

What about "since he is likely scum" did you not understand? I am NOT fine with him shooting stef regardless, and I don't know where that came from.

[imaginality]

Sorry, it's become clear it won't be possible for me to focus on this game at the moment.

@Mod: Please replace me. My apologies to you, and to the other players.

[LimMePls]

@HC
But as we have already stated, expecting me to answer that way is unfair. You did not tell me I had a choice of you shooting anyone, just the choice of whether you would shoot Stef. If you didn't shoot him, I wouldn't know who you were going to shoot, and therefore, since he is likely scum, I would rather you shoot him.
Now, about the actual issue of whether I find him scummy, I already made it patently clear that I do not find him scummy for anything other than his connection to RC, which is glaring. That is why I can say "goodposting" but still want him dead. Please read the thread.

So you are fine with him shooting stef whether you think he is town or not, as long as he shoots no one else? This sounds REALLY scummy.

What about "since he is likely scum" did you not understand? I am NOT fine with him shooting stef regardless, and I don't know where that came from.

The part about "I do not find him scummy for anything other than his connection to RC". So you have no problems with his play aside from his interactions with RC? So you think that connection to RC is enough to pronounce him scum?

[danakillsu]

@HC
But as we have already stated, expecting me to answer that way is unfair. You did not tell me I had a choice of you shooting anyone, just the choice of whether you would shoot Stef. If you didn't shoot him, I wouldn't know who you were going to shoot, and therefore, since he is likely scum, I would rather you shoot him.
Now, about the actual issue of whether I find him scummy, I already made it patently clear that I do not find him scummy for anything other than his connection to RC, which is glaring. That is why I can say "goodposting" but still want him dead. Please read the thread.

So you are fine with him shooting stef whether you think he is town or not, as long as he shoots no one else? This sounds REALLY scummy.

What about "since he is likely scum" did you not understand? I am NOT fine with him shooting stef regardless, and I don't know where that came from.

The part about "I do not find him scummy for anything other than his connection to RC". So you have no problems with his play aside from his interactions with RC? So you think that connection to RC is enough to pronounce him scum?

Absolutely.

[Antihero]

I hope everything works out well for you, imaginality.

Is anyone here OK with Stef's imaginality vote? If so, why?

[DavidParker]

Well it just seems kinda useless to me...

[RedCoyote]

Sorry to hear that, imaginality. Be safe out there.

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I do not find him scummy for anything other than his connection to RC, which is glaring. That is why I can say "goodposting" but still want him dead.

I cannot believe you are still harping on about this. This is so silly. The obvious, immediate question is, of course, what makes Stef so special? David, mykonian, and HC have all implied, in one way or another, similar good things about my posting. That they think it's more or less on target. What connection does Stef have to me that these players do not? Moreover, don't you find it convenient that Stef, the player with the biggest wagon, happens to be the one player that you decide to vote instead of the three others I've listed? There are no examples as to why Stef should stick out. Your line of reasoning is too vague and too opportunistic for my tastes.

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Is anyone here OK with Stef's imaginality vote? If so, why?

He was voting him before the earthquake. I think it's an acceptable vote, and I explained why previously.

[danakillsu]

Don't you find it interesting that I said I would be happy to have him killed BEFORE I voted for him? So it wasn't just for the wagon, was it? But if you want examples as to why he's different, how about these:

@RC:

That is, he's a more difficult lynch than, say, Antihero or dana, which seem like they may roll over more easily

Why exactly would you try and figure out who is EASIER to lynch? And then you vote for ... dana? God.

RC: So yes, you voted for dana because it was convenient. Basically you were full of it and acted like you knew something you don't just for the sake of posting.

Also, Dana's argument that not posting when everybody else does is a good point, how do you see it as too defensive?

If the things he says here were ever true, they still are. And they are very good points indeed. But he suddenly does this:

I agree with DP that RC's posting lately has greatly improved. I see no reason for my vote to stay where it is at the moment.

Unvote

And not only has he not answered me as to how your posting has improved, he uses his vote simply to "pressure" imaginality to post some content. This looks very much like he thought he could bus you, but when he realized that your wagon wasn't going anywhere, he decided to put his vote somewhere noncontroversial.

[kunkstar7]

Mykonian, Stef, and Xscorpion have been prodded.

A replacement has not been found for imaginality as of yet.

Info edit: Apparently Stef has technical issues.

I slept through my first class. Yay.

[Antihero]

Is anyone here OK with Stef's imaginality vote? If so, why?

He was voting him before the earthquake. I think it's an acceptable vote, and I explained why previously.

I read that, and I still have no idea why you think it's acceptable. If imaginality isn't posting at all, why not just ask for a prod?

[XScorpion]

Ow.

Those lists I made were mostly just to avoid being prodded/replaced and a quasi-attempt of providing input to the game, even if it was generally false and bad input.

This is just awful. If you are worried about being prodded/replaced, just ask for a V/LA.
Voting for lurkers is either a sign of a bad player or scum. Just sayin.'
Dana's vote on Stef feels very forced. I wouldn't be surprised if Dana is just scum bussing at this point because he knows Stef is gonna die.
If Stef or Dana gets lynched today, HC needs another choice of target. I nominate DavidParker. Everyone should give suggestions as to who they think is a good vig target aside from whichever of Dana/Stef survives.
Oh, and please don't end the day until imaginality's replacement does some contribution. I hate when people go hammer-happy and forget that we still have player slots with literally no information.

[LimMePls]

Ow.

Those lists I made were mostly just to avoid being prodded/replaced and a quasi-attempt of providing input to the game, even if it was generally false and bad input.

This is just awful. If you are worried about being prodded/replaced, just ask for a V/LA.
Voting for lurkers is either a sign of a bad player or scum. Just sayin.'
Dana's vote on Stef feels very forced. I wouldn't be surprised if Dana is just scum bussing at this point because he knows Stef is gonna die.
If Stef or Dana gets lynched today, HC needs another choice of target. I nominate DavidParker. Everyone should give suggestions as to who they think is a good vig target aside from whichever of Dana/Stef survives.
Oh, and please don't end the day until imaginality's replacement does some contribution. I hate when people go hammer-happy and forget that we still have player slots with literally no information.

I'm not sure I like the idea of everyone saying who should get vigged. I don't like the idea of hidden scum influencing the shot.

I do agree with your analysis of dana's vote on stef.

[XScorpion]

I think giving vig targets should help determine who is suspicious of who (I highly doubt scum are going to suggest that the vig kill a scumpartner), so that can be helpful after we get some flips.

[LimMePls]

I think giving vig targets should help determine who is suspicious of who (I highly doubt scum are going to suggest that the vig kill a scumpartner), so that can be helpful after we get some flips.

Why do you "highly doubt" that? They have the same motivation as they do bussing partners by voting.

[DavidParker]

Sure they might. I think any pseudo-PR stuff that comes in the open is bad for town and helps scum more.

[XScorpion]

Why do you "highly doubt" that? They have the same motivation as they do bussing partners by voting.

It just doesn't seem to make sense to me when they might as well just offer a townie up instead.

[kunkstar7]

Stef has an indeterminate V/LA while waiting for account reactivation.

[danakillsu]

Oh, sure, my vote on Stef feels forced after post 284. Give it a rest, guys.

[mykonian]

should have told you I was v/la, but I thought I could stay away for one other day without you noticing... Tomorrow I have time again to play. This whole weekend (friday till monday) was just way too much fun to spend time on the internet.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Oh, sure, my vote on Stef feels forced after post 284. Give it a rest, guys.

No, it feels forced after post 259. Post 284 just reads like shoddy retconning.

Antihero is right and RedCoyote is wrong as far as their thoughts on Stef's imaginality vote goes. A single pressure vote this late in the day isn't going to magically make somebody start posting again; prods are the better tool here.

Got back from PAX last night, will go over this weekend with a closer read later.

[danakillsu]

@HC
Why does it feel forced after that? That and 284 are saying the same thing, just 284 is more in-depth. You seriously think I didn't know everything in 284 before posting 259?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Don't have much time right now but will be re-reading dana and RC in the next two RL days. Bed calls me right now.

Let me say for the record - Why are more people not voting for David Parker? My god look at his ISO!

[RedCoyote]

And not only has he not answered me as to how your posting has improved, he uses his vote simply to "pressure" imaginality to post some content. This looks very much like he thought he could bus you, but when he realized that your wagon wasn't going anywhere, he decided to put his vote somewhere noncontroversial.

What's this? You've actually tried to explain yourself? Now I could be cruel and say that David arguably said a very similar thing, but I won't do that. I want to hear what Stef has to say about the game, because I think he's back.