Mini 1038 - Inception (Day One Archive)

[Data]

Ooba-

What about BloodCovenant has changed to make you remove your "serious vote" on him? Is Switz scummier than BC? Why?

[ooba]

Ooba-

What about BloodCovenant has changed to make you remove your "serious vote" on him? Is Switz scummier than BC? Why?

I find preemptive over-defensiveness to be a much better scumtell than BC's unvote.

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Nothing about my claim or are you still processing that info?

[Data]

Ooba-

What about BloodCovenant has changed to make you remove your "serious vote" on him? Is Switz scummier than BC? Why?

I find preemptive over-defensiveness to be a much better scumtell than BC's unvote.

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Nothing about my claim or are you still processing that info?

Ah. We disagree on aspects of theory, then. In the early portions of the game I believe the best course of action is to stay on a leading wagon until I am satisfied with the reaction of the person whose wagon I am on, or until another more powerful wagon has shown up (and is thus more likely to draw tells).

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There is a human saying that I believe applies here: "The jury is still out on that one."

I see no reason to believe nor disbelieve your claim at this time. It is irrelevant except to any cop-type roles that might exist. We must judge your words and actions and decide if you are gambiting scum or not from them, just like we must make that decision regarding everyone else in the game.

[ooba]

Ah. We disagree on aspects of theory, then. In the early portions of the game I believe the best course of action is to stay on a leading wagon until I am satisfied with the reaction of the person whose wagon I am on, or until another more powerful wagon has shown up (and is thus more likely to draw tells).

Ah. I am not dropping my suspicious of BC - if I feel his reactions are scummier than my current tell on switz.

I also realized that we have ultra short deadlines this game ...
6 days to go and "If there is no majority at deadline, there will be no lynch for that day.".
Iece, Data and Anon give me town vibes. I will not advocate a lynch on them today.

- Chrono's page one play gave me a "Too reckless to be scum" vibe. - Neutral to town category
- bv is active elsewhere on the site. Neutral since it really is a playstyle thing but he should post here too. (esp. with the short deadline)
- Tb's rolefishing is neutral to bad.
- If Almaster is scum, manho is town.

BC and switz are my current top picks. If everyone comes to play, we can start moving towards a lynch ..

[ooba]

ebwop: if I feel his reactions are scummier than my current tell on switz, then I'll vote him again.

[AlmasterGM]

Miller claim means we just analyze dayplay, amirite? Yesh.

manho is fine.

Anon's arguments are bad. Saying scumtells are now towntells because scum would never do them is 1) bad on face because it lets scum get away with behavior that hurts town, and 2) it's just not true.

Unvote. Vote: anon

[Anon]

Trying to build a mountain out of a molehill here anon.

The first was saying hi.

The second was exactly as intended. Speculation, given movie flavour, at what roles may or may not be in the game. It was

not

intended for anyone to claim, to confirm/deny that said role existed. Therefore, not rolefishing.

UNVOTE: Data
VOTE: Anon

Im not building a mountain out of a molehill, mr Chronopie. My vote is as serious as it can get.

My case is: Why did you post that your playstyle is scummy? What was your motivation for doing htat?

And how is listing a lot of names and roles help the town at all? How did you expect people to react to it?

[Anon]

Manho is TOWN because he IS NOT scared of what people think about him. He votes whoever he thinks is scum. He unvotes whoever he thinks is town. He doesnt care if people see him as a votehopper.

Chronopie is SCUM because he IS scared of what people think about him. His first post was dedicated to stablish the precedent that he IS a scummy player and that we should acept that as his playstyle. Scummy. His second post was dedicated to appear helpful by trying to speculate about the setup with no SOLID evidence and adding a wikipedia link.

Is Data scummy because he urged us to accept his playstyle?

No because his playstyle doenst give him a free pass if he acts scummy, contrary to Chrono's.

[Anon]

I am a Miller.

Which role from the movie did you get?

Why are you asking this?

PS: Miller claim: nulltell. Treat as normal player. If he acts scummy, lynch. If he doesnt, dont lynch. Cops, of course, shouldnt investigate him.

[Anon]

Miller claim means we just analyze dayplay, amirite? Yesh.

manho is fine.

Anon's arguments are bad. Saying scumtells are now towntells because scum would never do them is 1) bad on face because it lets scum get away with behavior that hurts town, and 2) it's just not true.

Unvote. Vote: anon

Your reason to vote me is one of the reasons of why town loses so many games in this site. Tells do help, but what you REALLY gives you the scum in this game are the motivations. Thats why I think chrono is scum. Because I can't find a town motivation for what he did but I CAN find a scum motivation for it. (saying that he is always scummy so that he can shut off any case whit that and trying to be helpful with an unnecessary list so that he gets a nice impression)

Also, why are you calling manho fine if he is commiting one of the typical scumtells: vote hoping?

FInal also, you havent commented on my chrono's case. Please do so.

[Chronopie]

Trying to build a mountain out of a molehill here anon.

The first was saying hi.

The second was exactly as intended. Speculation, given movie flavour, at what roles may or may not be in the game. It was

not

intended for anyone to claim, to confirm/deny that said role existed. Therefore, not rolefishing.

UNVOTE: Data
VOTE: Anon

Im not building a mountain out of a molehill, mr Chronopie. My vote is as serious as it can get.

My case is: Why did you post that your playstyle is scummy? What was your motivation for doing htat?

And how is listing a lot of names and roles help the town at all? How did you expect people to react to it?

a) Because it's true. So people know.

b) Because If I'm right, one of those roles on the list is [redacted], people should have observed that I was prematurely setup speculating, and think, "He's Setup speculating on D1." ofc I want Scum to see it and think "OSHI, he may be right on the Usurper" and kill themselves off.

[manho]

unvote, vote: chrono

[BloodCovenent]

i've just been swamped with work and school. will do my absolute best to post after work tomorrow.

~posting this in all my games.

[BloodCovenent]

Ok.... work sucks.... content tomorrow hopefully.

Mod: V/LAish till tuesday.

Real sorry guys

[Data]

I find myself not particularly swayed from my BloodCovenant vote thus far.

@MOD: Prods on bv310, Iecerint, Seraphim, and Switz please. None of them have posted since the first.

There is scum in these lurkers. I am certain of it.

[Switz]

Sorry, guys, I just got back into school and it's kicking my ass harder than it should. I'm going to be out of town for the rest of the weekend anyways so hopefully this'll give me a chance to get back into the swing of things.

Mod: V/LA until Wednesday

[Chronopie]

I have a group (verbal) presentation to work on over the next week. Semi-V/LA. Shouldn't make too much difference to this game, seeing as it's early days.

[Iecerint]

I'm following the thread. Nothing has changed my opinion that BC is the best vote. Slow game.

Will be on the lake today, but I'll try to post something substantive tonight.

[ooba]

I think we now have 4 days to deadline ..

Unvote. Vote: BC

[manho]

I think we now have 4 days to deadline ..

Unvote. Vote: BC

we have this short day???

[bv310]

Will be on the lake today, but I'll try to post something substantive tonight.

Same here.

[TonyMontana]

Don't mistake a poorly designed game for a bastard one.

Vote Count Two

L-4

BloodCovenent

- Iecerint, Data, ooba

L-5

anon

- Chronopie, AlmasterGM
L-5

Chronopie

- anon, manho
L-6

manho

- Seraphim
L-6

AlmasterGM

- tuberkulos
L-6

ooba

- Switz
L-6

Switz

- bv310

Not Voting

- BloodCovenent

Prodding:

bv310, seraphim and Tuberkulos

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline in about 3 days, 5 hours and 30 minutes

[Seraphim]

ugh, I'm honestly brain shot right now. Lemme read back through all of this and see what I can do.

[manho]

3 days from deadline?

unvote, vote: BC

[ooba]

I think we now have 4 days to deadline ..

Unvote. Vote: BC

we have this short day???

I'm guessing its got something to do with the fact that lynches may or may not permanently kill the player - May move the player up a dream level or to limbo ..