1025 Tarot Mafia (Over!)

[DTMaster]

Says the guy who just unvoted. /snarkyness

Leashing is always a risk, and Switz can play his other card in the mean time if he was scum (slight down side to the plan). But IHMO if you can role confirm/control someone, we're good despite any downsides to emperor. This also confirms the theory that: multiple of the same cards are in play. UK's suspicion of any Death users is more warranted now.

[DTMaster]

Actually Ythill: I'm contrasting these two statements.

Switz: Damnit, I don't want the Emperor played today, like I already said. It probably will not matter anyway,

because it will not go into affect until night and, with you being dead,

it may not have any effect at all. I'm wondering if I should change my plans and keep you alive to play it...

WTF? I stopped pushing it as soon as he claimed his cards.

Note that I can only confirm the Emperor card. And I'm still not sure leashing him is a good idea. The Emperor has a decent chance of hurting the town no matter how he plays it and, if we set ourselves up against it, it will have no benefit. I know that probably doesn't make sense ATM, but to explain in detail would be anti-town. (BTW, some of this is speculation on my part, but it is based on solid facts.)

You want Swtiz dead. Nice. But you stopped pushing on him how again? Read the parts in bold.

Unvote, Vote Ythill

[MacavityLock]

Really, ML? You're going to suggest that it is in my best interests to help scum?

When did I suggest that? Immediately after his claim, you don't question him at all, just talk to him as if he is town.

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Mac:

I already did. Make my cookie penut-butter chocolate chip, please.

Now

you're

twisting. What you pointed out was a question, one that's no more loaded than any other that people have asked in this game.

In the case of the Emperor,

it doesn't matter what Switz's alignment is

and him using it as directed is entirely verifiable (by me) overnight.

What do you mean by that?

[UncertainKitten]

This game is getting confusing. Quite honestly, that's one hell of a contradiction from Ythill that DT pointed out, and it kinda surprises me given my town read of him I've had for most of this game...I'm not sure what to think, really.

[StrangerCoug]

Really, ML? You're going to suggest that it is in my best interests to help scum?

When did I suggest that? Immediately after his claim, you don't question him at all, just talk to him as if he is town.

You accused me of not taking the possibility that Switz is a Mafia roleblocker into account. I answered his question assuming he is town for a very good reason: if he's scum, my opinion only matters to him if I am his buddy.

[dramonic]

Today's Card: Death

Reckoner (1): Capn
Switz (4): MacavityLock, Reck, UK, Jarti
Jarti (3): Kise, StrangerCoug, Ani
Ythill (1): DTMaster

Not Voting (3): Mitsuru, Switz, Ythill

Ani and Capn are prodded.

With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.
Deadline is the 5th or so

[Capn]

Goddamn-it! I, Prox, will take over this slot, then...

[xRECKONERx]

We are coming up on deadline and Switz isn't dead yet
wtf

[Jarti]

ythill if switz ain't the play vote who you think is

we can still go uk (or ani) if you want

KISE I WOULD FOLLOW YOU IF YOU WEREN'T VOTING ME SO I HAVE TO SETTLE FOR FOLLOWING XREX

zzz

[xRECKONERx]

I'm a good person to sheep
cuz I'm sheeping Ythill
together we form one giant townie man train

[Switz]

As much as the contradiction in Ythill's posts that DTM points out makes sense, pushing a Ythill lynch is probably not the way to go today. I'm totally fine with saying he hasn't been acting as entirely protown as a lot of others seem to think he is, but if he's scum, he's stretching way out on a limb with all this flavor/role knowledge claiming, and we can eventually catch him in contradictions like that one. But I'm okay to let him make it until tomorrow, at the very least. Give him enough rope and he'll strangle himself with it.

I'm also going to

Vote: UncertainKitten

, cause she seems the most plausible scum after a quick reread. Aside from the meta-y elements others pointed out earlier in the game, she's also been really hesitant to provide any sort of solid opinion, as evidenced by her last post in particular, where she says both that DTM's evidence shows "one hell of a contradiction" but then follows it up by implicitly reasserting her town read on Ythill. The only time she deviates from this is when she backs into a stance against me. She starts unwilling to "take a stance til something is said with scum intent," then says she's waiting for me to address her concern(s) (of which there was really only one), and then votes for me just because there were less votes on me than she thought. Not actually because she "took a stance."

Also, I think regardless of what I should do with the Emperor, I should use the Hierophant tonight, because it's more useful and more easily confirmable. If you need me to claim it entirely because you want to direct me, I will, otherwise I can just aim it secretly so scum doesn't get any sort of heads up and clue you in in the morning.

[xRECKONERx]

ITT Switz busses UK

[MacavityLock]

Really, ML? You're going to suggest that it is in my best interests to help scum?

When did I suggest that? Immediately after his claim, you don't question him at all, just talk to him as if he is town.

You accused me of not taking the possibility that Switz is a Mafia roleblocker into account. I answered his question assuming he is town for a very good reason:

if he's scum, my opinion only matters to him if I am his buddy.

That's not true at all. If he's scum, he could use it for buddying, or could use it to set you up. Not considering that is either scummy or very short-sighted.

I'm still pro-Switz getting lynched.

[StrangerCoug]

Really, ML? You're going to suggest that it is in my best interests to help scum?

When did I suggest that? Immediately after his claim, you don't question him at all, just talk to him as if he is town.

You accused me of not taking the possibility that Switz is a Mafia roleblocker into account. I answered his question assuming he is town for a very good reason:

if he's scum, my opinion only matters to him if I am his buddy.

That's not true at all. If he's scum, he could use it for buddying, or could use it to set you up. Not considering that is either scummy or very short-sighted.

I'm still pro-Switz getting lynched.

I was speaking only in terms of the actual roleblocking, so the latter makes a better accusation of me here.

Still want Jarti gone, though I'm not above voting Switz. Seriously, UncertainKitten is not a viable lynch right now. Why stall?

[UncertainKitten]

Well, Switz is at the least terrible at this game. I've hung back a lot in recent games because I wanted to wait for something juicy.

I love how you talk about these "mysterious meta things" without citing them as well.

Case is trash. NEXT!

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

I'm all for a Switz lynch, personally.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, if Ythill has magical confirmation powers, even a stupid confirmed townie is better than a dead one...

But if Ythill's powers are suspect, as has been demonstrated by DT, either is a good lynch, really.

I want Ythill to reply to DT, to be honest. I know, he's on V/LA.

[xRECKONERx]

Is Kise even in this game?

[MacavityLock]

Well, if Ythill has magical confirmation powers, even a stupid confirmed townie is better than a dead one...

But if Ythill's powers are suspect, as has been demonstrated by DT, either is a good lynch, really.

Yth has so far said something about "it doesn't matter what alignment he is", which is disturbing in itself, but it more suggests to me that Yth has power-confirming powers, not town-confirming powers. Which is why I remain onboard for the Switz lynch.

[UncertainKitten]

That's actually mildly understandable. But it seems Ythill thinks he can confirm death as town no matter what, so it doesn't gel very well...

[Kise]

ITT Switz busses UK

But only because Jarti bussed him first. It's a domino effect.

Waiting for Ythill's response sounds good. That way I can stay on XBL. Yes Reck, I'm in this game and wishing Jarti would act more obvscum so we could lynch him and move on to his partners who will probably be investigated in some manner and exposed D2 and with any luck the remaining scum (assuming this isn't mountainous) will be vigged/SKed.

Do I need to fake a daycop result on Jarti or what? Nobody Special made that slip pre-game. Tunnel vision is deserved. <3 you though, Jarti.

[Ythill]

Still no internet access at home so this is just a quick check-in. I will vote when I get back, still okay with a UK or Mac lynch. Willing to hammer Switz if enough people want him gone but I think we should leash the Emperor.

This also confirms the theory that: multiple of the same cards are in play.

No it doesn't. At least not in any way that I can grok. Explain?

OMG, DTM caught Yth contradicting!

There is no contradiction. Read DTM's bolded parts again. I stopped

pushing his lynch

the moment he claimed his cards. The second quote is my immediate reaction to the claim and I still hadn't thought it through, but I certainly wasn't rallying anyone. Look at my earlier posts to see what pushing looks like.

Well, if Ythill has magical confirmation powers...

I do not. I can only confirm the Emperor in that I can make sure he targeted it as ordered, and only then because I know what questions to ask tomorrow. Confirming Death's alignment is based on different information. I may explain in more detail in the future if I'm still alive.

[DTMaster]

Apologize. I seem to lost my draft :<. Was editing it since I made it at 3 am. I'll re post a new one in the near future.

Immediate responses.

Ythill, both you and Switz claimed Emperor.

Switz play Emperor tonight to how you see fit

. Ythill, confirm Switz uses emperor.

If you can confirm Switz used Emperor

, boom multiple cards of the same arcana are in play. If there is a contradiction in claims, then boom we caught scum.

Mod I vote yes to a 1 week deadline extension

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Leashing Switz but OKING his lynch defeats the purpose of the leash. Everyone on this wagon is gaining scum points for

not pointing why leashing him is less of a priority then lynching Switz. This is terrible

[DTMaster]

Ythill, the moment you stopped pushing on Switz was when you unvoted. You still played with the idea of Switz lynch up to that point even if you were reconsidering how to handle the claim. The post before the vote had you on : Lynch Switz mode. That is not stopping your push Ythill. You said the "claim doesn't matter and the effects of Emperor doesn't matter (most likely, as you are unsure if it'll work if he does die) if

he was going to be dead.

Oh wait maybe you should reevaulate your plans. After you mostly judge him to be dead.

You've stopped attacking Switz directly. You didn't stop pushing for his death. You only stopped after with the unvote, then now with the leash plan. Your actions =/= the intent of your post.

In fact to reduce errors (my above plan is quite bad now that I think about it) Direct Switz

only to a pool of people and confirm said target from the pool of people. Then we will judge.

[DTMaster]

1. Switz confirm if also if Emperor is only night action.