Mini 1041: Wheel of Fortune Mafia (Game over!)

[PieMan]

VOTE: animorpherv1 because I can

[PieMan]

aw I didnt see any rule against it.

[PieMan]

Yeh rvs never seemed to be very valuable to me, but lets see if we can get something rolling, what would you say would be the fastest way to start things rolling right?

I use vote tags, since its just easier for me.

and xite why is random voting in this stage from everyone so important?

[PieMan]

ok VOTE: Charlie

If you can show evidence that this is what you do im willing to remove my vote(cite only finished games)

@charlie do you always straight up claim you have a crap role? this is bad for town, very bad for town. Fakegod, why r u guys telling your power levels?

Like crap, this whole page, just screams bad in like two different directions, those asking powers and those telling them.

[PieMan]

Charlie, FakeGod why does either of you think it was a good idea, to out that if you are town, you are essentially the worse role, minus VT

Yabba, why push it further and try to discern anymore of their roles, when more info about everyone's roles, at this point is detrimental.

[PieMan]

Im not asking your role im asking your intention, cause you just made it way harder on any big role we may have.

what contradiction?

[PieMan]

dont worry about answering that FG, I hope you guys know what your doing, but I seriously dont think that was a good play by you guys.

[PieMan]

Heres my biggest problem with thinking only one of them is mafia.

Im willing to say neither of them could be,

but im also willing to say they both are mafia

it just doesnt seem necessary for one to be maf and the other to not be, for some weird strat or power or w/e

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Someone asked, while I was in no internet mode. Yabba, looked bad for a little bit there, but he also backed off, and I didnt notice anything else bad from him, with my catch up read. Thought Im a little wondering, since I dont think I saw anything from him. Hes someone I wonder about, but there is no way id lynch him right now with what we have. I dont like Charlie and FakeGod, there is so many things that could be wrong there, I cant remember, but this is a slightly bastard modded game right? Beyond their claim they have not done anything bad, plus they may be able to help the game in a great way, with them being alive, and so even though Im not happy about that situation, I think it just needs to be left to sit, and see.

Brian, hes still pushing for the entirty of their roles, I dont like this at all. He is running for this information on the basis, that one of them must be the bankrupt, this way at looking at the game could be highly fallacious. ( In my last game the scum were virus's, one was a Blu Ray disc Player, game ran by Strangercoug)He also does not realize they did give out some critical information. And Im a little confused about why he railed Yabba earlier, and is now requesting the entire role.


UNVOTE:
VOTE: Brianj

[PieMan]

@ charlie If you read the flavor text it was the blu ray drive that housed the virus, or something like that. I guess he left a cd in.
@xite grats on the approaching baby.

and whats a VI?

[PieMan]

charlie, could you reiterate your last statement, I dont like it.

[PieMan]

Im going to assume, your voting me for my last post, which no one realized was in reference to a statement by Charlie, that was worded very strangely, and suggests that Charlie may know more than he has said, about the alignment of players, beyond FG and Himself.

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http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 9#p2490919
p113 He expresses the knowledge that Xite is town.

That is what, im referring to.

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@brianj what do you mean by terrible? If its that I write terrible, I have been slowly trying to make more sense to the community, though im not so sure I have done a great job at it.

[PieMan]

@xite, charlie, says when and if you flip town, ie it reads as if he knows you are town.

[PieMan]

Ok First thing, the post reads to me,
BUT If and when you flip town I nominate you as VI.

If you are killed, and when you flip town

@tacsky Im not doing your work for you, either cite your reason, or I find your actions very scummy and vote worthy.

p64 Youll notice I tend to do that when arguments come up that have multiple ways of looking at it and there breaks out some sort of fight. Youll also note I stated, that I believed a maf/town pair was unlikely from my view, unlike how you wrote it out.

p136 I wouldnt say im bad at english, just that people suck at understanding the way I type, but either way I broke down what charlie said above.

p58 I realised there was no way they could satisfy my questions without giving me information, that could hurt us.

@Brain You did state that you were looking for a full role claim in post 3 of yours.

[PieMan]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Tasky

Wont even state why hes voting.

[PieMan]

@Reckamonic, why is it scummy to vote for someone who is not saying why he is voting for that person?

[PieMan]

@tazaro So your saying that most of why I come off as scum to people, in past games, is that Im voting for people who are being anti-town, not scummy?

[PieMan]

Oh, so its how he plays?

let me bet, he gets voted out a fair number.

@ tasky at the least its anti-town, since there is no case for the accused to explain why you are wrong.

[PieMan]

@tasky I find your theory box to be flawed, personally I bet you will get way more opposition from any group, than your current theory suggests, though with some work, possibly in how you present it, it does have possibilities. Even though I find it wrong, it still seems to be a theory that I will probably tinker with in the future, and in fact seems very correct for in person games, which are based highly on emotional tells, and the speeds of votes and such.
UNVOTE: tasky

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@xite, Can you explain that last part again, it does not make as much sense to me, as it appears to you. I understand that he apparently lied about it being a new technique, its a little different since it seems to involve everyone, instead of just two people, but w/e its not this game.

could you explain the wagoning thing, I did see the trying to get brian to vote for you, but ive come to terms that that is a thing people do on this site, and as much as it should be discouraged, I have to deal with it.

@tazaro are you seriously voting xite, because he thinks/thought the theory box was a crafted lie? Its entirely possible that it is, I wouldnt put my money on it, but it is flawed, and he has used a similar theory before, so I would think it should be less flawed than it is.

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Im trying to get what exactly you mean by wagonning, thats the part im missing, apparently your terminology does not match my terminology.

I also dont get how this meta makes him more likely to be scum, unless I missed a game there, he was town in them all.

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@CKD Is it possible for you to address how you know them to be town based on the answering of the role not saying town, but something similar? Like what does yours say, or why would it say something different, just something to explain why you would hammer at that for that long. Yes, I know based on the wording of your role, somethign that explains it, but my role says townie, so there should be some way you can explain this.

@xite if CKD can answer the above question in such a way that makes sense I would say your original reasons for voting him, are wrong, not scummy, but wrong.

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Well, I thinks its only right, if you believe your going to be lynched to leave us with your thoughts, I dont remember any specific post about guppy, and really I only remember yabba being scumy near the beginning of the game. Just basically, a nice post of whos bad and why would be nice. -especially since i think you just got lynched-

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@Fakegod I would say your analysis is the most possible way things played out, unless we have a vig, who was stupid, I dont see much of any other way.

@tazaro I have to agree with Yabba, you have seemed oddly scummy, and now somehow you see me as mafia again, though I dont know of much that has really changed, since then, except for the death of xite.

VOTE: Tazaro

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1. how likely to you think it is, that it was not Charlies fault that CKD died? (e.g that there was a vig or a SK)
2. why didn't you vote Xite yesterday?
3. why didn't you vote at all yesterday after unvoting me?
4. what would you say if I now announced that that whole theory box of mine is a lie and that I do not believe a word of it?

1 I would say maybe 10% there are 7 people unaccounted for with an assumed 3 maf, that leaves 4 townies.
we had, 4 power roles, so a vig I think is unlikely unless we also had a SK, but I seriously doubt that set-up. We could have a lone sk, but I think as an sk I would have went with someone who was less likely to have pressure on them later.
2 He didnt really seem that scummy to me.
3 There at the beginning, I was really just lost, then Taz told me to vote, so I felt less like voting, and I saw that the xite wagon was probably headed, so I knew no voting but against him, would really do much of anything.
4 I would be confused, since you have used a similar theory before, but I dont think it would completely surprise me, since you do seem to have a different methodology to playing.

[PieMan]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Prof. Guppy

after rereading through his iso, I am inclined to believe that he is not voting in a pro-town fashion, and find his comments relating to xite suspect, in how he sees him as town, and yet votes for him multiple times. It is of my opinion that something does not add up.

[PieMan]

Originally I did not see the oddity of his voting, but when I went back, I could see that his attitude of voting did not make logical sense to me.

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@CSL Can you explain that question more closely, Im not for sure anyone is going to understand it.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Oman

He was defending Guppy from the beginning, help throw fire to build up a competing wagon, and tried to shoot down the Guppy wagon, by saying it looked scum driven.

[PieMan]

@Taz could you explain why Yabba is prolly town, and why the other two are likely maf.

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@Taz its a little wifomy to look at it that way, but I can see the possible sincerity.

Could you go into more detail on their opportunism, also you didnt vote OMAN, why not?

@CSL why is Taz mafioso?

@Reck, any more detail to add as why taz is maf?

@Yabba why the vote for Taz verse reck, and more importantly why is Reck possible maf?