Mini 1033 - Paradise Mafia: Over

[Ellibereth]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/search.p ... 4&sr=posts
^^^^
GODDAMN, SO IS THIS GUY.

[Friend]

god I totally forgot he was in this game

[pacman281292]

Gah. It's really really hard to read thru all the bickering war and screampost fluff around there.
I'm making a more dedicated reread tomorrow, sorry.
@LMP: I found in your ISO:
ISO0: RVS
ISO1: RVS, REDTAIL WAGON IS GO!
ISO2:

This is fascinating. The wagon on you didn't start because you "haven't produced any content", so why do you act like that is what you're being attacked for? The wagon started because of your "is this a policy lynch" statement on page 1 followed by your terrible flailing in response to the pressure SpyreX generated on you.

Is this your reasoning?
*does not compute*
redtail's wagon pages 1-2 was just nonsense at RVS. Then, he misthinks it's a policy lynch (nulltell) and you just pile up on him for that??
Also, "his terrible flailing in response to the pressure SpyreX generated"? I can't see that either. I see him as confused noobtown or noobnull at worst.
*ahem*
ISO3: Reason is obv.
ISO4: We're 24 hours into the game, so we don't need content. BZZZZT TRY AGAIN.
ISO5: I think you refer to MS's meta here...
ISO6: "MS is acting according to meta"
ISO7: I first think that redtail's wagon is for him not contributing (I admit, that read was biased because of the post where he said it was for that. That post is wrong, but still your reasoning for the wagon is fail). Then you FoS me for misinterpreting.
I think this post cleans that, no?
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So your reasoning for voting redtail is entirely within ISO2. And it isn't enough strong IMO.
Sorry, but you didn't convince me of jumping into the wagon. Meh.

[pacman281292]

EBWOP:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/search.p ... 4&sr=posts
^^^^
GODDAMN, SO IS THIS GUY.

HEY ELLI U SEEM TO BE RIGHT...
BUT MIGHT U CONTRIBUTE INSTEAD OF POINTING OUT THA LURKERS? PLZ?

[Ellibereth]

MASSACRING LURKER SCUM = CONTRIBUTING

[TheButtonmen]

Unvote; Vote: Pacman281292

@Friend:

I like the cut of your jib.

@Elli:

Why is Nexus town, don't get me wrong I don't want him dead at the moment but what gives you the warm fuzzies from him?

Redtail still hasn't voted or done anything beyond defending himself all game, this disturbs me. However I find Pacmans ISO even worse all he's done is defend Redtail and still hasn't moved his vote from the very first post.

[TheButtonmen]

MASSACRING LURKER SCUM = CONTRIBUTING

QFT.

Also I appear to have forgotten Shotty was in the game.....

@Mod:

Can we get a round of prods?

[Friend]

Then, he misthinks it's a policy lynch (nulltell) and you just pile up on him for that??

Try again?

[SpyreX]

Holy hell game gone for a few days and this is what I get.

LETS PLAY A GAME

THIS GROUP:
Elli
Friend
LMP
SpyreX

IS TOWN AND AWESOME. A MURDER DEATH PACT WITH TWO SECRET MEMBERS MAY BE HAPPENING. IT IS TIME.

I still like Red a lot a lot but TEAM MEGA LURKING SWINGNELLY needs to get back in because one of (but probably not both) shotty / cloud are scum.

Further AND I HATE SAYING THIS but don't be so quick to pish-posh lmp. ESEPCIALLY with Nexus's response. Chances of scum together? Marginal. Chance of Nexus scum increasing? Dramatically. Conundrum: that would mean Red may not be scum and we may need to turn this piggy around.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

I disagree with your town list.

Like so

Unvote
Vote: LMP

[Midnight's Sorrow]

Conundrum: that would mean

Red may not be scum

and we may need to turn this piggy around.

This may be hard to understand, but for anyone paying [i[half[/i] as much attention to this game as needed, have already been remotely aware that this is a possibility. In fact, far more likely a event of happenstance.

[Fate]

I have to prod people in a BaM game?
Damn, and here I thought my bloodlust would be sated.

[Dekes]

First off, guys, I've already mistaken two of you for girls because of your avatars. Would you please man up an get some masculine avat...wait, is that a girl watching the sunset in my avatar?...eh, never mind then.

A lot of bickering going on on the last pages.
I do agree with Elli (and whoever's on board) in that the lurkers' have to be looked into. Though I'd like to differentiate between shotty and cloud here. I've yet to see Shotty intentionally lurking. He could still very well be scum but he's ignored one other of my games and I don't think he'd use lurking as a strategy. Plus, he's unvoted before he left so what's there to gain for lurking scum here, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt unlike cloudocean.
He voted for redtail based solely on the fact, that redtail didn't produce any content (which has been agreed to be a whacky reason 24 hours into the game), then pretty much disappeared. Only popped in twice afterwards for two one-liners.
My guess: Scum observing if the redtail-wagon is going off, then keeping a low profile. Supported by the fact that he kept his vote on redtail and has been active on this forums since his last post in this thread.
I would vote him (again), if he weren't due for a prod. He first needs

mod's

attention and then our attention.

Redtail, now that you're at L-3 (since Shotty unvoted,

mod

apparently has missed this), you can stop defending yourself and might wanna share your suspiciouns with us.

[pacman281292]

Then, he misthinks it's a policy lynch (nulltell) and you just pile up on him for that??

Try again?

I give up. Why was it?

@TBM: Bad case is bad. I tried to show why the case on red sucked (altough I made it starting from a false assumtion, that is IMO clear now), then I started discussiong with LMP about that.
Elli has been spamming out the most of time, reason why I kept my RVS vote. If you wanted to confirm me as obvtown by hammering redtail, sorry but I prefer being not-so-obvtown and not hammering someone I'm not convinced that is scum.

I hate games where you don't scumhunt but rather call anyone who agrees with your death pact obvtown. Because when you oppose it, you get wagoned for voting an "obvtown".
I hate those lists. Scrub them off.
ALSO WHERE DID SHOTTY GO IF HE DOESN'T COME BACK HE WILL BE MURDERED BY AWESOMEMOD AND THAT WILL SUCK...

[Friend]

Shotty mentioned something about being VLA for surgery in another game I believe.

MURDER DEATH PACT is a go as everyone in your town list is pretty blatantly town. Pacman's just bitter he's not in it.

Oh yeah pacman, we didn't pile up on him for "thinking it was a policy lynch." We (or at least I) piled up on him because he was trying to stop us from questioning and voting MS about his accusation that LMP's vote was policy.

[LimMePls]

Gah. It's really really hard to read thru all the bickering war and screampost fluff around there.
I'm making a more dedicated reread tomorrow, sorry.
@LMP: I found in your ISO:
ISO0: RVS
ISO1: RVS, REDTAIL WAGON IS GO!
ISO2:

This is fascinating. The wagon on you didn't start because you "haven't produced any content", so why do you act like that is what you're being attacked for? The wagon started because of your "is this a policy lynch" statement on page 1 followed by your terrible flailing in response to the pressure SpyreX generated on you.

Is this your reasoning?
*does not compute*
redtail's wagon pages 1-2 was just nonsense at RVS. Then, he misthinks it's a policy lynch (nulltell) and you just pile up on him for that??
Also, "his terrible flailing in response to the pressure SpyreX generated"? I can't see that either. I see him as confused noobtown or noobnull at worst.
*ahem*
ISO3: Reason is obv.
ISO4: We're 24 hours into the game, so we don't need content. BZZZZT TRY AGAIN.
ISO5: I think you refer to MS's meta here...
ISO6: "MS is acting according to meta"
ISO7: I first think that redtail's wagon is for him not contributing (I admit, that read was biased because of the post where he said it was for that. That post is wrong, but still your reasoning for the wagon is fail). Then you FoS me for misinterpreting.
I think this post cleans that, no?
.
.
.

So your reasoning for voting redtail is entirely within ISO2. And it isn't enough strong IMO.
Sorry, but you didn't convince me of jumping into the wagon. Meh.

My ISO is 18 posts long, and most of them past ISO7 deal with redtail. Why did you stop at post 7? Also why do you say my reasoning is entirely in ISO2, when I specifically spell out what happened that caused my vote in ISO7 (with some clarifying in the following posts). Also, even redtail admits that I'm one of the people on his wagon that have actually explained why. If he can see it, why can't you?

I don't know what's up with cloudocean's lurking, but I don't think he is scum. As for shotty, I've heard him say that he was having surgery this weekend, so maybe that's why he isn't here. That said, I dunno why he didn't say so in this game.

I'm 100% in agreement with the death brigade from SpyreX.

Redtail is still scum, but apparently the wagon has lost all its steam. I'm thinking this might be a good place to go from here:

Unvote
Vote: Pacman

If there is a vig, would you please shoot one of MS/shotty? I would love you forever.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Hey guys sorry, I thought I posted my V/La here too, well anyway surgery kicked my ass, so i will have limitted access for a week or two

Vote Elli

I'll explain later after my morphone kicks in

[Midnight's Sorrow]

When someone votes someone because they think them bad players...that usually constitutes being a policy vote. Whihc is the reason LPM gave when he first voted.

So when I asked that question, it was good one. Sorry~

[SpyreX]

Here's my nexus issues in a nutshell:

Aw crap. I didn't notice/realise that. Obviously if I was in a scumteam with redtail, I would choose my wording more carefully, because that is quite an easy thing to pick up on.

Someone explain to me how this works as town. I need it.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

Maybe he was being sarcastic?

[Nexus]

Maybe he was being sarcastic?

I was. I was pointing out what a ridiculous thing it was to pick up on.

I mean seriously, it's taking clutching at straws to the extreme. I mean, I bet I could go through the thread, and find similarities in how different people say the same thing. Does that make them scum teams too?

[SpyreX]

No.

Aw crap. I didn't notice/realise that.

Obviously if I was in a scumteam with redtail, I would choose my wording more carefully, because that is quite an easy thing to pick up on.

Explain to me how and in what world that is "sarcasm" in any measure.

Unvote, Vote: Nexus

[Nexus]

Are you insane?

I was pointing out that it was quite an obvious thing to pick up on. If I was scum, I would make more of an effort to differentiate myself from redtail, because that's stupid using the same way of speaking.

[Nexus]

OH CRAP. You and Elli both said MURDER DEATH PACT.

That must make you both scum too.

OMGOMGOMGOMG.

T_T

[Nexus]

*EBWOP

You and Friend. Fail.