Mini 1040 - Everyone's A Critic! [Game Over]

[Antihero]

VOTE: jelly jiggler

For having a username I can't say with a straight face.

[Antihero]

I don't see wrong as scummy here

True, if anything is suspicious on Stef's part here, it would be trying to start a distracting, stupid theory debate. Preview Edit: Stef backed off, never mind.

Speaking of distracting, stupid theory debates:

I'd rather not, why don't you fill me in on this though.

No

[Antihero]

Jack: Why would you think the town needs more leeway as to nerf down the mafia to two scum?

So, how's the rolefishing going?

[Antihero]

Posting a list of people doesn't mean anything unless you actually explain why they're there.

Yes, that should be obvious to everyone. Why are you pointing this out; does it strike a chord with you?

[Antihero]

Sorry bout that, I still have to wash the bad taste of Open 231 out of my mouth. I sometimes forget that people might actually answer me when I ask them why they're voting...

So... you apologize for not asking what my reasons were for voting for you. Nice. Liking my vote. Also, OMGUS rocks!

What?

[Antihero]

Sorry bout that, I still have to wash the bad taste of Open 231 out of my mouth. I sometimes forget that people might actually answer me when I ask them why they're voting...

So... you apologize for not asking what my reasons were for voting for you. Nice. Liking my vote. Also, OMGUS rocks!

What?

This is stef generating a case while he is already voting xscorp. Again, scumhunting the wrong way around (town first makes a case, then votes. Scum pressures the townie, then makes the case based on reactions)

theory

OMGUS is the acronym used for a vote which has no reason other then that the person you vote voted you.
In this case, Stef voted scorp without any reason, while pretending to have them.

Scorp votes Stef

for having no reasons for his vote

.
Scorps vote on stef is therefor legitimate, while Stef's accusation that scorps vote is OMGUS is wrong.

My was because I don't follow Stef's argument (where's the scumtell?).

[Antihero]

I posted my reason for voting Scorp after I voted for him. At this moment you're just spamming.

Well, let's examine that reason then:

So... you apologize for not asking what my reasons were for voting for you. Nice. Liking my vote.

I'm still waiting for that scumtell.

Before I unvote though, Scorp, something jack noticed does strike me as a lil bit odd. I know that I initially voted you to add some pressure, however, you seem to be fine parking your vote on me without me giving any reasons and adding pressure is obviously not it. Why not ask if I don't give any reasons? Would it be because it gives you an excuse to park your vote?

Did anyone else besides me not follow any of this? Why is is scorp's responsibility to squeeze a reason out of you for

your

crap vote?

Fine, I see your reason. I just think it's complete bull. Also, talk about OMGUS.

UNVOTE: jelly jiggler
VOTE: Stef

[Antihero]

@Antihero: It is scummy because of the OMGUS. Him invoking another game for not asking me why I voted for him is just fluff. Not defending yourself whatsoever is anti-town.

Where do you get this? I disagree.

I would never let an unexplained vote on me without even trying to find out what's behind it. My vote was not crap vote, fine, not a great one but still not crap and how could have scorp know if it's crap or not without asking?

Again, why does the burden of proof fall onto scorpion? If you want to be taken seriously, you need to explain why you think something is indicative of alignment (as we've seen with DavidParker). Not doing so, and then retroactively blaming the person you accuse is just stretching to me.

Also, my vote on mykonian was not OMGUS. Voting for the person voting for you =/= OMGUS.

Of course you're not going to say that you're voting mykonian because he's voting you. I just think that from the stupid reason you gave with your vote. mykonian isn't "lying," which is an inappropriate word to use here. Voting with an illogical reason is equivalent to not having a reason.

@Antihero: I asked you something here. Would you mind elaborating?

After thinking about it, jelly is right in that the actual rolefisher here would be Jack. I'll concede that point to you.

Or is it just easy to jump on the biggest wagon while bringing no contribution?

That wasn't the reason for my vote. Also, no contribution?

My responses in blue, I just thought this would be easier on the eyes than a quote wall.

~Quote tags fixed.

[Antihero]

Ouch, tag fail.

Mod, may you please fix those quote tags? Thanks.

[Antihero]

Regarding the OMGUS, what is the difference between voting in RVS (no value for vote) and then keeping it for OMGUS reasons and voting for OMGUS reasons? I actually want to get to a conclusion on this because it's beginning to be frustrating.

OK, fine. That's not what really occurred, but if I guess I get your theory.

Vote imaginality

You have offered close to no content. It's time you do so.

This is a really crappy vote, considering imaginality only posted once and hasn't posted elsewhere on this site while ignoring this game.

[Antihero]

Please explain why it is a crappy vote. Because it is on someone who isn’t posting on MS at all? Or because Stef specifically stated it was a pressure vote?

The former. If imaginality wasn't posting, why not just ask for the prod and ask when he picks up the prod? Instead, Stef placed a vote, not knowing if imaginality just wasn't checking this site (in which case the "pressure" vote is full of fail). Now, if imaginality was prodded, picked up his prod, and still hadn't posted, I think the vote would be well justified.

[Antihero]

I hope everything works out well for you, imaginality.

Is anyone here OK with Stef's imaginality vote? If so, why?

[Antihero]

Is anyone here OK with Stef's imaginality vote? If so, why?

He was voting him before the earthquake. I think it's an acceptable vote, and I explained why previously.

I read that, and I still have no idea why you think it's acceptable. If imaginality isn't posting at all, why not just ask for a prod?

[Antihero]

Sorry forgot about this game.

Will post this afternoon.

[Antihero]

I'll make a real post tomorrow when I catch up, but I'll respond to Jack's claim now. I guess Jack could be scum with Stef, but that would be a really ballsy gambit.

UNVOTE: Stef

Also, I'm pretty unsure as to why Stef being town would imply mykonian scum. I don't think the case on Stef was weak.

[Antihero]

doesn't find stef scummy at all, just thinks it's distracting

Yeah, just pull out one isolated quote.

What does antihero think about this? Why does town-antihero make this simple comment and not follow up? SCum often jump on a standard scumtell when they are faking it, it doesn't require any acting.

I realized that jelly was right in that if there was any rolefishing going on, it was being done by you.
I didn't see you as scum then, so I didn't persue it further.

Looking back, and without considering Jack's claim, Stef is still looking pretty scummy to me. You sure you're reading your alleged role PM right, Jack?

Now, I

have

been procrastinating on the whole dana-RC thing, mostly because the text walls make my eyes bleed. I'll sit down and read those when I get the chance.

[Antihero]

After some thought, I'm not buying the Jack claim.

VOTE: Stef

[Antihero]

please request replacement.

Why, because I'm not wading through the unconvincing text walls of stuff against dana.

Or because others like DavidParker are giving so much more in depth analysis than I am?

Everyone who thinks the Stef case is "weak", look at Stef's early play and tell me how that's not scummy.

[Antihero]

@antihero

no, because you assume Jack is fakeclaiming to vote Stef.

What?

If Jack is fakeclaiming, he is scum.

Yeah.

But he still might say the truth about Stef.

...and this counters my argument...

Further, your post is too obviously a "damn I got prodded but I'm not really playing the game anymore"-post. Another player would do better at your spot, and the mod has quite an easier job to find a replacement if he can advertise it like: "It is still day 1!". Don't drag this out.

Please, don't be self-righteous. Also, I think people who post text walls are giving everyone else headaches and making the game not fun. How about that?

Let me catch up here. Stef semi-ISO:

Post 5: Random vote, I'll write it off.

Post 35: Votes mykonian based on a fallacious argument. Puts an FoS on Xscorpion with no apparent reason.

Post 40: Continues the crappy theory argument when he's clearly wrong. I gave you the benefit of the doubt at the time, but it's clearly a crap argument.

Post 46: The XScorpion vote, still nothing on why he's scum though.

Post 50: Says that mykonian could have been scummy for being wrong, but no reason why that is.

Post 62: OK ... following your logic, it could also be argued that you're scum just trying to shoot down the confirmation of a townie.

Post 83: This is a pretty clumsy attempt at defending a crappy vote...

Post 84: Stef calls down Jack on the rolefishing (though he doesn't call it that). At the time I misidentified this as Stef rolefishing though. Oops

Oh, and by the way, Jack still has his vote on himself (it's already page 5).

Post 113: Reach? That reason for keeping your vote on scorpion is still nonsensical to me.

Post 123: OMGUS on mykonian... nice.

Post 127: Refuses to give valid reasons for Xscorpion. Brushes off mykonian's prompting as "spam;" You know, deflection is a pretty reliable scumtell.

Post 137: Some vague generalities about the RVS, WTF?

Post 147: Meh, just a bunch of sniping at relatively minor things mykonian said. And yet, his vote goes on RC (with not much explanation I can see besides some vague "you're pretending to know something just for the sake of posting," whatever that means).

Post 154: Stef grills RC on a semantics and then doesn't give us why what RC said points to scum. Talk about posting for the sake of posting.

OK, now I see why I got frustrated before. Because Stef is picking out an insignificant sentence or two out of context and trying to pass it off as misrep. So far, he's failed to address the main argument.

Ugh, I just got to page 9, and it's a quote wall. I'll pick up here later.

[Antihero]

I don't get all the criticism of the stef wagon. I think it's great. I'll finish my iso when I have more time.

VOTE: Stef

Oh, and mykonian, you can stop with the whole replacement thing.

[Antihero]

I didn't miss jack's claim; I just didn't believe it due to my opinion of Stef.

[Antihero]

I want everyone to tell me
a) how many games they've played with shotty
b) what roles he was in those games
c) what they think of him so far.

1) 1 finished; A few ongoing
2) townie
3) Voting erratically and without reason? Not out of the ordinary for DMSIS.

Now, finishing up the Stef case:

Post 225: He defends the reasons for the earlier XScorpion vote, but then he puts a failvote on imaginality (which I've already called him down on).
Post 261 explains why the imaginality vote isn't good.
Post 317: It looks like Stef just picked the biggest rivaling wagon, the reason for the dana vote looks pretty forced

Now, why is the Stef wagon bad?

[Antihero]

I hate those votes. Absolutely terrible.

mykonian has a point. The beginning of D2 Stef votes are terrible, but my Stef vote+case at the very end of D1 wasn't? What changed?

[Antihero]

@MOI: I really don't know what else to say to you. That whole post looks town, and your whole ISO looks town.

You've fooled me before though.

What does my record of not being lynched have to do with anything?

So, you're saying that MoI looks town, but he could be scum because he was scum before and you failed to see it?

This reeks of OMGUS.

[Antihero]

@MOI: I really don't know what else to say to you. That whole post looks town, and your whole ISO looks town.

You've fooled me before though.

What does my record of not being lynched have to do with anything?

My point was, why did you feel the need to say this?

[Antihero]

lol Stef's OMGUS is priceless.

shotty, what's with the mykonian vote? And why do you plan on not changing it?

[Antihero]

@anti
I'll

unvote

for now.
You see I've been grounded for the past month so I haven't really thought about my vote much. But im ungrounded tomorow so I will catch up and post like a bitch then

Sorry about that.

But still, why did you tell us to just choose a lynch because you already cast your vote?

Plus CSL active lurking scum post alot of nothing.

lolwat?
Blatant OMGUS here. How do you just write shotty off as a "fool," mykonian?

[Antihero]

Good job, nopoint and Xscorp. Thanks for compensating for my fail.