Newbie 985 Game over

[Abe27342]

Tvell, Ive been playing a lot of epicmafia also. If you've ever seen me play as town, I'm logical and talkative. That is because in EM, discussion is focused around claims, clears, prs, and logic. Playing EM is drastically different from forum mafia. I'm typing this on my itouch, so sorry for my inability to quote you multiple times (it's a huge pain, sorry) but you say in fakegod's analysis that lurkers do not equal scum, then you say I'm probably scum for flying under the radar? Sigh.
I'm sticking with my vote on nikanor, as tvells post doesn't seem scummy, just inconsistent as usual.
FakeGod's absolutes are making me get more suspicious of him, however. Inconsistency doesn't always mean scum. Not voting doesn't mean vote: abstain. Etc.
Therefore, my two highest FoSes are nik and fakegod.

[Nikanor]

For the record, I just played my first couple of games on EM and they were horrendous. The #mafia channel on globalgamers.net is a much better mafia-playing community. You might even witness people scumhunting on #mafia!

Anyway, I don't buy that FakeGod and Nashi were simply working out misunderstandings today, because if FakeGod thought Nashi was town there should have been no misunderstandings. I could see a NashiNashi-FakeGod scumteam with their whole spat as distancing.

Vote: FakeGod.

[Abe27342]

Nikanor, people are idiots tonight, but most of the time it's fun. Play ranked, and don't expect much of unranked.
Interesting thought about the fakegod-nashi scumteam.

[tvellalott]

...lurkers do not equal scum, then you say I'm probably scum for flying under the radar? Sigh...

Flying under the radar is not the same as lurking.

[FakeGod]

Interesting, we approach the deadline with 2 players at L-1, and tvell casting the hammer.

@Nik: so if I think someone's town, I should have no problem understanding the guy? That logic won't hold water.

@zach: quit misrepping me. What, I'm somehow soft-defending tvell? Have you even read our exchanges d1? And I'm apparently aiming to pull tvell out of the lynching block?

We both know that tvell has exactly zero votes on him right now, and he isn't in any danger of being lynched today far as I can tell, no matter how you spin your story.

[tvellalott]

So it's down to FakeGod or Nik

I get a distinctly town impression from Fake and the verdict is still out on Nik, but I also got a townie vibe from him yesterday. Today I'm not so sure. I'm learning to trust my gut, but I don't have a gut on either

I'm so confooooosed.

In all honestly, I think Nik has been less pro-town then FakeGod today, hence why I put him lower on my FOS list.

Fuck it. I'm going to hammer Nik. Sorry if you're town. :/

UNVOTE: NashiNashi
VOTE: Nikanor

[Nikanor]

Ehhh.
Good luck town. For some reason I think you're going to need it.

[Excedrin]

Vote Count

FakeGod (3): Kalofer, Zachrulez, Nikanor
Nikanor (4): FakeGod, Abe27342, NashiNashi, tvellalott

not voting:
alive: 7 majority: 4

Nikanor, Mafia Roleblocker, lynched d2.

It's Night 2, submit night actions. Deadline is 3 days from now at AD 2010-08-23 10:28:00.000 PM (Mon) Pacific Daylight Time.

[Excedrin]

It's Day 3.

Zachrulez, Townie, was killed night 2.

Vote Count

not voting: FakeGod, Abe27342, tvellalott, Kalofer, NashiNashi
alive: 5 majority: 3

[Zachrulez]

Bah! Go town!

[Abe27342]

If we're in setup 1, doctor and cop should both claim now.
yay we hit the roleblocker

[FakeGod]

Alright, we lynched the maf rblocker.

tvell's quite clear from my point of view, since he hammered rblocker (barring him bussing, which, given his playstyle, I don't see happening)

Of course, I know myself is clear, with yesterday's scum-fuelled wagon on me as evidence.

Final Day 1 Vote Count

Zachrulez (1):

DavidParker

DavidParker (5):

Nikanor

,

Zachrulez

, Kalofer, Abe27342, NashiNashi
Abe27342 (1):

tvellalott

tvellalott (1):

FakeGod

Kalofer (1):

Zombeh-Pug

DavidParker, Townie, lynched Day 1.

Vote Count Analysis of D2:

Vote Count

FakeGod (3): Kalofer,

Zachrulez

,

Nikanor

Nikanor

(4):

FakeGod

, Abe27342, NashiNashi,

tvellalott

Nikanor, Mafia Roleblocker, lynched d2.

Color is mine. It indicates how I'm seeing things at the moment.

Out of all the people on my wagon, only Kalofer is alive, and I have town-tell on Nashi. (and Abe to certain extent due to Nik flipping mafia)

My natural

fos

goes to Kalofer, who defended Nikanor, as well as leading a lynch on me.

[FakeGod]

o and, anyone else agree to the mass claim suggestion?

[Abe27342]

Reason for massclaim if you haven't already seen it:
Mafia cannot CC your mass claim. Doctor is only good to protect cop unless they're a god at predicting saves which so far they haven't been. The reason mafia cannot CC is that if they do, we lynch one claim, then another as we have a mislynch.
Anyway, if the cop has an innocent on any of the three blue claims (I claim blue, btw, I'd have already gone with my plan if I were cop or doctor), it is autowin. If they don't, we have 2 clears (Doctor and cop) and the cop will live tonight. We lynch one of the blue claims, and cop investigates one of the remaining two blue claims.
Summary: If you are a doctor or a cop right now, claim and it is autowin.

Also, if it is setup 2, there is only one mafia left so if they try to claim doc/cop it will be obvious, as the counterpart won't claim.

[FakeGod]

@Abe: :/ I was asking mainly for reactions but w/e.

But yeah, no doubt we will be mass claiming shortly.

I suggest we do it popcorn-style, where one person claims and chooses the next person to claim.

I also vote Kalofer goes first.

[Abe27342]

Fakegod, popcorn style is pointless. Cop and doc just need to out themselves and the rest will come naturally.

[Kalofer]

I lead the wagon on you because you looked scummy, zach voted for you too but he was town and he agreed that you looked scummy, if I was night killed instead of zach I bet you would have pointed the finger at him. That aside I believe the scum is hiding in between Nashi and Abe because I doubt that a scum would start a wagon on his partner (Fake) and I doubt that a scum would hammer his partner (tvel, for which I congratulate you).

So I see three possibilities:

1. Nashi is scum, failed to hammer Nik or expected Tvell to hammer Fake or wanted to hide by not hammering
2. Abe is scum, failed to hammer Nik or expected Tvell to hammer Fake or wanted to hide by not hammering
3. Tvell is scum, elusively trying to hide his identity by hammering Nik and trying to appear town (which I doubt but is nonetheless a possibility)

[Kalofer]

I am a vanilla townie, period. I have nothing to hide. I am sorry for leading the wagon on you Fake, but the fact that you were voting off of a gut tell and being hypocritical got me fooled. Right now I'm mostly convinced that you're town.

[FakeGod]

@Abe: awwww but I love claiming popcorn style

@Kal: well, I might be scummy, but I'm not half-bad at lynching scum.

Vote: Kalofer

Sorry, Kal, but looking at the vote counts, unless scum apparently decided bus, the last scum has to be you.

Also, if you look at timing of when Abe and Nashi voted, it doesn't make much sense to think of them as scum in my opinion. (unless they're bussing)

There was a wagon on me that had two townies (if Kal is town) already. In that case, it would've been easy to just vote me and got me lynched without much suspicion.

I'm VT, and I assume by Abe's post that he is also VT.

[Kalofer]

Well I hope you're not drunk on your success, but if you lynch me and you are town you will be making a mistake. Hypothetically, if I were scum knowing that Nik is my scum buddy and that you are town I would not night kill zach who was also voting for you because that would automatically make me suspicious, as has happened. Do you really think the scum would be that stupid? They're trying to frame me is what I think. But by all means go ahead with your vote and see where it leads you.

[Abe27342]

Wifom.

[Kalofer]

Yes it is, doesn't mean it's not right though, even though I can't prove if it's right either.

[Kalofer]

EBWOP: Not wrong*

[tvellalott]

So, Nikanor

was

scum. I honestly didn't expect that. I think we got lucky on that one; his personal issues prevented him from played the game properly. I was regretting the hammer too. Oh well, luck wins out.

Well I hope you're not drunk on your success, but if you lynch me and you are town you will be making a mistake. Hypothetically, if I were scum knowing that Nik is my scum buddy and that you are town I would not night kill zach who was also voting for you because that would automatically make me suspicious, as has happened. Do you really think the scum would be that stupid? They're trying to frame me is what I think. But by all means go ahead with your vote and see where it leads you.

I agree with Kalofer on this point, unless it is a WIFOM tactic to make himself seem less scummy; As I've always said, I really get a townie read on Kalofer, so I'm doubting that it is.

Just to confirmed, I'm also VT.
I don't want to let on any FOS today. I want to hear what NashiNashi has to say before I start scum-hunting.

[Excedrin]

Vote Count

Kalofer (1): FakeGod

not voting: Abe27342, tvellalott, Kalofer, NashiNashi
alive: 5 majority: 3