Earth's Struggle - Game Over!

[Battle Mage]

sorry bout the lurking, will post here soon. probably tomorrow.

BM

[GhostWriter]

And I remembered that I didn't do the obvious thing: VOTE: CSL

[SharkFinn]

VOTE: CSL It's the right thing to do at this moment.

[ZazieR]

VOTE: CSL It's the right thing to do at this moment.

True. However, you may comment fully on CSL. I want to hear your reasons for calling CSL scum.

[ZazieR]

As stated, CSL needs to be lynched. As he caught my eye due to his behaviour during D2, this post will only be about D2 and some actions from D1 connected to them regarding CSL.

First post of interest is his post in which he voted DGB (post 793). At the end of D1, he FoSed DGB. But at the start of D2, it’s not DGB who gets his vote. It’s not until this post that he gets back to DGB. And he votes DGB based upon a lie. Because one thing he fought so hard for during D1 was that he didn’t follow DGB with her vote, but that he had his own reason for voting NS (See the discussion between him and TL for this ‘fight’). He also states that she convinced others as well with ‘nulltells’:
Nobody Special (11) - Rena, DrippingGoofBall, Chronopie, CSL, Sharkfinn, ???, AlmasterGM, Midnight's Sorrow, MehPlusRawr, TheLonging, AdumbroDeus, Ghostwriter
Last part, blaming DGB for the lynch. Especially bad when you see that he was screaming ‘Lynch NS’ all over his posts.

So CSL, I want you to explain why you voted Toogy and Chrono at the start of D2 with reasons. And no ‘Look at his ISO’-answer or something like that. And I want you to state the players who followed DGB based upon a ‘nulltell’ and why it’s a ‘nulltell’ according to you.


Another interesting post is post 838. Earlier, CSL stated how he thought it was scummy that DGB didn’t defend herself against the accusations. But in post 838, it’s CSL who doesn’t defend his actions. The only thing he has to say towards Ghost’s post about CSL is that Ghost finally showed up and could also be scum.


CSL, could you explain why you switched back to Star in post 1051?


I also love *uhum* his ‘defence’ in post 1072. You’re attacked based upon vote-hopping, something you thought was scummy as well. But it’s not scummy anymore, because a player who vote-hopped flipped town? It doesn’t work like that, hypocrite.


You also know something is wrong when a player complains about how close deadline is, after he voted a player in the hopes that we’d get an extension to get a new wagon going.
Add that he was trying to get a Ghost wagon going, even after he has stated that deadline would hit in +/- one day.

[ZazieR]

Continuing with Shark where I left off. In other words, she responded to all my comments I had earlier in post 685, so I start with commenting from there.

I start with Shark commenting on the two top suspects (NS and Toogy). As shown, she votes Toogy. Four reasons were stated of which three were ‘false’. Namely, he reacted sarcasticly towards the request to ask DGB about her late voting (and later he explains why), he said that he did look at the username list and his top suspect wasn’t DGB at the time he accused her of not voting her top suspect. But what should be explained is why she wasn’t using her playstyle here. She has stated that she tunnels to get a read, but I didn’t see her do anything towards NS or Toogy at this point, which should be explained.
Then comes her own suspicion, Chrono. When she first mentions this, she states that she only saw 5 posts and that was it. Ghost and MPR had less, so I questioned her about it. And her response is bad. She questioned Chrono as she didn’t like the attitude and the lack of scumhunting. The attitude needs to be explained as to why it’s scummy. As for the lack of scumhunting, Shark, do you really want to claim that you were scumhunting? Because when you made the accusation, you talked about Chrono’s posts that were made before you ‘attacked’ Toogy. So the only post you had that could be considered scumhunting was the fence-sitting post regarding NS. Another reason why your response was bad is because of the lie in it. You stated that you didn’t go after Ghost and MPR, because they were prodded. However, when you made the accusation against Chrono, they weren’t prodded yet.
(I wanted to post time stamps and the like, but due to time zones, it could be rather confusing >.<)
Next we have her stating that she’s a passive person in general. So I have a request for you. Describe the similarities and the differences in your play in KoL Mafia and this game.

As for your question in that post, passiveness isn’t a sure sign of scum. However, my believe is that most players are more cautious when playing as scum, because they are afraid of getting lynched. On the other hand you have town who hate to be lynched, which causes a differences in behaviour. Hating is a different emotion than fearing.


What’s also interesting are the promises of re-reading. But for a different reason than Rena pointed out. Shark names specific players at some of these posts. And when looking at the list she posted, she did all of them, except one. This player happens to be the scum player that has already flipped, AGM. This to me screams scum interaction.


Talking about your list (Post 1038), I’m interested in some of these names. First off is DGB, whom you had as town D1. Why the change of thought?
The other would be CSL, who was seen as town at the time of that list. You later state a MS-CSL scumteam. But even now that MS has flipped town, you think he’s scum. How come?
One last question, why aren't you tunneling with DGB and Chrono, while they are your suspects?

[ZazieR]

Next up are TL/Vezok.
There were two things I didn’t like about TL.
-First off, the discussion between him and CSL. CSL gets wrongly accused and eventhough he explains why TL is wrong, he keeps pushing it. Then he asks CSL four questions that CSL doesn’t directly answer as was pointed out later and suddenly TL knows what CSL meant. It’s too bad TL never responded to this.
-The other point was a post that activated my gut and I just realised why. At the start of D2, TL states that DGB and CSL were wrong. However, if TL thought that NS was scum, he was also wrong as well. So this post doesn’t make sense if he was suspecting NS. On the other hand, if he wasn’t suspecting NS, it looks bad as well as he was trying to make it appear that he was suspecting NS with his first vote.

Vezok…
Let’s start simple. Can you explain the reasons behind your first DGB, your Star and your Toogy vote? And can you also state if you thought DGB is scum at the end of the day for the same reasons you suspected her first?
Another easy question. Why bring up that Rena is a different account from Haylen? You did secretly about it as if it was something that should be known by everyone. But in the end, you did nothing with it after you stated it.
Last, there was one interesting post of yours (post 1014). Here, you ask who should be lynched out of Star and DGB as Star had a so called guilty against DGB. However, at post 962 you voted DGB based upon Star’s ‘guilty’ result. So why ask this question in post 1014 when you already ‘knew’ the answer?
Ok, so it wasn’t the last bit ._. I have one thing to ask you. Why did you vote CSL over BM today?

[vezokpiraka]

Lot of questions.
I vote people who I believe are scum. They were three of the scummiest persons.
I was making atmosphere with that thing. I forgot why I thought it's so important.
The question in 1014 was more of me trying to learn. It had nothing to do with the game itself. I voted DGB because that was the person who I considered scum at that time.
BM didn't do anything overly stupid this game to get himself lynched. I want to let him alive just cause he is funnier than CSL.

[MehPlusRawr]

anti-prod. Reading soon. I'm lazy.

[CSL]

Haylen, confirmed date of return is Friday.

vezok's buddying with BM is noted on post 1382. Read the last line.

[Starbuck]

Got busy during the last part of my leave. I go back to work tomorrow, so I'll be back on a regular schedule.

Mod: May we have a vote count please?

[Toogeloo]

On V/LA until Sunday night.

[Nikanor]

If this is a hammer, good.

Vote: CSL.

[CSL]

Quick checking votes, it is not. Just saying.

[Battle Mage]

BM, two things you need to do:
-State what the difference was you pointed out between NS role claim and your role PM.
-State at which level you were after N1.

This is important, hence I'm posting this before anything else.

Haha

1. No.
2. I already have.

BM

[DrippingGoofball]

BM and Togeloo are the most suspicious of the vote, but GW did stall the wagon. So do what you think.

GW wanted to lynch CSL, and tied MS into it. We went from DGB to CSL yesterday and then diverted to MS. My suspicion would be that whoever diverted us from CSL to MS would likely be the most suspicious today.

Vote CSL

Nope.

What scumbag would take risks to save CSL? I'd bus like mad, myself. The fact that CSL wasn't lynched nearly confirms him as town, in fact. Nearly.

[ZazieR]

No, Vezok. We don't play like this. If I ask for reasons, I do not accept 'because'. You give reasons why it's 'because'. So state why you voted DGB the first time, why you voted Star and why Toogy.
And you'll also explain your CSL vote. Because yesterday, DGB was your lynch target. Then afterwards, you state that you'll vote BM if he survives the night. But in the end, it's CSL who gets your vote. So why did you vote a player you didn't mention as scummy yesterday over DGB who you thought was scum yesterday and over BM who you wanted to lynch today if he'd survive the night?


And BM, you'll state the difference. If you don't, I expect to hear from you why you won't.
Besides, you haven't stated which level. You only stated that you received DGB's power. So do so.

[DrippingGoofball]

If this is a hammer, good.

Vote: CSL.

This is so poignantly town, I may just weep.

[Rena]

DrippingGoofball 2{ZONEACE, CSL}
CSL 6{vezopiraka, Toogeloo, Ghostwriter, Sharkfinn, Nikanor, ???}

There's your votecount.

I don't like Shark's recent flipflopping on CSL. First, he calls him town for most of the day yesterday. Then, when the MS wagon begins to form, he calls CSL scum with MS. Today, he's voting CSL without a though, even though the person he said CSL was scum with flipped town. His behavior today also completely contridicts all of his "I'm a passive person", and it certainly contridicts his self-described playstyle (found in ISO #9).

We need to slow down a bit. There's more to get out of this day than just a CSL lynch.

[DrippingGoofball]

There's more to get out of this day than just a CSL lynch.

It would work if we got a Shark lynch.

[CSL]

Ending V/LA early. Note that all my time on weekends is reserved for modding.

I advise you all unvote now, before the scum, whoever they are, quickhammer.

Sharkfinn's flipflopping, as described by Rena, is noted. Same as his voting-me-even-though-MS-flipped-town. Going to ISO him soon.

[DrippingGoofball]

Yeah he's town.

[vezokpiraka]

I don't want to answer ZazieR quesitons.
Hmm. Right DGB is alive.

unvote
Vote DGB

[CSL]

vezok's refusal to answer questions is noted.

unvote; vote: vezokpiraka

[GhostWriter]

Vezo, there is no town reason to refuse to answer. Now answer the questions, please. Refusal to do so is incredibly scummy and deplorably anti-town.