I don't normally do these until later in the game, but I think I'm feeling arrogant enough to believe I am a likely N1 kill here, so I'd better get all my awesome out before then.
commieB/Lateralus22
commie made two posts. The first one contains nothing of note, but the
second one is quite interesting, in that it seems to me to display at least as much ignorance of the setup as one Mr. H. Fitz did in his first post, and yet it has gone relatively uncommented on. I don't think said ignorance is anything but a nulltell, but I'm interested to hear thoughts about this from those that disagree.
Onto the main event: Lateralus.
Post #119: Right in his very first post he is giving me bad vibes with this bit of double speak:
Lateralus wrote:I don't like how Xite pointed this out as pointless, I believe I said this in our last game Xite "Any and every scummy behavior should be pointed out.". That being said reading his change in vote I don't find this as scummy if the reason he changed his vote is what I believe to be but I want him to explain in case it is not.
He berates Xite because "any and every scummy behavior should be pointed out", but then goes to agree with Xite that the behaviour in question was not scummy. So basically he's just throwing dirt at Xite for no actual reason.
Post #149: So begins his outrageously awful assault against Nexus. (Well, actually, it began a little earlier in
Post #135, but I don't think there's anything particularly objectionable in that one). #149 though, urgh. Forgive me for my egocentricity, but I am forcefully reminded of my own play as scum in
this game here, where I latched onto a bit of poor communication from a weaker player and relentlessly badgered them with inane questions that have no right answer.
Post #175: sweet burn, bro. that was sick.
Post #179: In all of the inane bullshit that Lat marks as proof of Nexus's scumminess, I think this is the worst. So, Xite made a list of 6 people he considered suspicious, and then later Nexus did the same, and 3 of the names on both lists were the same! NEXUS IS COPYING!!! It's just ridiculous, and I really find it difficult to believe that Lat actually thinks he is making some kind of worthwhile point with this.
Post #199: I enjoy the fact that Lat doesn't even deny that he is not actually trying to figure out Nexus's alignment.
Post #222: And here we start to move onto the next phase, where Lat starts to shift away from Nexus and onto Xite, because apparently town reads are scum slips now. But, strangely enough, his vote doesn't go anywhere. If he really thinks that Xite slipped up and accidentally admitted that he knew Nexus is town, you'd think he might want to stop voting for Nexus, no? Looks to me like he is waiting to see if an Xite wagon will take off before abandoning the healthy wagon he has already.
Post #311: Nearly 100 posts later, Lat finally switches his vote over to Xite. There's no big revelation in this post, he doesn't point out any new scummy behaviour from Xite (or new town behaviour from Nexus) that pushed him over the edge. In fact he doesn't even mention either Xite or Nexus in this post. So I am really wondering what the catalyst was for the vote change coming in this particular post.
Post #356: I actually really like this post. He's drawing attention to someone that really wasn't under any heavy suspicion elsewhere, and for a totally legit reason; posting only to respond to things that directly address you is a pretty great way to get by active lurking without people noticing, because it looks like contributing but it only furthers the goal of preventing yourself from being lynched, it does nothing for the goal of actually finding scum. Definite town points for this one.
Post #393: Also like that he is not joining the wendy wagon, because I really think scum would have trouble resisting after the self-vote. This does a lot to convince me that he might have actually believed in his stupid points against Nexus.
ConfidAnon
Post #47: We've been over the part where outright stating that you are wagoning for the sake of wagoning defeats any purpose that doing so might have, but I just want to point out that CA actually went one step further and stated that he actively disagreed with the case against the person he was wagoning here, which is even worse.
Post #81: Yeah, I'm still not going to let that "wrong wording" bit go. It's just straight up bullshit, I do not believe for a second that CA accidentally used the phrase "I am pushing for your lynch" when he did not mean it, and I don't know why most everyone else seems to be happy to let this slide.
Post #102: Total strawman of fitz's case against dalt. I struggle to see how anyone could interpret "HE IS A LYING LIAR WHO LIES" as attacking someone "for being new".
Posts
#195 through
#349: So yeah, remember when I said above that posting only to respond to things that directly address you is a fine way to actively lurk?
Yeah.
Really, is there anything in a single one of ConfidAnon's posts that suggest he has any interest at all in finding scum? Because if there is, I can't find it.
dalt54321/tomorrow wendy
dalt is useless, and I believe he'd have been equally useless as either alignment. Nothing to go on there.
tomorrow wendy is Adel. Since he is not massaging my ego in an attempt to influence my vote, I assume he is town, because he knows I'm easy. Done.
havingfitz
Post #22: One thing that I don't think has been addressed in the arguments about fitz's lack of setup knowledge is the fact that, as scum, he'd know that the scumteam was made up of just two goons. Which is awfully weak for a regular M. Normal game, and I think the kind of person who is sensible enough to read through mod posts for whatever information they can find as a townie would also be sensible enough to realise that that scumteam makeup indicated that this was not a regular M. Normal.
Post #230: "Llamafluff if a good player who can probably sweet talk out of korashk's bad play…but in terms of D1 suspicions I think that player slot would be a good lynch." This sentence bothers me quite a bit. One, the fearmongering suggestion that Llama is so good that we'd better lynch him quick before he uses his wizardry to convince us all that he is town. And two, the phrasing it as being "in terms of D1 suspicions", which is basically trying to diminish the worth of all D1 suspicions, which will in turn diminish the worth of D1, which will in turn diminish the worth of all days. It doesn't matter what day it is, a good case is a good case.
Post #262: "I know if Llama was lynched and flipped town, you would shoot to the top of my suspicions." This phrase would set alarm bells ringing in any post, but they ring extra loudly when it happens to appear in a post together with a vote on Llama.
Korashk/LlamaFluff
What comes through loud and clear from Korashk's posts is that he is used to playing on a site where things are done very differently to the way we do them here. Any alignment tells that might be around in those posts kind of get lost in translation.
Post #255: Llama's catch up post (well, the meat of it, at any rate). Lotsa lotsa good points in here, and his read on Xite in particular makes me think Llama is town. Referencing another previous game of mine:
Xylthixlm wrote:Little tip: town tend to think I'm ambiguous leaning town. Scum tend to think I'm incredibly scummy and an easy mislynch. It's not 100% but the pattern is there.
The impression I get is that Xite is a similar player. (See also: tomorrow wendy.
Adel does that deliberately).
Post #237: This post is good because it contains a vote for scum. And further points about why CA is scum, if my ones above aren't enough for you.
Also I guess Llama did bring up the thing about the makeup of the scumteam on fitz's ignorance already.
In summary, Llama makes a lot of good points and a lot of sense.
Leech
Post #155: I like the way he calls me out for not following up on my starting gambit. Obviously, he is wrong, for reasons that have been established, but it still shows that he is thinking critically about other people's motivations.
Post #272: This I like less. He's really putting fitz into a "when did you stop beating your wife?" kind of thing, where he is scummy for continuing to push his crappy dalt case in the face of massive resistance from everybody else, but then he's
also
scummy for dropping his crappy dalt case in the face of massive resistance from everybody else.
He's also horribly wrong in all his stuff about Xite and gut feelings, but I think he actually believes what he's saying there, so that's not scummy. Yeah, that's pretty much Leech in general, actually. He is wrong wrong wrong about pretty much everything and reading his iso made me want to beat my head against a wall (or his, actually), but I think he's earnest in his wrongness. The catch-22 bit with fitz is the only thing that actually strikes me as scummy.
LoudmouthLee
I have some trouble reading LML for much the same reasons as I had trouble reading Korashk; he's used to playing on a site where things are done differently to the way we do them too. It just happens that that site is this site, in the past. It's obviously not as far removed as wherever Korashk came from, but it still interferes with things. Moreso towards the start of the game, mind; he's definitely adjusting to changes in the meta, or we're adjusting to him.
Post #164: LML confuses me and CA somehow. I can't see him doing this if CA was his scum partner.
I'm not seeing any other overt tells either way in his posts, but if CA flips scum as I expect him too, LML is town fo sho.
Nexus
He's been away for pretty much the entire time that's passed since I made
this post, nothing's changed in my read on him since then.
PranaDevil
Post #8: I think I mentioned earlier that some responses to my opening gambit gave me a town read; this is what I was talking about. Not sure why it does, but my gut says that this is very much a town reaction.
Post #143: Despite several others voting for Nexus, Prana is the first one to point out the actual legit point against him with the "I forgot and I did it to see how you reacted". And yet, Prana never even joins the Nexus wagon. I really find Prana's behaviour around the Nexus wagon to be super town; the apologetic tone here in "Much as I think you seem to be a stand up bloke" and the reluctance to vote Nexus that goes with it, I like that a lot. Obviously, Nexus being a stand up bloke has nothing to do with his alignment, but it is human nature to be more inclined to want to lynch someone you dislike, and Prana struggling to separate that from his growing concern that Nexus may be scum strikes me as extremely genuine here.
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And I have to leave for work now, I'll finish looking at Prana and get onto Saga/Nightwolf + Xite when I get back. I hope to see some more votes on ConfidAnon by that time.
And agreed...the more flips you have to go from the clearer things become. 
are you really trying to use that as a scumtell?
) what's your take on it, sherlock?
