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Post Post #125 (ISO) » Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:45 pm

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Battle Mage wrote:What's your meta on CSL?
Not sure why you're asking DarkLightA for his meta on CSL, when CSL already provided meta himself with DarkLightA. So basically, this question has already been answered by CSL, which makes the question kind of redundant.
Battle Mage wrote:Because it only helps the scum ascertain who are likely to be masons.

Unvote, Vote: DarkLightA
Since you're apparently not in RVS, could you mind explaining your vote on DarkLightA? Secondly, how in the world would RVS make scum certain who are likely masons? This makes no sense. Also not sure how DarkLightA relates to the brief discussion you had between him and JordanA24 regarding ending the RVS and how RVS is where scum can find likely masons (Which I said made no sense).
Battle Mage wrote:Unvote, Vote: Battle Mage

Claim: Vanilla

No time to reply now. Will be on in a few hours if i'm still alive! If not, good luck.

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As you weren't in any danger of a lynch, I personally felt that claiming was seriously unecessary and you put yourself in danger of being Night Killed if you're town. Not liking this post at all. Only reason why I'm not raging about the self-vote is because you unvoted yourself.
DarkLightA wrote:@gandalf: It's an open game, there are no Jesters.
I think gandalf5166 was referring to his title below his username, not talking about jesters being in the game.
Battle Mage wrote:No reasoning at all. Complete OMGUS.
Did you read his later posts where he explains his vote on you? To be honest, your vote on DarkLightA was pretty bad from my perspective as well. And this is hypocritical of you considering that your vote lacked reasoning as well.

@smashbro_of_the_sss (#93): Could you further elaborate on gandalf5166 being scummy? I remain unconvinced that gandalf5166 is scum.

#100 from DarkLightA: This post is really bad. The case on Haylen seems like he's wants to appear that he's not tunneling on Battle Mage instead of a genuine case. Unlike Battle Mage's self-vote, Haylen's vote appeared a lot more random and it was more evident that it was during the RVS phase. Self-voting during RVS is not a scum tell, unless it was an intentional self-hammer and even then, the chance of RVS self-hammers happening are next to zero. Also, how are jokes and being relaxed a scum tell? Yes we should be serious during serious phases, but that doesn't mean jokes and being relaxed is a scum tell unless the former is excessively abused. DarkLightA is officially streching his case.
DarkLightA wrote:No, we're on page 5. I don't think anyone does.
Your reasons for voting Haylen in #100 were just terrible. molestargazer asked if you had anything else. Because you have nothing else to add to your case, your case on Haylen will remain to be scummy.
DarkLightA wrote:^^ HAHA @ 103-111!
Care to comment on something game related instead of laughing at posts that we can look back at later that can help us find scums?

@zwetschenwasser: I don't see how gandalf5166 is vote hopping. He's only made two votes so far, one was RVS and one was serious, which he later unvoted. You on the other hand have made four votes and you've been more wishy-washy with them and your vote on gandalf5166 was pretty bad as well, not to mention hypocritical of you.


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Currently, my reads are divided into four groups, Town, Neutral, Scum, and Lurkers.

Town:
gandalf5166, molestargazer, Jahudo, (To a lesser extend), JordanA24.
Neutral:
None so far.
Scum:
DarkLightA, Battle Mage, zwetschenwasser, (To a lesser extend) Haylen
Lurkers:
smashbro_of_the_SSS, CSL

My top suspect is DarkLightA. While I thought his attack against Battle Mage was slightly pro-town, he turns a complete 180 on his play starting with his horrible case on Haylen which he fails to support. He isn't even voting someone now, instead simply FoSing zwetschenwasser without really explaining his suspicion on him. The scumminess of his recent posts exceed Battle Mage's post.

Battle Mage is also suspicious. While his play is better later on, his early play was pretty scummy, and he's a decent candidate for today. Will support his lynch if DarkLightA doesn't get through.

Liked JordanA24's quick case on zwetschenwasser. Not only is he hypocritical in calling gandalf5166 out for vote hopping, he is completely wrong about this. Later explanation about this doesn't change my mind about this. He's an okay lynch IMO.

Haylen isn't as scummy as my other three suspects, but I really wish she would provide more substance in the game. There isn't really much going in the eight posts she has. Of course as active lurking is my only reason for suspecting Haylen, I'll keep a closer eye out for her.

What keeps me from voting Battle Mage is that his meta is known to be scummy. Therefore, it's harder to judge him whenever or not he's truly worthy of a vote, although that doesn't give him a free pass either. DarkLightA has no such excuse.

Vote: DarkLightA

FoS: Battle Mage, zwetschenwasser

FomS: Haylen


I added a Lurkers section because I haven't seen enough of them to come to a solid conclusions about them. They need to produce contents and produce them now.

Okay wow. Less then 130 posts so far and we're about a week from the deadline. Considering this is a twelve-player set-up, I'd expected a lot more out of this game. Pick up the pace and get moving, we have scums to lynch and only a limited time to do so. Everyone should commit at least one post to the game every real day and maybe the game won't stagnate so much.
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Post Post #126 (ISO) » Fri Aug 13, 2010 3:31 pm

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Good summary, though I think mole has provided about as much content as Haylen. Although if this is a content contest we should all be losing.

@DarkLight: Why did you unvote Haylen? Are you accepting that the self-vote is null?
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Post Post #127 (ISO) » Fri Aug 13, 2010 3:45 pm

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You know SSBF is town when he uses links. Joking aside, I agree with most of his reads, excepting Haylen and mole. Despite lack of content, I believe that Haylen is null, leaning town. Mole goes under null as well, but leaning scum.
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Post Post #128 (ISO) » Fri Aug 13, 2010 4:38 pm

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add SSBF to the list of people who need to discover my meta.
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Post Post #129 (ISO) » Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:27 pm

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Two Smash Bro's in the game...good grief this is gonna be confusing :? :lol: (the analysis was good though, not so sure about him bringing up the deadline as if it's a matter of urgency, there's still a week left, and still time to let the game grow organically rather than rush into any mistakes)

I really am not a fan of people hiding behind their meta's to try and escape a valid case against them Zwet, that's not a counter-argument, it's a get-out clause, and I ain't buying it. Nonetheless, is there anyone who can back up Zwet on this at all, or do we all have to "discover his meta"?
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Post Post #130 (ISO) » Sat Aug 14, 2010 3:04 am

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The case against me is exaggerating my meta. Therefore, no counterargument is needed.
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Post Post #131 (ISO) » Sat Aug 14, 2010 3:14 am

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If hypocrisy and fluffy one liners are your meta of how you play every game, it's a wonder you're not lychned Day 1 every time.
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Post Post #132 (ISO) » Sat Aug 14, 2010 3:28 am

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I just said, the case against me is EXAGGERATING my meta.
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Post Post #133 (ISO) » Sat Aug 14, 2010 6:07 am

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If I've exaggerated your "meta" so much, would you care to explain in what way I've done that?
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Post Post #134 (ISO) » Sat Aug 14, 2010 6:09 am

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zwetchenwasser wrote:add SSBF to the list of people who need to discover my meta.
Is that your only defense? If so, then I remain unmoved from it. Granted, I understand that meta may play a part in a person's game (Battle Mage's for example), but I'm not going to give a person a pass just because their meta is different from others.
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Post Post #135 (ISO) » Sat Aug 14, 2010 6:19 am

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zwetschenwasser wrote:I just said, the case against me is EXAGGERATING my meta.
I thought your meta was 5 words per post.
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Post Post #136 (ISO) » Sat Aug 14, 2010 6:37 am

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Yeah, meta isn't an excuse for scummy play. DMSIS is nearly always scummy. Doesn't mean I'm afraid to lynch him for it.
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Post Post #137 (ISO) » Sat Aug 14, 2010 6:43 am

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Sorry gandalf, but what's DMSIS?
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Post Post #138 (ISO) » Sat Aug 14, 2010 6:48 am

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@JardanA24: He's referring to my predecessor in this game, drmyshottyizsik.
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Post Post #139 (ISO) » Sat Aug 14, 2010 6:50 am

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Ah right thanks :)
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Post Post #140 (ISO) » Sat Aug 14, 2010 6:57 am

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Active lurking? I've been V/LA for the past week cause I was at Jordan's, and last weekend I was ill. I don't count that as active lurking, that's being 'unavailable'.

Also why did shotty just get replaced by someone already in the game? O_o
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Post Post #141 (ISO) » Sat Aug 14, 2010 6:59 am

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Heh. Different smash bro, Haylen.
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Post Post #142 (ISO) » Sat Aug 14, 2010 7:05 am

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I really need to set aside a time where I will reread this, but I'm busy enough tonight.
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Post Post #143 (ISO) » Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:20 am

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zwetschenwasser wrote:I was not joking with gandalf, and what makes me not a hypocrite is the fact that he was only behaving the way I do to draw attention away from the good cases that were being presented against him.
I still don't understand what you meant by "translation: could you please OMGUS so I can vote you?", but how is someone that's been defending themselves look scummy for also commenting on something else?
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Unvote, Vote Haylen

Until I get some ice cream
I'm not unvoting.
*hands molestar some ice cream*
Do you have any suspects yet? Because you're still on this random vote and haven't talked about who could be scum.

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Post Post #144 (ISO) » Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:29 am

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the wording of your post reeked of opportunism.
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Post Post #145 (ISO) » Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:34 am

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I don't follow you zwets.
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Post Post #146 (ISO) » Sat Aug 14, 2010 2:13 pm

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it was sly, sinisterly devious! muhahaha
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Post Post #147 (ISO) » Sat Aug 14, 2010 4:31 pm

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Okay, zwet is stupid. :L
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Post Post #148 (ISO) » Sat Aug 14, 2010 5:17 pm

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oh, and gandalf is the partner after the almost OMGUS on the last page.
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Post Post #149 (ISO) » Sat Aug 14, 2010 5:38 pm

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Next time someone says the word OMGUS, I am seriously going to go out and shoot someone. I HATE that word. If you make a case on anyone who's voted you in the last five pages, someone(in my experience almost always scum) throws out OMGUS, and the case is completely ignored. And in fact, I hadn't voted you simply because I knew someone would say OMGUS. That said, fuck OMGUS.
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