Mini 1003 Mafia - Game Over

[Tasky]

Ok well running under the assumption that people are correct in that if I am town Tazaro is scum then VOTE: Tazaro because I am town.

sorry for the triple post, but why do you take that assumption as true?
in your own words please

[Espeonage]

1. Would have been happy with either lynch at that point so yes I did go for the likelier.
2. How would I know that it was a townie wagon pre flip.
3. has been rebutted in my last post.
4. Coming. I will have to go back to when that post happened to see if I can remember.

5. Nothing came of it because of the activity so there is nothing for me to report. When I vote like that I am looking for a repeated scummy action which obviously didn't end up happening.
6. I prefer to keep some cards at my chest.

[Espeonage]

Ok well running under the assumption that people are correct in that if I am town Tazaro is scum then VOTE: Tazaro because I am town.

sorry for the triple post, but why do you take that assumption as true?
in your own words please

Because really there isn't much happening except stuff to do with me and you and Tazaro. I'm not so sure on you any more. I will fly with this for a while until I am persuaded yay or nay. Watch this space.

[Tazaro]

Double Post: I feel it is my duty to:

VOTE: Tasky

why is it your duty?
what are your reasons?

The Espeonage cases are bad, so making the vote count become a tie is right.

[Tasky]

Double Post: I feel it is my duty to:

VOTE: Tasky

why is it your duty?
what are your reasons?

The Espeonage cases are bad, so making the vote count become a tie is right.

you are acting scummier every minute...
I might have to change my vote if it continues like this

[redtail896]

Well, as my vote on Espeonage was based on appeal to popularity and Espeonage has pointed out Tasky and UT as both having no cases, I will not follow them anymore:

Wait, does this mean you were essentially voting Espeonage because he had the most votes? Is that why you're voting Tasky?

Ok well running under the assumption that people are correct in that if I am town Tazaro is scum then

VOTE: Tazaro

because I am town.

People here seem to be just Tasky. What do you think of this connection?

[quote="Tazaro]The Espeonage cases are bad, so making the vote count become a tie is right.[/quote]
Can you elaborate on this sentence?

[Tazaro]

Three people mentioned Espeonage as a suspect so I figured that someone was telling the truth. I agree with Espeonage that Tasky and UT (and I) did not have good cases. Because of this, I do not want Espeonage to be lynched because of these cases; so since Espeonage had more votes than anyone else, I voted for Tasky to even out the vote count. I thought Tasky was scum even if I was using meta. He's seemed to be setting up a bull's eye on me if Espeonage was lynched and flipped town.

[Untrod Tripod]

Esp,

My case against you was this:
I posted every single one of your votes. They were accompanied either by nothing or by very flimsy reasoning. My case is that repeatedly swapping votes for no reason is scummy. I documented that you mostly did that all throughout day one. I don't like that. I want more with a vote. Therefore I put my vote on you to apply pressure. My argument is this: you were flipping between two wagons that hardly anyone would question you for voting on. Voting on an easy wagon is not scummy. Voting on an easy wagon with no reason given is kinda scummy. Vacillating between TWO easy wagons with no reason given is fairly scummy. I don't like all that put together. Hell, I'm not positive you're scum, but I'd sure like to hear more from you today. I'm sure you have more intelligent content than Chevre did ( >_< ), so I want to apply pressure to you. Maybe that'll get you talking.

6. I prefer to keep some cards at my chest.

Not gonna cut it. You aren't required to say "HAI GUIZE I HAVE A SECRET READ". Obviously you want to keep us interested in keeping you alive because we think you're hoarding information. I hate that. I'm not interested in keeping players with dubious "knowledge", I'm interested in keeping players who are trying to contribute.

[Espeonage]

Everyone has secret reads. Those are the reads that people don't share. You say 1 person is scummy you still have 11 secret reads. If they werew worth posting then I will post them. If you have a feeling but no evidence are you going to post it? No you're going to keep it to yourself until you have reason to reveal it.

As for late yesterday. Yeah I was kinda vote hopping. bear in mind it was between two people both of which I added to the cases for and that I replaced in and thus missed the whole getting to know you phase which is rather impotant when it comes to settling into suspicions.

[Tazaro]

Yeah I was kinda vote hopping. bear in mind it was between two people both of which I added to the cases for and that I replaced in and thus missed the whole getting to know you phase

IMO your vote hopping is null.

[Zang]

Votecount-

Tazaro - 1 - (redtail896) (L-4)
Shattered Viewpoint - 1 - (Espeonage) (L-4)
Tasky - 2 - (Shattered Viewpoint, nopointinactingup) (L-3)
Espeonage - 3 - (Tazaro, Tasky, Untrod Tripod) (L-2)

Not Voting: boberz, MagnaofIllusion

5 to lynch

Deadline August 16 at 9:30 pm EDT

[Tazaro]

@Zang, I voted for Tasky

[Tazaro]

@Zang, I unvoted for Espeonage on the post before I voted for Tasky

[MagnaofIllusion]

Welcome boberz –

I am in yeah! Just gonna catch up, wont be too long.

Awaiting your input as that slot has greatly underperformed.

2. I don't remember saying anything of the sort, could you quote the post?, I can't find it. And what exactly is the contradiction you see?

It is in the big catch-up post you made.

the logic holds... as a townie, he should just have asked for a claim, since Chevre would die anyway at deadline if nothing changed, so the threat was real anyway (no need for L-1). But should Chevre claim a PR, it would be easier to get the wagon from tracks with one less vote on it since no-absolute-majority isn't enough to avoid the mislynch.

Your logic doesn’t hold. Firstly just because the rules allow for a deadline less than majority lynch doesn’t mean you should change the established play norms regarding asking for claims. I would have been very suspect if someone not voting for Chevre (when she wasn’t at L-1) asked for a claim, regardless of the deadline status. Second your ‘one less vote’ makes no sense as the player in question is going to have to actively vote for someone else if the leading vote-getter claimed PR. Whether that person’s vote is inactive or on Chevre it has to be move regardless.

he did that after making the post I was responding to there...

But his post where he lays out his thoughts is BEFORE your post questioning him. I don’t care if it is a big catch-up post. Your question seemed like an attempt to undermine his vote on you. You should have seen his post where he explained his reasons before you posted your catch-up. Asking people to repeat previously stated cases without refuting them is a minor scum-tell in my eyes.

do you think Nopoint is more or less scummy than me or Esp?

There is no scummy continuum that governs who is more scummy than who else in my eyes. If I express the inclination to vote for you (out of RVS) it means I think you are scummy enough to be scum. Case closed.

Ok rereading the three cases on me took a whole 2 minutes. We have Tazaro who has a case based on out of context posts, tasky who's case is solely based on the assumption I was lying about not knowing when deadline was and then UT who didn't even make a case he just voted me as an aside in a very short post.

Ok well running under the assumption that people are correct in that if I am town Tazaro is scum then VOTE: Tazaro because I am town.

1. Your vote based on that flawed logic is looks like a pretty weak bus attempt.
2. Tasky’s case is certainly not based solely on timing. I found your flip-flop scummy Day 1.
3. UT’s post certainly was more than just a short post with a case.
4. I’ve seen this sort of behaviour from you before. Mafia in Murietta anyone?

Everyone has secret reads. Those are the reads that people don't share. You say 1 person is scummy you still have 11 secret reads. If they werew worth posting then I will post them. If you have a feeling but no evidence are you going to post it? No you're going to keep it to yourself until you have reason to reveal it.

By repeating that you have ‘secret reads’ you lose any defense that revolves around others having them also because no-one else is spouting that they have secret reads they aren’t going to share. Additionally your secret reads included scum-reads as suggested when you requested Chevre ‘change your mind’ about which set you should vote for.

Combined with Lemon’s play I think I’m going to favor your lynch today.

VOTE: Espeonage

Well, as my vote on Espeonage was based on appeal to popularity and Espeonage has pointed out Tasky and UT as both having no cases, I will not follow them anymore:
UNVOTE

You are openly stating that your vote for Espeonage is based on a logical fallacy? Esp’s response to Tasky’s case alone is not impressive, and your willingness to shift for the most ridiculous reasons makes my read on your slot continue to approach pure scum.

[Tazaro]

I'm not voting for Espeonage. I want to see who's on his bandwagon if he's lynched.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I'm not voting for Espeonage. I want to see who's on his bandwagon if he's lynched.

Sigh. Your vote WAS on Esponage and you specifically removed it. Answer the question - why did you have the vote on him in the first place with the reasoning being a logical fallacy (Appeal to Majority)?

[Tazaro]

I didn't want to vote for Tasky based on meta and felt like I had to vote for someone. But I see that votes for Tasky are not just meta-based.

[redtail896]

I didn't want to vote for Tasky based on meta and felt like I had to vote for someone. But I see that votes for Tasky are not just meta-based.

There were 8 other people to vote on. Why did you feel the need to have a vote on one of the top wagons?

[Shattered Viewpoint]

I didn't want to vote for Tasky based on meta and

felt like I had to vote for someone.

But I see that votes for Tasky are not just meta-based.

Please explain this further.

[redtail896]

I didn't want to vote for Tasky based on meta and

felt like I had to vote for someone.

But I see that votes for Tasky are not just meta-based.

Please explain this further.

Hi SV! Where have you been for the past eight days?

[Tazaro]

I didn't want to vote for Tasky based on meta and

felt like I had to vote for someone.

But I see that votes for Tasky are not just meta-based.

Please explain this further.

Not having a vote on someone at this point would make me look dumb. Wait... Irony, I know

[boberz]

Ok all.

To begin I am going to

vote Tasky

. A full explanation will follow in a different post but a little tit bit to make your mouths water. He is a better lynch than Esp, he acted very badly during day 1 and there is a lot of info we could extract. If he flips scum, we turn straight on Tazaro btw, I will explain in a sec.

Reading this game was a mammoth task, I replace into most of my games and this was arguably the hardest to read. It is because of the WOTs I have no objection to them in principle but it may explain the large number of replacements that have hampered this game for town.

I am embarrassed by the performance of my slot so far and will seek to be more active and involved.

I think we are not dealing with the mechanic of not needing a majority very well. I say this because we do not seem to be building bandwagons for pressure very much. All bandwagons seem to become lynchwagon candidates, this is not healthy. Sometimes, particularly with newbscum you need to give them the rope to hang themselves rather than pressuring them so much they replace out (happened twice).

Also people are being much too reliant on wolo tells. So many people are just labelling posts, OMGUS, WIFOM etc... The scumminess of these tells is drastically reduced by the fact everyone knows they are scummy. So in future I will be asking why 'in context' it is scummy rather than ust accepting it is scummy.

I dont think Esp is a good bandwagon, the flipflopping at the end of day 1 seems to be a big point against but I do not see how that would be in scums interest whatever the allignments of the various players involved.

I found Lemon mildly scummy as well, but not chi. I can smell dinner, but there will be another post tonight.

[Tazaro]

I didn't want to vote for Tasky based on meta and felt like I had to vote for someone. But I see that votes for Tasky are not just meta-based.

There were 8 other people to vote on. Why did you feel the need to have a vote on one of the top wagons?

Because Tasky is suspicious and Espeonage should have less heat.

[Tazaro]

To begin I am going to

vote Tasky

. A full explanation will follow in a different post but a little tit bit to make your mouths water. He is a better lynch than Esp, he acted very badly during day 1 and there is a lot of info we could extract. If he flips scum, we turn straight on Tazaro btw, I will explain in a sec.

See, Tasky is so suspicious even the replacement votes for him right away.

[boberz]

Ok, at the end of day 1. Esp swapped to Tasky from Chevre. But take a look at how quick Equinox decided that this could cause a nolynch to occur. Well as we all know, as had already been discussed in the thread and as Eqinox should have absolutely have known (he was creating a kind of expert feel within the game) that a lynch was happening anyway. He was straight on to Esp to change vote. I feel this is the single biggest point so far. There was a kneejerk reaction by Equinox to defend, or to avoid a lynch of Tasky.

I feel that Tasky and Equniox had a bit of a thing going on in places, nothing concrete but the tone of a few posts suggested a link to me. Tazaro, has had a different relationship (criticising WOTs for example) and being a bit more attacking. I have noticed a couple of things on Tazaro, but I really want to push Tasky atm so I am going to analyse him.

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Can somebody explain how I can link to posts in a word, if that makes sense. So rather than pasting the whole url I can just say 'here' and it be linked?

Tazaro's last post made me lol considering half my case is because I think Tazaro is the partner.