Newbie 988-Apocalypse(Over)-Scum win

[Beanman]

IDK, while fresh perspective is good, and always welcome, we are getting close to week 3 of day 1(we got 8 days now to make a decision), and things are starting to get stale and stagnant. I think it's time we seriously start looking into lynching someone, get some hard information to look at, and carry on into day 2.

[Tuxhedoh]

I also suspect Cliquey.

Thank you for not being vague.

Unfortunatley Cliquey you replaced in for kyle who was already high on the suscpicion list. You coming in here and flooding the board with all kinds of information and statistics and full page posts has really saturated the old noggin, I can't help but think it's all intentional... to confuse and befuddle the studio audience and those playing along at home. It just hasn't helped your case any.

[yabbaguy]

Dekes

Post 163: Now this is interesting in a scummy way- Dekes dichotomizes the lynch here between MoB and kyle99. I don’t think it was completely clear cut it was going to be one of them, and it certainly isn’t now.
Post 302: Takes a swing at montgomery while her wagon’s empty! Plus point for him if she flips scum.
Post 362: Why is he still called scummy?

Currently the man of attention right now, but I still think there are aspects about him that are not being looked well into, and the attacks on him, while good, are not wholly justifiable. I think there are multiple instances where he's taken a strong stance, and I don't think it's been solely activity hunting at all. While lurker hunting for sure isn't a standalone, to call him someone who is doing just that is inaccurate.

Beanman

Post 107: Opts to put MoB, kyle, and Dekes on his list.
Post 144: A puzzling Makeorbreak vote, pressure, voting to lynch, what?
Post 173: I still miss the Adrien implication here.
Post 207: Abruptly says that there’s no f’ing way kyle is scum plz thx. I like people who take strong stances like this, notwithstanding their accuracy.
Post 226: kyle’s face in reply to this is my face, too.
Post 285+288: Ellipses of Uncertainty strike again! It’s clear he’s town that’s tunnelvisioning.
Post 346: Takes a shot at Dekes now. He’s swapped quite a few times over the course of the game.
Post 366: WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE SELF-VOTE!!!
Post 379: Yeah, you said in the 100s that IC advice was good stuff. CLEARLY emotional compromise.
Post 383: Comes round and swings at Dekes. I can understand it somewhat, but I still think Dekes has a point with the fact that he got majorly misrepped. I don’t blame him. But I don’t think Bean’s scum either.

What a character Beanman's been the whole game. I don't think his sense of scumhunting discipline is quite there yet; he certainly tries to solve the puzzle way too many times. But at least he's not afraid to take the big stances. I'm really not sure why the thought of me being scum is still polluting his mind though, but certainly his emotional compromise indicates that he's almost assuredly a town-aligned who's only guilty of losing his mind.

montgomery

McGriddle

Post 51: Ew. The idle “Interesting, that’s OMGUS” remark really stings of scum trying to idly lay down a weak suspicion without garnering attention. This is done at Makeorbreak.
Post 98: Takes a swing at MoB albeit lightly (no troll remarks yet), and a lighter jab at Adrien and Bean.
Post 158: Takes another whack at MoB and Adrien
Post 182: Way off the mark. Doesn’t heed pleas to find MoB scummy and not a troll.

Massively under the radar the whole time, and McGriddle needs to skedaddle to rectify this. Her initial remarks on Makeorbreak were good, but then degenerated into just "trolling trolling trolling" without any new content being added to the game. Add the fact that she sprinkles the OMGUS speculation and lightly dabbles on Adrien, and I think there's definitely a connection between the two.

Yeah, I said Adrien's name. Shoot me.

tanstalas

Post 146: Wants to drop hammer on kyle and votes when he realizes it’s only L-2.
Post 200: Same shtick, pegs MoB and kyle as the Big 2. They’re not together. Try again.
Post 249: Why an unvote here? /:|
Post 336: Responds to lurking inquiries with a player-by-player.
Post 449: Boggling. HoS on Beanman, yet has kyle and montgomery running up front. With two scum, this is puzzling.
Post 496: Ew on hating the attitude of all things, but renounces Dekes as a good wagon.

A guy I now personally loathe and despise for being a Habs fan (go Bruins!), tanstalas certainly is a squirmy character whose alignment I really can't pin down. He's put kyle and MoB at the top of his list at one point, which makes no sense, and then the rest of his scumhunting ideology is like a mad scientist's experiment, there's a good idea twisted with kind of sub-ideal reason much like in 449 and 496. I'm speculative on him.

Makeorbreak

Pacman

Post 72: Cue shenanigans.
Post 87: Tosses Dekes out as a scum suspect, with massive uncertainty.
Post 115: Hollow kyle vote.
Post 298: There’s the reread I squawked at. To my credit though, I hadn’t any idea that pacman was recovering from Mafia deprivation, so I can see why he didn’t embellish these as much. I still think it wasn’t terribly helpful though.

Yeah, I called Beanman as losing his mind before I got to this one, but I still adamantly believe that Makeorbreak was being pushed as a mislynch when her wagon was being driven up. I know I initially said that Pacman was someone whose reread I could vomit at, and I still could, but I don't find it terribly scummy anymore. I think frankly that Makeorbreak hasn't committed any concrete scumtells and is only guilty of being an imbecile. Y'know, montgomery's potentially right, she may be a troll. But whatever.

Pacman's posting is starting to wither away and adopt Ellipses of Uncertainty. WAKE UP!

Tuxhedoh

Post 44: “Is this scum protecting scum?” Presumptuous a bit, but not terribly scummy.

A pretty blank read here. The thing is though, I think there's an aspect of him that genuinely wants to be pro-Town, so I'm still leaning that way. I do wish he'd wake up and at least try to post as he goes. Do what you gotta do.

kyle99

Cliquey

Post 97: I still find his vote of MoB here categorically fencesitting. I don’t know how you can slice it any other way.
Post 153: The issue is that we thought he was lying about forgetting the game. That’s the thing that irks me. 2) in particular is zooming in way too close.
Post 247: Certainly we can dispense with the active lurking point with this.
Post 416: AtS for no reason. *sigh*
Post 430: Actually, no, I don’t buy into the future-tense scumtell here. I think looking ahead at which lynch is best in terms of analyzing relationships is fine. Did you see something else?
Post 438: No. Scum replace out, too.
Post 470: Whoosh comes the case on Dekes. It’s actually pretty good, but I remember him putting a vote on a novel wagon, montgomery. I think he has taken novel stances through the game, so I wouldn’t say that’s true at all. Also, points out he did do the AtS before getting the role PM (or am I misreading that?)
Post 483: Dekes is being misrepped though.

kyle certainly didn't do any favors, but Cliquey has certainly done wonders for the slot. What still is nagging my brain is that he offered up a useless appeal to statistics which apparently *was* done as an aligned player, and his Dekes case isn't entirely on the mark. I think going after the points in that bulleted list of his accomplishments was strawmanning as even he didn't list everything he had done.

I'm gonna guess Town though. I think the motivation's in the right place.

Adrien C

Post 54: Poor reasoning for the FoS on Dekes. “Not nice that you’re voting the IC” is really, really bad.
Post 59: Swings back around a post later and votes Makeorbreak.
Post 121: Stabs at both Makeorbreak and kyle simultaneously. They’re clearly not buddies. Try again.
Post 233: Doesn’t swing the hammer! I think he’s harped on the issue quite a bit and yet wouldn’t put that last vote down. Notwithstanding that I didn’t want the Day to end there, he implied he did, and yet he didn’t.
Post 254: Why must you be the hammer?
Post 419: Calls it biased meta. It’s statistics.

And here's the other one I'm calling scum. montgomery's opted for soft suspicions of him on occasion, and I think between her scumminess and his refusal to throw hammers when he has the chance is something that's really pointing at him flipping red. I think the mod WIFOM of telling him to not telling me he assuredly won't do a doc fakeclaim is a speculative factor tilting his way.

Which one I pursue first is up in the air for me. I'll opt for montgomery's slot since I'm more certain on that tell than Adrien's.

Vote: McGriddle

I could opt for Adrien if we find it more informative.

[Jackabomb]

Vote count 1.16
Pacman-

;

Tanstalas-

;

Dekes-

Adrien C, Cliquey, Beanman;

Cliquey-

Tuxhedoh;

Beanman-

;

yabbaguy-

;

McGriddle-

yabbaguy;

Not voting-

Adrien C, McGriddle, Dekes, Pacman, Tanstalas;

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch or no lynch.
8 days until deadline.

[yabbaguy]

Vote: McGriddle

again.

You can't vote twice, as much as you may want to.

[Adrien C]

Why is my vote on McGriddle?

You must be mistaken sir.

[yabbaguy]

So mod's obv lying.

Who are the other two liars?

Lying? Ouch. I much prefer, "Editing reality so that previous statement no longer apply."

[Beanman]

@Adrien, can you please answer me a question. Is yabba usually this horrible? That was seriously the worst pbpa I've ever read. I originally wrote something that completely destroyed every case he has on everyone, but found it a wee bit too antagonistic. I ask you because you've played with him before. I'm on the fence over if he's really been misleading town this entire game. I mean, seriously, his case on you, is that you didn't hammer kyle... He can't really be that stupid to honestly think none of us would call attention to the fact,

yabba also had the chance to hammer kyle, and didn't.

Montgomery opted to call suspicion on you(which multple other people did at the same time) and that is enough evidence to make you two scum buddies? WTF?!? This was really bad. Is this usual yabba behavior? Or is this just anti-town play in your opinion?

[Adrien C]

Yabba was very good in the other I played with him. Like I've mentioned before, he saw through a very amazing fake doc claim I did. Eventually he lynched me and the town won.

[Beanman]

EBWOP - I am aware I'm still refering to the role as being held by Montgomery. This is intentional. Perhaps not officially, but in my eyes, the role McG filled into is still being held by a female from australia until he actually does what he signed up to do, and starts playing. I'm actually surprised, because I didn't think we'd find a worse player than Montgomery was, especially in the same game, but McGriddle, not posting anything of value after 60+ hours into replacing into a game, where his role is one of the prime suspects, might have topped the charts on worst player ever awards, still a close race at this point....

No one buys the whole 'I don't have time' case either. You replaced into a game. If you didn't have time, you wouldn't have done so.

[Beanman]

EBWO2P, correction, not a worse player than Montgomery was, but actually Makeorbreak was. I think you all know what I meat however.

[yabbaguy]

But I didn't want to hammer kyle at that moment (THAT'S VERY, VERY DIFFERENT from saying that someone thinks he should

eventually

be the lynch). Adrien apparently did.

I decided to take Abraham Lincoln's approach and wrote an angry rant on you, then discarded it. Can we at least recognize that PBPA took me two hours to make? Thanks.

[Beanman]

Apparently Adrien didn't want to hammer or he would have...

[Adrien C]

Apparently Adrien didn't want to hammer or he would have...

This.

[tanstalas]

@yabba - Oh shit son, now you've done it! Beanman is going to be all over you for voting for an inactive person

In all seriousness, I'd have my vote right there next to yours - for reasons given in viewtopic.php?p=2416074#p2416074 However, I am giving the replacee a chance to post so Beanman doesn't accuse me of going after the inactive and easy targets again.

P.S. Bruins suck. Though I am happy they got Tyler Sequin with the #2 draft pick... as it is better than the Leafs getting him

[pacman281292]

C'mon, the previous time I didn't post during 24 hours I found four pages full of discussin, and now the only new thing here is yabba's PBPA!
@yabba: sorry for the "Ellipses of uncertainity". They seem to follow me... (ARGH DAMMIT AGAIN?!)
I do agree with most of your post, altough I do disagree on Adrien. I don't see him so much scummy.
@Everyone: As Bean said, we need to hurry up.
@McG: Well, you said you were posting something today. So...

[Adrien C]

Dekes is the lynch I'm pushing for. A McGriddle lynch might be okay with me too. I'm too iffy about Cliquey to lynch him yet. But I think we'll find a bit of information from Dekes's flip.

[Beanman]

Alright, srsly, 4 people have now been questionably active lurking. Logic dictates that Active lurking is NOT a scumtell by this, as only 2 of the 4 people *could* be scum.

Tant you are a idiot

@everyone-In all seriousness, regardless if McG has offered anything, a lynch on him would be nothing but STUPID right now. no information gained. No progression of actual game play. If the IC was being Pro-Town, he would realize this, But our IC has been having the townies run around like chicken's with their head's cut off, trying to get us to Mis-lynch cliquey over here, first, now McG. His arguments aren't even convincing, shyt, the guys even tried to argue the dictionary during this game...

We should kill Dekes, it's the only intelligent kill at this point to make. Regardless if he turns up town or mafia, it gives us a crap ton of information to work with.

[tanstalas]

Alright, srsly, 4 people have now been questionably active lurking. Logic dictates that Active lurking is NOT a scumtell by this, as only 2 of the 4 people *could* be scum.

Tant you are a idiot

@everyone-In all seriousness, regardless if McG has offered anything, a lynch on him would be nothing but STUPID right now. no information gained. No progression of actual game play. If the IC was being Pro-Town, he would realize this, But our IC has been having the townies run around like chicken's with their head's cut off, trying to get us to Mis-lynch cliquey over here, first, now McG. His arguments aren't even convincing, shyt, the guys even tried to argue the dictionary during this game...

We should kill Dekes, it's the only intelligent kill at this point to make. Regardless if he turns up town or mafia, it gives us a crap ton of information to work with.

*sigh*

I would love to know why I am an idiot Beanman? I actually think you are, I think you are barking up the wrong tree with Dekes, and I know you are barking up the wrong tree with me.

Vote: Dekes

I'm hoping you all have seen the scum in our midst better than I have and I am hoping I am just naive in thinking he isn't. However, I do agree that this day has gone on for a long time. I

WANT

both McG and Dekes to post before someone hammers him though. If anyone hammers him before those two post I will be seriously upset, but on the upside I know who I will be voting for ASAP on day 2.

I do agree with the reasoning of whatever he flips will give us additional information, however I think we are going after the wrong person *points at Cliquey and McG)

[Dekes]

I actually don't have time right now, but seeing now that I'm at L-1 I'll add in a quick post:

That's a pretty well-constructed case. I want to hear a bit from McGriddle before this day phase ends, but I will support a lynch on Dekes. As a matter of fact, I'll go ahead and VOTE: Dekes. I'm still convinced either Dekes or Cliquey is scum,

but I'm starting to lean towards Dekes. Worst case scenario, we'll all get some information from his flip.

Bad vote. You're not convinced I'm scum yet you're willing to lynch a townie for the sake of information instead of looking for hard evidence yourself now who might be scum and who might be town. You've made your vote based on a case that refers to a hastily made half assed iso of me

from me

.

I would love to know why I am an idiot Beanman? I actually think you are, I think you are barking up the wrong tree with Dekes, and I know you are barking up the wrong tree with me.

Vote: Dekes

This is even worse. You're giving into the two people who have nothing but tunneling me now for a while although you've stated that you're leaning pro-town and you haven't seen anything scummy from me. If they just looked at my post #362 from a neutral standpoint and not their distorted standpoint they would see, that not all I say is either OMGUS, fluff or AtE. In fact, most of what I state in that post makes a lot of sense.

@Beanman
Lynching a townie is never intelligent. So stop saying such manipulative things and bring in some proof.

Since I'm

V/LA

for the next 24 hours, because, well, it's Friday night I wanted to state one more thing.
Most (if not all) of the accusations against me are revolving around the fact that I allegedly vote on safe grounds like mafia would do.
- Find me one vote of mine that is reasoned solely on active lurking where I didn't address what the people I vote have said and what I found scummy about that.
- Find me one instance where I avoid confrontation because of who I voted and where I backed off only because people have reappeared.

Until then, would you please get off my back and start hunting real scum. Eight days is a lot of time to gather enough information if you're willing to start looking for it.

p.s.: Ugh@McG

[Beanman]

- Find me one vote of mine that is reasoned solely on active lurking where I didn't address what the people I vote have said and what I found scummy about that.

Vote: kyle99

His last post still doesn't convince me. His strange excuse of his own lurking is not a good enough defense for me. And looking back on his posts I see him active lurking for the longest time, then, after being called out, making a horrible post where he's just parroting other users and then making a vote immediately after fence-sitting on that person (yes, I'm aware that I'm just stating now what other people have said before, but this is just a summary to explain my vote) and after that he disappears again - until he's put to L-1 when - boom - he's there not 30 mins later to attack this vote. This leads me to believe that he might have been lurking on purpose all along.

give me a second to do the other one

[Beanman]

EWBOP i'm actually not gonna do the second one, I've probably had too much to drink as is. Guy has dug his own grave. Do we wait for him to come back from V/LA to claim? or does it matter?

[McGriddle]

montgomery McGriddle
Post 51: Ew. The idle “Interesting, that’s OMGUS” remark really stings of scum trying to idly lay down a weak suspicion without garnering attention. This is done at Makeorbreak.
Post 98: Takes a swing at MoB albeit lightly (no troll remarks yet), and a lighter jab at Adrien and Bean.
Post 158: Takes another whack at MoB and Adrien
Post 182: Way off the mark. Doesn’t heed pleas to find MoB scummy and not a troll.

Massively under the radar the whole time, and McGriddle needs to skedaddle to rectify this. Her initial remarks on Makeorbreak were good, but then degenerated into just "trolling trolling trolling" without any new content being added to the game. Add the fact that she sprinkles the OMGUS speculation and lightly dabbles on Adrien, and I think there's definitely a connection between the two.

Yeah, I said Adrien's name. Shoot me.

This ^ is your reason for voting for me. It is a very dumb reason. Nothing in there shouts scum, it shouts bad time. And of COURSE he flew under the radar and was inactive, he had to be replaced, so they obviously didn't care about posting ITT. Your 4 lined case on her, and your nothing on me for a vote is completely ridiculous, and for that I would vote you, but I see how this game is going and if I did I would get the "Oh! Oh! He OMGUS'd Get him!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Despite my obvious reason to want you dead. Everyone else has done scummy things but do not strike me as predominantly scummy. I reserve my opinion on everyone else for when something else comes up that includes them.

One major thing I'd like to bring to everyones attention though is that he buddies with everyone in his PBP analysis except for me. And if you notice he semi-stands up for Dekes. So right now I see a Yabba/Dekes scum pair.

[yabbaguy]

Here, Adrien is pretty much ready to do it, I contest. What's baffling to look at through a Town lens is the fact that he had multiple opportunities to do so, yet I never conclusively saw Adrien say "never mind, I won't". I don't know why, but Adrien effectively said "I'm gonna hammer, I'm gonna hammer", and then never did or dwelled on the fact he did.

Granted there was interference from the unvoting that happened between his remark and the post from me he was apparently waiting for, but when it comes around to Makeorbreak, he insists on being

specifically

the hammer vote.

From the other half, montgomery, she's swinging full force at Makeorbreak, although still wants to her lynch her just because she's a troll (useless utility lynch) and puts Adrien in her suspicions. Methinks that this suspicion is scum bussing. Adrien hasn't dwelled on mont all game which makes it... plausible, maybe doesn't amplify it, but still. Hence, my top two.

It's simple fact, Beanman. I'm really, REALLY pissed off at the fact that you're not looking at me with a perspective other than "WTF the IC is full of bullshit" without even considering this as potentially true. You are making rash assumptions that I'm pushing obvtown, and it's thoroughly baffling and frustrating.

Responding to McG's squawking in just a bit.

[yabbaguy]

McGriddle, your predecessor started off with an okay reason on Makeorbreak, and then degenerated into nothing more than "she's trolling". I asked

her

repeatedly whether or not she found Makeorbreak

scummy

and I never got the answer to that question.

Some scum love nothing more than to safely test an idea by Asking the Audience with a "Does this seem scummy to you?" remark. When montgomery puts down the dangling OMGUS remark, it piqued my interest because it's basically someone who points out that something is potentially suspicious but doesn't want to stand up and be opinionated about it. If it works, great. If it doesn't, move on.

There was little from montgomery, yes. Hence why the point-by-point in the player-by-player for the slot was tiny.