Newbie 988-Apocalypse(Over)-Scum win

[Jackabomb]

Vote count 1.15
Pacman-

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Tanstalas-

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Dekes-

Adrien C, Cliquey, Beanman;

Cliquey-

Tuxhedoh;

Beanman-

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yabbaguy-

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McGriddle-

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Not voting-

yabbaguy, McGriddle, Dekes, Pacman, Tanstalas;

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch or no lynch.
9 days until deadline.

I am now able to contribute more active moderation from this point on. I have been semi-distracted recently, but I should now be back in full force.

[Cliquey]

If I died I would turn up town.
If you died you could turn up town.

See the difference?
This is stuff on a Fruedianslip-semantic level.

Si muero, seré aldeano.
Si mueres, es posible que fueses mafioso. O sea puedes ser mafiosa.

This translation isn't anywhere near as subtle as the English, and sadly I can't use the archaic future subj.

[Adrien C]

Cliquey, I know you've given a good case on Dekes, but could you give a summary of what you think of all the other players.

[Adrien C]

EBWOP: Should have ended that with a question mark...

[Cliquey]

I also prefer not to do players lists. I'll talk about everyone who I think is scummy, and everything that I think is bad, but I prefer to keep my "how town!" list close to my chest. Thats information I don't like the scum having when they're deciding night kills, although bean and kyle have already screwed much of that pooch.

[Dekes]

@Cliquey
Your case is well written. I'll give you that. But that doesn't make most of the things any truer or any less distorted to strengthen your case
- You ignore the fact that I questioned Adrien, Beanman, Tux among others who had been active at that time
- You ignore the fact I kept on questioning kyle when he was active even when the wagon died down, because I was still suspicious and still am
- You ignore the fact that I'm not the only one in this game with few cases...you yourself said that the amount of cases were minimal at best
- You ignore the fact that I voted people not only because there weren't present but because of the content of what they posted and I stated so every single time
- You ignore the fact that it wasn't me who started the what-could-happen-if-player-X-flips scum scenario but Beanman did
- You falsely state that I go on with these things when in fact I said it in two consecutive posts after Beanman brought it up and then once again when being asked about it
- You ignore the possibility that I'm just being town trying to play it safe in his first game. Yep, blatantly playing the newbie card here.
- Your overuse of the phrase naval gazing is annoying. It's not that bad.

And please don't dabble in German. My English may not be perfect but you misspelled every single word, so please don't include this in your case.

And now I've got a couple of questions for you: You've replaced in with a lenghty post about AtS, stating shortly after that we actually have to have a better case on you than on everydody else (I hope to God that this was a joke), then you go on and re-read the thread. But you must've checked the previous pages first to figure out, I'm the prime suspect for town at the moment. So you check on me closer than on everbody else, find a dubious snippet that is supposed to make me look guilty and vote me on that (that happened before you case).
So, don't you think that you went after the easy target here?
Who else do you find suspicious? I can't be the only one who messed up all the time, right?

And now some food for thought for town: What do you think of this situation, if I actually turn out to be town (*gasp* impossible)?

I want to turn my attention to Tuxhedoh, because he's active lurking, not present and thus an easy target. I'm scum, it's what I do. /sarcasm
But seriously, he was being suspected by Beanman right before Beanman went head-on with me. Then Tux disappeared, but not entirely. He stated once per day he couldn't follow the thread because it was too much. I wouldn't be surprised if he surfaced again when enough "evidence" has been brought up against me and then present his case (or not because everything has been said by then so no need for a case) and vote me. Anyone else has a opinion on this?
I'm also interested in what McG has to say.

@yabba
I considered Beanman scummy in my lenghty post. I changed my opinion shortly after that. I never stated I thought his self-vote was scummy. I simply stated it was stupid. For obvious reasons.

[Dekes]

EBWOP:

Assume: Scum, to appear town, will "hunt" but choose the more arbitrary means of attack so that they do not actually have to put themselves out there.
Hypothesis: Dekes' attacks have been "safe" attacks.

He has constantly gone after townies for moderately indefensible things, rather than actually scumhunting.

Otherwise put; Dekes' attacks have been consistent with the attacks scum would make. They are shallow and do not actually prod at attacking for pro-scum behavior.

Explain this one, please. Why do you use the word "townies" here? In mafia the word "townie" is definitely reserved for the pro-town roles and unless you know something the rest of us don't I'd like to know why you would use the word "townies" here.

[Beanman]

Alright, srsly, 4 people have now been questionably active lurking. Logic dictates that Active lurking is NOT a scumtell by this, as only 2 of the 4 people *could* be scum. My opinion is tux coming in once a day to post meant shyt about his game, and is something that our Mod will take care of, if he's not actively participating like you say. But you have fun with that wasted effort.

I heavily endorse the BW on Dekes. let's kill this scum.

[Cliquey]

I used your report of what you'd done Dekes, I didn't ignore anything there, direct copy and paste. It seems you say "I'm being misrepresented" to everything and anything, just in different amounts of words.


If you turn up town I learn things. One is that you're as selfrighteous a prick as Bean, but it really doesn't make you any bit more right.

I read the thread from front to back, I didn't read the last X pages first. The only bit out of order was the stuff posted after my intro post, so no, I didn't check to see who was the prime target, no I didn't check you closer than anyone else. I read and reported on what stayed with me. 17 pages in 2 goes is alot.

I'm sorry I keep having to talk about the statistics, but everyone keeps bringing it back. Go into games, take a random replacement and a random non-replacement. The replacement will be town more often than the non-replacement. Deal with it, its data.

I can't be the only one who messed up all the time, right?

AtE ahoy, want to keep playing a victim? I didn't read you especially, hell there are people who ISO'd you, talk to them. I read the whole thread, everything that everyone posted, so stop playing a victim, you got no special attention. You just happen to be scummy.



Preview edit: You admitted that you went after people based on their activity. That is not scumhunting. Going after people on what the say is.

* Not game related* As to what I should and shouldn't dabble with, go die. I'll learn whatever I want to learn. Your begging for me to be ignorant just makes you an asshole. I don't write German and I'm way to lazy to go get umlauts. So kindly go to Italy and open your mind *Not game related*

[Dekes]

I used your report of what you'd done Dekes, I didn't ignore anything there, direct copy and paste. It seems you say "I'm being misrepresented" to everything and anything, just in different amounts of words.

Yes, because you only read what you want to read. I stated in that post you based your case on that I only skimmed my Iso and might as well have missed something. And I also stated that people would use it against me to make me look like I'm just pretending to be town. But you needed to overlook that so that you can say afterwards that you quoted me on that to prove your points.

The rest is insulting. I'm not going to comment that.

Preview edit: You admitted that you went after people based on their activity. That is not scumhunting.

Going after people on what the say is.

And that's what I said and did. Several times. Look it up. On every single on of my votes I tried to analyze what the people have said and I voted on what I found to be scummy.
Btw, I asked you questions. You're here. Mind answering them?

More insults.

[Beanman]

@dekes. You weren't the prime suspect until he presented his case on you. Before that, He and McG were, because of who they replaced. He actually is right about being the most logically sound case to being lynched, based on the role claim you forced out early on. I have stated it why many times, when it was kyle playing the role. It's sound.

[Dekes]

Y'know, Adrien and tans first mention kyle should claim/defend himself and yabba is the first to openly state that kyle should claim his role (at L-2) in #148. Just FYI.

[Beanman]

Yes I have stated I believe yabba has pushed for a mislynch on that role quite a few times now.

[Adrien C]

Y'know, Adrien and tans first mention kyle should claim/defend himself and yabba is the first to openly state that kyle should claim his role (at L-2) in #148. Just FYI.

That is true. He looked like he was about to be lynched so I thought he should claim.

[Tuxhedoh]

I'm sorry for active lurking... would you prefer that I request to be replaced? I was going through my notes on Dekes and the case has been made well by other players, and even better than I could. I also suspect Cliquey.

I can continue dropping in and making observations, or I could be replaced... ideally by someone who can participate better than I am.

If folks want me to replace out that's fine.

[Tuxhedoh]

EBWOP: I can certainly understand and don't mind at all.

[Beanman]

this game has gone sideways, again...

Tux... If your gonna be active, and participate, stay. If your not, ask to be replaced. You should make that decision yourself....

[Adrien C]

You haven't been bothering me any Tux. You're cool to stay if you really want.

[Jackabomb]

Unfortunately as a newbie mod, I am not permitted to anything about active lurking. As long as they do not go 72 hours I cannot prod them and without that, I can't replace them either. Is it frowned upon on this site? Yes. Does it suck for those who are actively participating? Yes. Can I do anything about it? Nope.

[yabbaguy]

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I'm making the player-by-player as we speak, but I really think McGriddle needs to get a post down before I do.

@Cliquey: Why in blazes would you post something as an effectively unaligned player?

[pacman281292]

I was going to post my opinion about tux, but got ninja'd by the mod... x.x
Meh. On other news:
@McG: Might try to be more cooperative for town (if you're still alive)...?
@Cliquey: [offtopic]What you said in spanish just made me lol. What I meant is, I don't know which conditional should I use on which circumstances. However, I get what you mean for it.[/offtopic]
Nothing else has happened as from my last post.

[tanstalas]

I must really say I am not liking Cliquey's attitude, I do not think calling Dekes an asshole and telling him to "go die" for asking him not to include meaning of German words in his case against him as his understanding of German was not up to par was a bad thing, and saying "not game related" before it I do not think that should make it ok.

I also do not like how he keeps going back to the "stats" thing about being replaced in = he is not scum, and now he has started with saying that McG can't be scum either. Something about going back to that over and over doesn't sit right with me. Also the fact he doesn't like to do a PBPA on other players. I hope McG doesn't mind doing one, I would like a fresh perspective on it all. I am still waiting to hear from McG - it has been 13 hours since he posted saying he will be back with his "reread" soon.

I still do not think Dekes is as scummy as you all think. My top 2 suspects are still Cliques and McG. However McG hasn't posted enough to get any sort of tells yet, and Cliques keeps beating the statistics horse to death. Saying over and over he is pro-town doesn't sit right with me. Once or twice may have been ok, but Adrien even asked him to drop it and I see he brought it up again today.

@Dekes - RE: Your question on the Tux thing, I agree, I even forget he is playing sometimes because he is flying so low under the radar.

P.S. What does AtS mean? I looked at the page you mentioned yabba and did not see it. Update it!

[Adrien C]

AtS = Appeal to Statistics.

[Cliquey]

Mod, V until sunday night

Everyone, I've said ~3 times now I'm done with statistics, as have others, yet people still keep commenting about them at me. I'm done. OK, I"m right but I'm done. I will not respond to you about them until after the game when I give you a more conclusive update.

Pac, I was wrong when I first said condition. I'm more trying to say that one word (would) implies a definitivity, whereas could implies a possibility. I have a scarf covering something. Its the difference between:
A. (I know what is under the scarf) "There is a dove under this scarf"
and
B. (I don't know what is under the scarf) "The could be a dove under this scarf" ---(but there also could not be).

Dekes, I'm starting to think the only thing you can do is appeal to misrep.
Townies, well I mean it as members of this town, anyone in this game. Innocent or not we are members of the town, some just want to kill the town, so to preserve it.
Calling you out on your AtE (characterized by your sarcasm) is not an insult. You are playing the victim, you are going "poor me", that is a tactic, not necessarily scum, but I feel you are using it in a scummy manner.
I'm pretty sure I answered your questions. Care to repeat them so that I can take care of the ones I left unanswered. Then again I probably answered it and will do so again in the form of a quote of my own words.

I also suspect Cliquey.

Thank you for not being vague.

@Cliquey: Why in blazes would you post something as an effectively unaligned player?

I knew my alignment, I added it in. Have you ever heard of Pooky?

Tans; I don't really care what you think about my attitude. It is what it is, it fluctuates with external things and the circadian rhythm. I am always hunting for scum, so while it may be disagreeable at times (being a dick is not a scum tell), it comes with the property. If you really think I get out of hand talk to the mod about it.
Your other point...

...doesn't sit right with me. Also the fact he doesn't like to do a PBPA on other players.

Seriously? You don't like me because I'm playing differently than other people. You would have hated MS 4 years ago, BJ/Fritz/IS would drive you batso-burritos.
Tans, please see the last phrase of this post

[McGriddle]

Jesus people I have been here like 48 hours, I have been too busy to read up on the game until today, get off my nuts. I will do my reread and analysis today.