Newbie 988-Apocalypse(Over)-Scum win

[tanstalas]

EBWOP: I meant to say leaning pro-town for yabba and tux

I know you asked for a more detailed explanation, however I have given elaborate explanations on my 2 biggest people I see as being the scum (kyle and montgomery)

[tanstalas]

EBWOOP:

Man, I did not sleep well today or something, also made a mistake with the kyle and montgomery line

"kyle and montgomery - leaning more towards anti-town than yabba and tux for reasons stated many times in previous posts" should read

"kyle and montgomery - leaning more towards anti-town than adrien and beanman for reasons stated many times in previous posts"

Basically on a scale from 1 to 10 with 1 being scum and 10 being town

montgomery 2
kyle 2.5
Adrien 5
Beanman 5
Dekes 6
Pacman 6 (MoB would have been a 3)
yabba 8
tux 8

I am not sure about anyone, hence why there are no 1's or 10's.. oh wait

tanstalas 10

[Tuxhedoh]

Man the weekend has caused this to get away from me in a way that I'm ashamed to admit. I've been checking and looking for updates, but my mind has forgotten it's positions on most folks apart from the ones I've gathered notes on, but need to update with more information. I'm concerned our game might be at a stale mate... until kyle or montgomery post- or are replaced. too bad the time doesn't restart. I may spend some more time pouring over the threads again tonight, if I don't get to it tonight... by this time tomorrow.

[Beanman]

I wanted to do an interpretation of Tenstalas because I'm doubting my original read on yabba, and am thinking there is good evidence of scumbuddying between tans and dekes...

ISO0-random vote 1-(before game starts)
ISO1-his name is Joe
ISO2-explains why he Random Voted
ISO3-random votes someone else.
ISO4-unicorns are awesome.
ISO5-says he's a newb. Explains again why he random voted.
ISO6-Points out Kyle wrote his name wrong in a post, (which got the whole misinformation going on kyle active lurking)
ISO7-FOS's to get yabba's attention to a question on why yabba's vote was semi-random
ISO8-asks for what OMGUS and WIFOM is.
ISO9-wants to hear from inactive people(Montgomery and kyle)
ISO10-explains not to AtE
ISO11-Doesn't realize that roles are completely randomized. States how strongly suspicious of how MoB is
ISO12-considers hammering kyle(who's at L-2)
ISO13-votes for kyle because I unvote to keep pressure. kyle once again at L-2. says to people not to hammer.
ISO14-finally realizes kyle is at L-2.
ISO15-Interpretes adriens post incorrectly when I ask adriend a question about it
ISO16-states kyle for forgetting about game. States MoB contributed, but less then kyle. States kyle was lurking. continues asking kyle why he's lurking/inactive.
ISO17-states mob is confused about mafia(i took this at inexperienced). Asks people who their top 3 suspects are. states inactive people and yabba for his semi-random vote from rvs stage.
ISO18-states he never said MoB was inexperienced, and I'm putting words in his mouth.
ISO19-edits 18 and states he said MoB was inexperienced. States there is a limit to inexperience.
ISO20-explains he doesn't think yabba is really that suspicious. (even though he states he thought yabba was in his top 3)
ISO21-explains what FFS is
ISO22-questions why I found kyles BW suspicious(which I had explained quite thoroughly at that point) states I voted for kyle, and that because I was pointing out why I thought kyle was town, that if kyle flipped mafia, I was his scumbuddy. Questions if it's WIFOM
ISO23-Unvotes kyle. States he would vote for MoB but doesn't want to be on the wagon for similar reasons Dekes didnt.(which is strange considering how BOTH of them treated kyle and his wagon)
ISO23-says if MoB is modkilled, we have one less person to worry about.
ISO24-welcomes pacman
ISO25-Votes Montgomery for not posting
ISO26-Gives ISO of Montgomery, but no real information, except montgomery is not posting
ISO27-states Montgomery and Kyle are at a scum-buddy convention for not posting.

The following stuff is really the stuff that just made me question everything...

ISO28-states he's going to the same thing he's suspicious of kyle and montgomery for doing, and start lurking...(when the two of them are actually just inactive, this is what first pinged my scumdar)
ISO29-Gives a PBPA of a few people(but really only gave everyone a sentence except me and Adrian. everyone else was less than a sentence. Dekes has been pushing the game forward the most in your eyes? He's doing what you've been doing, targeting inactive players. How does that move the game forward?)
ISO30-tells dekes about times for inactive player to get pinged
ISO31-makes a comment to the Mod
ISO32-34 states he has a null-town read on everyone but the 2 inactive players.

Tentalas has done pretty much nothing but target the people who haven't posted much and inactive players. This is an extremely lazy way to play this game, as they are the easiest targets to get picked off. This is also a common scum tactic to pull. He's been on or attempted to be on every single opportunistic bandwagon as Dekes has tried to be on. In fact they both have joined wagons near the exact same time. With all the information so far this game, he doesn't even really have a FoS on ANYONE but the inactive people. I find this questionable at best, and scum at worst.

I realized during my insane typing of my case on Dekes, there really isn't anything that attaches him to yabba. But if you look at tent's play, similar bandwagoning with dekes and joining of almost identical times, I think there is quite the connection between these two. so yeah.

unvote:vote Dekes

[Jackabomb]

Montgomery has been sent her final PROD.

[tanstalas]

ISO28-states he's going to the same thing he's suspicious of kyle and montgomery for doing, and start lurking...(when the two of them are actually just inactive, this is what first pinged my scumdar)
ISO29-Gives a PBPA of a few people(but really only gave everyone a sentence except me and Adrian. everyone else was less than a sentence. Dekes has been pushing the game forward the most in your eyes? He's doing what you've been doing, targeting inactive players. How does that move the game forward?)
ISO30-tells dekes about times for inactive player to get pinged
ISO31-makes a comment to the Mod
ISO32-34 states he has a null-town read on everyone but the 2 inactive players.

Tentalas has done pretty much nothing but target the people who haven't posted much and inactive players. This is an extremely lazy way to play this game, as they are the easiest targets to get picked off. This is also a common scum tactic to pull. He's been on or attempted to be on every single opportunistic bandwagon as Dekes has tried to be on. In fact they both have joined wagons near the exact same time. With all the information so far this game, he doesn't even really have a FoS on ANYONE but the inactive people.

I find this questionable at best, and scum at worst.

I realized during my insane typing of my case on Dekes, there really isn't anything that attaches him to yabba. But if you look at tent's play, similar bandwagoning with dekes and joining of almost identical times, I think there is quite the connection between these two. so yeah.

unvote:vote Dekes

I'm just going to address the posts you find "suspicious"
Also what you listed as ISO-28 shows as my ISO-29, but whatever

ISO-28 - You have a very poor sense of sarcasm Beanman, obviously I wasn't going to just start lurking and not post anything. I like how you twist the whole post into just saying I am going to start lurking, when in fact the reason I made that post was to ask how me responding to your comment that I am on the verge of active lurking because I made a joke in the thread.

ISO-29 - I said he has been moving the game forward more than MOST. IE: he is in the top 4 people in this game that are pushing the game onwards, I did not say that he was the only person, nor was the person moving if forward the MOST. Read closer, the word "MOST" changes the whole read of that sentence

ISO-30 - So apparently because I correct a player that makes me scummy?

ISO-31 - So apparently I can't make comments to the mod either, because that makes me suspicious?

ISO-32 - 34 - I said I thought kyle and montgomery were most likely scum, and then if I had to choose who after that was scum it would be you and adrien depending on if pacman or kyle got lynched and how the flipped. I said that yabba and tux I think are pro-town. The only ones I had no real read on were Deskes and pacman. (well I guess if you want to get technical it was also you and adrien - but like I said before if one of those others got lynched and flipped whatever way I'd have a better "feeling" of you two)

@ the bolded - I really don't know if I should defend myself on this, as I will have to bring kyle and montgomery into this conversation again and then you will start beating the "Leave the inactive players alone" horse again.

I will give you the montgomery thing, partially (I did mention that kyle and mont needed to start posting more back on my ISO-9 post). I didn't really focus in on her until after she had disappeared, however, I stated very clearly in a couple posts why she had risen on my suspect list. As far as the kyle thing goes, I have been on him since almost the start of the game, and was on him as well when he "wasn't" inactive.

So, tell you what, I will take my vote off montgomery, as you are right, I have poised her questions and she is not here to defend herself. When/if she gets back she can answer my questions. As well, it appears kyle has not been on the site for awhile and is not just avoiding this game..

I do think they are both scummy though, I already made that one post saying they haven't posted enough near the start of the game and now they are doing it again.. Takes a couple sec to log in and say "Sorry that I haven't been around, I'll post tomorrow" or "Hey Jack, can you get me a replacement?"

I mean something also may have happened personally, maybe a family member died or their house blew up and that is why they haven't posted. I just don't know.

In the meantime until we get replacements or they come back

Unvote

[tanstalas]

ISO26-Gives ISO of Montgomery, but no real information, except montgomery is not posting

What is considered to you to be "real information"? I mentioned why I was voting for her here #1 because she promised us a post of a summary on her thoughts of the last few pages since well, she hadn't posted in 2 days at that point, and #2 reason was because in her posts she was actively lurking, she only made one post in her 14 that contributed to the game. (seriously Beanman, I love how you cherry pick your ISO's, I'm thinking I should go back and redo all yours as you only seem to want to post stuff that makes me look bad) - Oh and yes another reason would be because at this point (when I posted this) she was MIA for 3 days.

ISO27-states Montgomery and Kyle are at a scum-buddy convention for not posting.

Again, wow, come on man, take a joke, hence the emoticon

Tentalas has done pretty much nothing but target the people who haven't posted much and inactive players. This is an extremely lazy way to play this game, as they are the easiest targets to get picked off. This is also a common scum tactic to pull. He's been on or attempted to be on

every single

opportunistic bandwagon as Dekes has tried to be on. In fact they both have joined wagons near the exact same time. With all the information so far this game, he doesn't even really have a FoS on ANYONE but the inactive people. I find this questionable at best, and scum at worst.

Yes, I target the people who haven't posted much, to get an informed decision I need them to post, I am sorry, I do not have psychic powers. The only power I have is MY VOTE - usually in mafia games I play when you start getting votes on people they "magically" show up and say they forgot about the game or whatever and start to post.

As far as your "I have tried to be on every BW that Dekes has been on" I had to check that out
I voted for kyle on Monday the 26th at 7:08pm
Dekes had HIS vote on yabba at this time. On Tuesday at 10:03am he changed his vote to kyle after making points on both MoB and kyle

Dekes voted for MoB on thursday at 3:51am
I unvoted kyle on thursday at 8:10am, though I said he was still a suspect
Dekes switched to Mont on friday at 3:33pm
On Saturday I voted for Mont at 8:46pm

So I guess you could say they were "close" however - if your logic works out, why didn't I vote on yabba's vote, or on the MoB vote? You said EVERY SINGLE opportunistic bandwagon. Oh and also in one case I voted first for someone and in the other case he voted first.

Oh and at one point of the game, I am sure EVERYONE can agree on this, kyle was the person who looked like the #1 suspect.

On the Mont front, I explained why I voted for her, as did Dekes

You are actually looking scummy to me Beanman by misquoting me or massaging the words to make me look guilty.

I would have thought you would have looked out for that sort of thing, especially when you complained earlier about yabba misquoting you in your ISO16:

This is where misquoting becomes bad. I said, if one flips scum, there is a "good case." Adrien is completely implicated. He has been pushing Kyle the hardest, while he has applyed NO pressure on MoB(even though she's "number 2" on his list...) and also, MoB stated she's going to just use Adriens logic in her votes, as taken from post 134. Also Adrien said MoB was completely off the hook(only to "change it later") in the same post he continued to continue to push the vote on kyle.

I'm starting to think you just want to knock of townies and throw dissent around, would explain why you have vote-hopped almost everyone. Reading your last post I thought I was going to get the honor of vote #5 (of a possible 8)

Vote: Beanman

(Hey, you're here! You can't be upset with me voting you)

[Beanman]

@ tent-you know you basically confirmed everything i said, therefore I didnt misquote you @ all... Nice omgus as well, again w/i 24 hours of dekes... can we kill these 2 scum already?

[Beanman]

ebwop-voting me in the exact same way. im null and then become suspicious and bam im voted. just like dekes did...

[Beanman]

ebwo2p-sorry dekes fos'd me, but still similar enough...

[tanstalas]

@ tent-you know you basically confirmed everything i said, therefore I didnt misquote you @ all... Nice omgus as well, again w/i 24 hours of dekes... can we kill these 2 scum already?

OK - You obviously didn't read my post, I will take some of that blame because I should not have put my replies in the quote box, here I will make it easier to read then you can see why I am saying you are misquoting/massaging what I say to make me look like scum

You - ISO26-Gives ISO of Montgomery, but no real information, except montgomery is not posting

Me - What is considered to you to be "real information"? I mentioned why I was voting for her here #1 because she promised us a post of a summary on her thoughts of the last few pages since well, she hadn't posted in 2 days at that point, and #2 reason was because in her posts she was actively lurking, she only made one post in her 14 that contributed to the game. (seriously Beanman, I love how you cherry pick your ISO's, I'm thinking I should go back and redo all yours as you only seem to want to post stuff that makes me look bad) - Oh and yes another reason would be because at this point (when I posted this) she was MIA for 3 days.

You - ISO27-states Montgomery and Kyle are at a scum-buddy convention for not posting.

Me - Again, wow, come on man, take a joke, hence the emoticon

You - Tentalas has done pretty much nothing but target the people who haven't posted much and inactive players. This is an extremely lazy way to play this game, as they are the easiest targets to get picked off. This is also a common scum tactic to pull. He's been on or attempted to be on

every single opportunistic bandwagon

as Dekes has tried to be on. In fact they both have joined wagons near the exact same time. With all the information so far this game, he doesn't even really have a FoS on ANYONE but the inactive people. I find this questionable at best, and scum at worst.

Me - Yes, I target the people who haven't posted much, to get an informed decision I need them to post, I am sorry, I do not have psychic powers. The only power I have is MY VOTE - usually in mafia games I play when you start getting votes on people they "magically" show up and say they forgot about the game or whatever and start to post.

As far as your "I have tried to be on every BW that Dekes has been on" I had to check that out
I voted for kyle on Monday the 26th at 7:08pm
Dekes had HIS vote on yabba at this time. On Tuesday at 10:03am he changed his vote to kyle after making points on both MoB and kyle

Dekes voted for MoB on thursday at 3:51am
I unvoted kyle on thursday at 8:10am, though I said he was still a suspect
Dekes switched to Mont on friday at 3:33pm
On Saturday I voted for Mont at 8:46pm

So I guess you could say they were "close" however - if your logic works out, why didn't I vote on yabba's vote, or on the MoB vote? You said EVERY SINGLE opportunistic bandwagon. Oh and also in one case I voted first for someone and in the other case he voted first.

Oh and at one point of the game, I am sure EVERYONE can agree on this, kyle was the person who looked like the #1 suspect.

On the Mont front, I explained why I voted for her, as did Dekes


And then the stuff outside the quote box

[tanstalas]

EBWOP - and BTW, my nick does not have an "e" in it anywhere.. I think you are going camping everytime you refer to me as tent

[Dekes]

Be aware, this might be my longest post yet. An you can blame it entirely on Beanman's poorly constructed case (and don't even mention the content of it). Really, you should've added quotes and/or Iso's next to every point. Otherwise, you either force people to look up every point themselves (and it's more time consuming than one might think) or have them take all your points for granted. I'm leaning towards that you deliberately constructed it so it would be hard for people to check on your "case". But don't worry, I'll add in quotes and/or Iso's within my answers.

And dammit, tanstalas, for your #356. There are several things I was going to add into my post as well. Now it will be me parroting and buddying and whatnot all over again.

Okay, onto your so-called case, Beanman:

Alright Im going to try and provide every single piece of evidence I have on dekes. There is alot, so Im probably missing some, sadly. This is only partial ISO but the numbers are just repesenting order things have taken place.

1.---First, his RVS. He used random.org. This is worse than bad, because as somewhat pointless as pointing views on someone you random vote, at least they are your own opinions.

How are these two scenarios any different:
Scenario A: Player A: "I used to a randomizer. Vote: Player C!" Player B:"You used a randomizer? Why!? Defend yourself!"
Scenario B: Player A:"I don't like your ava. Vote: Player C!" Player B:"That ava is awesome! Why do you hate it!? Defend yourself!"
In my eyes both scenarios are equally pointless and generate the same amount of discussion. Also I'd like to point out that this was my very first in-game mafia post ever. I tried to be witty. And you include this in your case to peg me as scum? Ridicolous.

2.---He then goes on to state, scum would never protect scum early on in day one, and then voted yabba. look who the other person I think is mafia... distancing much?

Wrong. This is what I wrote:

And this just might be a wee bit WIFOM-y, but a scum defednig his scumbuddy on a vote on the first day that has merely put him at L-3...even in a newbie game...I mean, c'mon, really?

I stated it was WIFOM-y and i never said that this would never happen. I just thought it to be unlikely in this case.
And I voted yabba because he didn't give me the answer I was looking for. It turned out to be a miscommunication. But I knew you would include this in your case. Because miscommunications only happens with scum involved, right?

3.---Is suspicious of me and Adrien.

Utterly wrong. In #65 I answered questions that you asked me. I never suspected one of you. Look it up. This is a very bad point actually.

4.---He then puts kyle at L-1 forcing a claim so extremely early in D1 it's not even funny. States pro's/con's on kyle and mob. States Mob's a "completely-town driven lynch."(three people on wagon are me, kyle and Montgomery) Why the heck would you say you think everyone driving a lynch is town, and then vote for one of the people driving the lynch?!?!?!?

#163
Yes, because of how the wagon developed and the reactions of everyone regarding Mob it was clear at that moment that everybody was suspicious of/uncomfortable with Mob's play style. Of course scum could've slipped in a vote or two but it didn't need one or two vocal persons to lead this wagon to a lynch. Everybody was annoyed by Mob and so it could've been a lynch forced by the whole town.

----vote on kyle is completely opposite to the post just before, read #3. But then just completely pilfers Adriens reasons for voting kyle. This isn't only opportunistic, but it's contradictory behaviors.

Heavily distorted. First part is wrong. And then I go on and openly admit that people before me have stated those reasons (still #163) and add in extra info:

His last post still doesn't convince me. His strange excuse of his own lurking is not a good enough defense for me. And looking back on his posts I see him active lurking for the longest time, then, after being called out, making a horrible post where he's just parroting other users and then making a vote immediately after fence-sitting on that person (yes, I'm aware that I'm just stating now what other people have said before, but this is just a summary to explain my vote) and after that he disappears again - until he's put to L-1 when - boom - he's there not 30 mins later to attack this vote. This leads me to believe that he might have been lurking on purpose all along.

What else is there to add if obvious and convincing arguments against a player have been already stated?

----He states kyle is being very "un-SE-ly" what does that even mean? How is an SE supposed to be exactly? SE's are now supposed to have a certain playstyle? *Possibly WIFOM-SE means 2 games played. Thats really not alot of experience, especially if they get killed off day 1 like the way this game was going to do to him.* He states he doesn't want quickhammer but doesn't change his vote.

This is actually #110. Way to confuse town by hopping around like that. Kyle had posted five times. I already Iso'd those posts in #224. But he had been playing bad up until that point (and even further). He allegedly had forgotten about the game and had added no content but a wishy-washy vote on Mob. Sorry, I expect more from an SE.

As an SE he doesn't get to play the same card Makeorbreak pulled and just

And obviously you see a difference between SE's and newbies, too. Huh, how about that?
And yes, I wanted the pressure maximized so I put him to L-1 because of his play style so far. I wanted him to start posting sensible stuff. And he played better afterwards. Don't see anything wrong with that.

5.---States he's suspicious of kyle because of Lurking.

Back to #163
Misquoted. I was suspicious of his excuse for his lurking (and yes, he was lurking. It doesn't matter if it was intentional or not. If you don't post for two days then it's lurking). And I followed it up with a reasoning for that.

6.---He is continueingly going on about how eager Adrien is to hammer kyle(at this time, Adrien isn't even on kyle's wagon), I completely prove Adrien isn't eager to just kill kyle, by providing Adrien the opportunity to hammer, and he didn't take it.

Wrong. I mention Adrien's eagerness first in....#302. And then I mention it twice afterwards because Adrien asked me about it. Not really what I would call continueingly(?).
And I already explained the Adrien-can't-hammer-kyle situation in #245. And it's still extremely anti-town to put your #1 town pick on the line just to prove a point.

7.---I accuse being opportunistic and possible scum team between him and Adrien.

Correct. You said that. Sadly that doesn't make the content any truer.

8.---He then goes on to confirm his vote on kyle was completely driven by Adrien and yabba, even though he's stated openly how suspicious he is of Adrien all game.(which is going back to agree with point 3, but is contradictory to point 4.)

Wrong and misquoted. I said in #219 that yabba "- in my opionion - gives a valid vote on kyle as a (somewhat) friendly reminder to start posting content". And you turn this into "completely driven". Yeah, Adrien was the most vocal player during the kyle-wagon. I state later on in #245 that "[...]if kyle flips town you have to question Adrien on his behavior". But I never said anywhere I've been suspicious of Adrien all game. On the contrary, I even state several times that Adrien's not on my scumdar. Totally far-fetched and completely wrong.

9.---He then states his suspicion on original Adriens eagerness to kyle, was because of misinterpretation on Adriens part because of how quickly things were going on his kill.

Non-existant. Please show me where I said that.

10.---admits kyle has been posting more content, taking his case away from point 5. (still doesn't unvote)

Taken out of context.

but generally, yes, Kyle has started posting content. But what were his other options? Keep on active lurking? Full blown AtE? Give up? I'm pretty sure all of those things would've gotten him hammered very quickly. So he better damn well had to be starting to post some content. Does not clear him in my book.

I provide reasoning for keeping my vote on him.

11.---states again kyle has been posting more content, taking further his case away from point 5. (still doesn't unvote)

Taken out of context.

I admit, it gets better from there. But with the constant imminent danger of being hammered you had no other choice but to post more content. I know that you not posting for a while could just be you being busy IRL. You aren't supposed to be on all the time. No one seriously should be. But with all the timing of your posts it just seems to me that you can be on/active/needed when you need to be and you just chose not to be active when you didn't have to. Sorry, but that's how you come off to me.

I provide reasoning for keeping my vote on him.

12.---finally unvotes kyle, when the BW is dead, and
---Votes MoB but quickly undoes it, before she can claim, worried about a quick hammer. Different behavior from when he L-1'd kyle. see subject 4

Different situation. Mob's latest post was "Hi, I'm back." I don't wanna get somebody hanged after that post when there's a high possibility of her getting replaced. This was not the case when I put kyle at L-1. Of course you have to deal with these situations differently if the circumstances are so different.

13.---continues to go on about Adrien over eagerness to hammer kyle, even though he was proven wrong on 6, and states his suspicion was wrong on 9. States he has a town read on me.

Void point. This is the first time I mention Adrien's eagerness so it doesn't relate to points 6 and 9, respectively.
Correction: I said:

I still see you as town at the mom, but this just doesn't sit right with me. IGMEOY.

Major difference.

14.---I reiterate and state I still find him suspicious and am all but confirming him as mafia in my eyes.

15.---He turns completely around and HoS's me, going back through the thread to quickly patch together what I find as a not very strong case against me, which is very different then post 13 in which he states he has a town read on me. I take this as very OMGUS'esque, considering 14.

Heavily distorted. I wasn't trying to build a case. You stated something that was wrong and I explained why. "Quickly patched together"? Lol, you might wanna look at your mess of a case. And yes, my view on you has changed. It usually happens during mafia. I'm sorry I didn't have the top suspect on page one already like you d....wait a second, aren't you the guy who voted like 8 times and has thrown suspicions in every direction while carefully watching you don't put somebody at L-1 or even L-2?

Seriously, I don't know what you're trying to accomplish with this so-called case. Did you try to make it as long and confusing as possible so that people would think "Darn, that's so complex, it must be right!"? (Yes, I understand, my post is obviously way longer but I had to clear everything up). Have you tunneled me so much that you can't differentiate logical from scummy? Or are you just wanna confuse town with you half-ass cases against everyone (Tux, kyle, Mob, yabba, tanstalas, me)?
Because that doesn't help very much. Town has to concentrate on too many things in too little time. You know what usually helps? Wagons. Unlike a heated argument between only two people you can usually see everyone's (lack of) reaction to a wagon (including the person being wagoned of course) and you have something to analyze. With that being said and how you've behaved lately, I will

Unvote; Vote: Beanman

(This is my vote! For my own reasons! I stated them right above! But I think everybody will be able to see that as a legitimate independent vote but you, Beanman (inb4 Beanman: "Why do you have to emphasize this so much, huh?" Exactly to prevent this nonsene accusations of OMGSUSing and buddying))

[yabbaguy]

Parenthetical statements are annoying (Yes, I do them myself but still...), so if we could cut down on them (for my sake of readability), that'd be great (not that I want to mess you up or anything, it's just my preference).

Gimme a sec here... I'm at work again, so this may take a while, esp. with the new wagons. :\

[Dekes]

I know it looks annoying now, but it's better than having a case with no indicators of when and where something has been posted. It just makes it too easy to slip in false info.

[Adrien C]

Hmmm...give me a bit to analyze this information.

[Beanman]

AHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Played perfectly. Lazy opportunistic scum to a T. I proved my case with factual evidence on the both of them, now I would like to prove my case with hard undeniable evidence, that these two are mafia. I am so freaking sure these two are mafia, with their really badly "ZOMG YOU PARAPHRASED ME BEANMAN!!!! YOU HAVE TO USE THE SAME WORDS I DID OR YOU MISQUOTED ME!!!!!" and they're "why I am so lazy that I poorly explained myself, oh but here, i was being sarcastic... HOW COULD YOU NOT SEE THAT!!!"

Sorry guys, that I caught ya on the first day. But I did. Let's have a pleasant rest of our brief time together. It will be very brief, and town will win. I am here now going to prove my case against you with hard evidence. You two have nothing on me. Absolutely nothing. Your votes were completely and utterly opportunistic, as were your desired votes for montgomery, as were both your votes on kyle. So here's how this is gonna play out. I am going to vote for myself. Two people are going to jump on my bandwagon. One will vote, I will claim, then one will hammer. My claim will come out as true. Then everyone will look at you two, see that I was right. That you were opportunistic, with absolutely nothing on me, will vote you out, and town will win the game. That simple. Let's make this as painless as possible. Thank you.

I have had fun.

unvote;vote beanman

This is not AtE. Please do not take it as such. There is enough evidence that I have provided and am confident my death will secure. Let's get these scum, guys.

[Adrien C]

Beanman, take that vote off yourself and get back in the game.

[Beanman]

Can't let scum get away, when their caught in a trap perfectly laid out.

My vote stands

[Adrien C]

*facepalm*

[Dekes]

@Beanman
Gloating doesn't become you, mate. So, can we finally expect some shred of proof in the future?
And I'm intrigued: When did you super-elobarate plan take off? Before or after your weak cases against Tux, yabba, etc.?

[yabbaguy]

I still would like to believe that Beanman is town just for not being afraid to take these strong stances, for example how obvtown he believes kyle to be despite that he's a top wagon, but this is beginning to get a bit ridiculous how many players he's looked at believing they have a scummy mindset. Apparently you misrepped Dekes on half the ISO points, which tends to happen a lot with ISO summaries like that, too.

It's innocent until proven guilty. There's only two scum. Who are they

really

?

The other thing I'm really afraid of is that we're succumbing to a recency effect. We haven't seen kyle, montgomery, or whoever may be about to replace them post in a while. I still think one or both of them are scum.

Preview Edit: Beanman, you're trying to get scum lynched. If you're voting yourself, you're voting to lynch (from your vantage) obvtown. That's idiocy and potentially an autoloss for being anti-win condition if you continually insist on being hammered.

[Beanman]

sorry, either me, dekes or tant dies today....

[Dekes]

Played perfectly. Lazy opportunistic scum to a T. I proved my case with factual evidence on the both of them, now I would like to prove my case with hard undeniable evidence, that these two are mafia. I am so freaking sure these two are mafia, with their really badly "ZOMG YOU PARAPHRASED ME BEANMAN!!!! YOU HAVE TO USE THE SAME WORDS I DID OR YOU MISQUOTED ME!!!!!" and they're "why I am so lazy that I poorly explained myself, oh but here, i was being sarcastic... HOW COULD YOU NOT SEE THAT!!!"

I just wanted to address this part. The second part is just plain ludacris and Beanman is getting more and more megalomanic and thinks he can win this thing on his own.
I never said you have to quote me. I said an Iso would suffice just so that people could see what you were referring to. Again you're making facts out of absolutely nothing. And this time in caps lock, too. Very convincing.
As for me being lazy and opportunistic: Yep, that's why it took me 90 minutes to work on a reply for your so-called "not-the-real-thing-it's-just-a-trap-case". And that's why I backed up every single of my votes with solid and subjective reasoning.

I'm really looking forward to your real case.

[Dekes]

EBWOP: And now you're manipulating town into thinking that if you flip scum, tanstalas and I HAVE to be scum. Very townish I must say.