Newbie 985 Game over

[Zachrulez]

I think you need to diescumdie.

[DavidParker]

So is Kalofer your scum buddy then zach? That's why you are using a single quote on me where you claim I'm using a 7 page old case of yours to vote someone (LOL) and because I already find you scummy regardless of flip. Right now, if Kalofer flips scum, I find it likely you are scum. If he flips town, I find it likely you are scum simply by process of elimination (as there is one less townie), although him flipping town wouldn't affect my read on you much, but him flipping scum would (You attacked him for something very scummy that normally an experienced player wouldn't let go of, but now you are happy to let him slide when he claimed scuM? Yeah right. I've already explained why i waited to vote him. I was always planning on voting him by the end of the day).

[Zachrulez]

So my alignment is dependent on what Kalofer flips but I'm likely scum no matter what that flip is?

Die faster please.

[Zachrulez]

Basically I pretty much think everything you say at this point is bullshit because you previously stated a 100% certainty that I was scum, yet are settling for another lynch now.

[DavidParker]

are you daft???

[DavidParker]

Translation: See Post 399

Explanation (since I assume you are): How can anyone be 100% sure anyone is scum? Unless I am your scum-buddy I have no way of knowing you are 100% scum.

As stated, see #399.

[Zachrulez]

Face it, the only thing that's really changed from right before the point you unvoted me was the viability of the wagon. Why push hard to convince people I'm scum when you can back off once it's apparent I'm not likely to get past 3 votes when you can just adapt and focus your efforts on someone who you might be able to lynch without as much effort.

[Zachrulez]

Translation: See Post 399

Explanation (since I assume you are): How can anyone be 100% sure anyone is scum? Unless I am your scum-buddy I have no way of knowing you are 100% scum.

As stated, see #399.

I point you to your ISO #49.

And yes, I actually expected an honest answer to that question.

[DavidParker]

Face it, the only thing that's really changed from right before the point you unvoted me was the viability of the wagon. Why push hard to convince people I'm scum when you can back off once it's apparent I'm not likely to get past 3 votes when you can just adapt and focus your efforts on someone who you might be able to lynch without as much effort.

Because we are 3 (?) days from deadline and need to make sure we get a lynch. That's why.

And as stated, I was always intending on switching my vote to Kalofer.


Cool, you expected an honest answer... Guess what, I didn't give one.

[Zachrulez]

Face it, the only thing that's really changed from right before the point you unvoted me was the viability of the wagon. Why push hard to convince people I'm scum when you can back off once it's apparent I'm not likely to get past 3 votes when you can just adapt and focus your efforts on someone who you might be able to lynch without as much effort.

Because we are 3 (?) days from deadline and need to make sure we get a lynch. That's why.

And as stated, I was always intending on switching my vote to Kalofer.

I simply don't buy it.

Cool, you expected an honest answer... Guess what, I didn't give one.

Hey, we've tapped into the root of one of the issues with your play here! I think we're getting somewhere now.

[DavidParker]

@mod

: When is deadline? I remember you stating it, but it is not on page 1 or on recent vote counts (I'm used to seeing it in one of those two places!). So please verify and maybe include said information either in votecounts or at least on page 1/daystart posts.

[DavidParker]

Your main point in your case against me is a post I made that was blatantly sarcastic.

[Zachrulez]

That, and you're play in general has been blatantly unhelpful to the town. Your scumhunting has left a lot to be desired, and you've repeatedly been gloating about how you haven't had any votes on you.

[Excedrin]

Day 1 Deadline, Sun Aug 8 21:21:00 PDT 2010

Vote Count

DavidParker (2): Nikanor, Zachrulez
Abe27342 (1): tvellalott
tvellalott (2): FakeGod, Kalofer
Kalofer (2): Zombeh-Pug, DavidParker

not voting: Abe27342, NashiNashi
alive: 9 majority: 5

[DavidParker]

I find it scummy that you are voting for me for "unhelpful" behavior (even if anti-town at time), when there has been behavior that you admitted was "scummy" behavior. So you'd rather vote for anti-town behavior as opposed to scummy behavior?? Seems scummy to me.

I think you'll find my scum-hunting has been more impressive than most people in here, and a lot of my comments have sparked discussion in fact.

[DavidParker]

Time to sleep since it's 3am and I have work tomorrow.

Just to make it clear.

FoS: Zachrulez

For his recent actions and contradictions and just general inconsistencies in his play.

Vote: Kalofer

For giving up/semi-claiming scum and just playing a very poor game. Regardless of alignment, you will have to be lynched before LYLO.

[Zachrulez]

Blatently unhelpful is scummy.

Shall we review some of your scumhunting?

OMGUS voting me in a play you claimed was a bait, by playing intentionally scummy and citing that I'm scummy for voting you based on said scummy play. I can't even begin to get into what's wrong with that.

The magic 8-ball, used well after RVS which has allowed you for most of the game to not actually justify any of your play.

Sarcasm and joking behavior in response to serious inquiries where serious responses are desired, which you then use against the questioner as attacking a non serious/sarcastic response. How is that effective exactly? How does any of this actually get you any closer to finding scum. I see more potential to aggravate players actually interested in catching scum to the point where they might actually give up on actually trying to win the game because of your actions. That alone makes you highly likely to be scum.

[Kalofer]

David, I must admit you make a very good point, I did NOT defend myself, personally I take that as a null tell because last game in which I was also town I defended myself, but then people said I defended myself too much and lynched me anyways. This time when the game suddenly turned against me I felt very disillusioned and instead of defense I was looking for answers because just like in my last game I did something that somehow alerted a lot of people and that ultimately got me lynched. Still, fluff away you make a good point and if you manage to convince everyone else that I'm scum with that point by all means lynch me. One thing I'm sure about however is that either me, you or Zach are gonna die this day and I'll let luck/fate decide who.

UNVOTE: Tvellalot
VOTE: DavidParker

[Kalofer]

"poor game" what the hell is that supposed to mean, how can someone's playing be regarded as poor or good/rich? I feel sooooooo offended. And I have to be killed "regardless of alignment" wow that's great so you're saying if scum play really well let's not lynch them cause they play really well, let's lynch the townie that sucks instead. Thanks a lot.

[Zachrulez]

Kalofer, you wouldn't happen to have a link to the parts of that game where that happens would you? I mostly want one for easier viewing and verification. I've already kinda looked through that game already though and I can see that as a reasonable explanation for your reaction to the pressure. (As an alternative to actually being scum.)

What I did look up previously did feature you heavily defending yourself.

[Kalofer]

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 1&start=50

I think it all starts from there, in which once again a misunderstanding with what I've said occurs and every attempt to defend myself is criticised and condemned as being scummier than the last causing me to go insane and finally do the stupid thing of self hammering (I couldn't stand a game were everyone was certain I'm scum and no one listened to me, wanted it to end as fast as possible). Thank God it's relatively short. I hope I did the link part right.

[Zachrulez]

Crap, I didn't notice that game was still ongoing. Still it should be fine since you didn't specifically mention any opinions on any of the players in that game.

[DavidParker]

@Mod

: Requesting Kalofer be modkiller.

[DavidParker]

EBWOP: Modkilled*

[DavidParker]

Explanation: not only bringing up an ongoing game, but using it to defend himself in this game. Blatant disrespect for rules, and using it to create an unfair advantage.