Open 236 - Pamplona Mafia (C9++) Game Over

[Ythan]

This isn't an issue of pride it's an issue of the same stupid anti-town behavior I see all the time when people can't read a thread to answer their own damn questions.

[Alduskkel]

It's you not being able to answer one little question either because you don't have a good answer or you consider it below you.

This doesn't have to be a big issue. Why are you making it one?

[Ythan]

It is you who is making it a big issue by asking me to repeat myself instead of reading for the information you're making a pretense of wanting to know. If you actually want to know you'd be scrolling up to read it.

[Alduskkel]

Ythan, I've explained the process I went through in order to decide on voting for you.

You just said I lied and didn't explain further.

I ask how drmy was disingenuous. You said he's disingenuous because he's not being genuine. You don't need a dictionary to know that disingenuous = not being genuine. So your logic is one big circle of he's scummy because he's scummy.

You ask a question that could result in the Mafia finding vigilante(s) easier. When me and The Fonz ask you about it, you say you were just speculating. Which doesn't address the anti-town aspect of it at all.

I don't know how I can be any more clear. You haven't explained

anything

.

[Ythan]

I did not say he is disingenuous being he's not being genuine, actually. And if you want me to flip out over the fact that I asked an anti-town question, I'm not going to. I acknowledge that it was a mistake. I don't know what you hope to gain by continuing to harp on it. That situation is over, it's not going to develop any further.

[Alduskkel]

Okay. What makes it disingenuous?

It does not. Read. As genuine. Next.

[Ythan]

It is a real shame that that isn't what you said I said.

[Ythan]

Are you so great a fool as to conflate gut with tautology?

[Alduskkel]

It is a real shame that that isn't what you said I said.

It's a direct quote.

[Ythan]

Ugh. Spoonfeed mode. It, what you quoted, is not what you, Alduskkel, said that I, Ythan, said, tautology.

[Alduskkel]

Dr, you're scum. Your hop onto Net is disingenuous and your demand that he provide meta to dispute it as well.

And yet, you have no problem with ekiM's vote. Why?

Is there supposed to be some contradiction here?

Yeah. What's the difference between drmy and ekiM's votes?

Well I said that Dr's was disingenuous. It's still in the quote pyramid actually.

Okay. What makes it disingenuous?

It does not. Read. As genuine. Next.

Elaborate. It's disingenuous because it doesn't read as genuine? Lame.

Are you some kind of maroon. I think you're lying. How much clearer can I make that for you.

How about you actually elaborate like I asked?

Yep.

Obviously not an elaboration.

Since the response-chain is right here for you, why don't you identify what it is exactly here that is an explanation of what makes drmy's vote disingenuous?

[Ythan]

You foolish fool. How many times do I have to say gut. Gut gut gut. Gut gut. Intestines bowels. Sphincter.

[Beefster]

Gut doesn't cut it for me. I've found my gut doesn't work over the internet.

[Ythan]

Then mope about it or move on? I don't need to explain myself further. If you don't like it then you can vote. That's that.

[Beefster]

I already voted you and I'm moving on.

[The Fonz]

Ythan, I'm getting pissed off with you not answering my question and then saying you've already answered it. I've read you in ISO, and I don't see an answer. I get that you were speculating about the setup. I want to know WHY. This is what I do. I try to look for some semblance of a thought process intended to help the town. If I can't find one, I assume scum. I'm already suspicious enough of the fact you didn't see a problem with the question that is really, really, obvious.

Now, assume that no-one had a problem with your question. Three people say they are devoted disciples of that enemy of good theory, Pie_Is_Good, and will vig N0. The other eight have half a brain, and say they won't. What do you expect to conclude from this? And even more importantly, how did you think that would help you or others find scum, which of course is what town play is all about?

Same question if eight people are Piediots and three are sane.

[Zajnet]

The Fonz has a solid point there, Ythan. What were you hoping to accomplish with your question?

[Netlava]

Okay, so I've been taking a closer look at the Ythan-Aldusskel argument and here are my thoughts:

Ythan's claim that Alduskkel's random vote is a lie is interesting because it's a very strong accusation. However, I can't think of a good reason for someone to lie over a random vote.

Ythan and Alduskkel both accusing each other of active lurking is a pretty pointless argument, imo. Same with the argument over quoting.

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Err, is it really not clear from my recent posts?

No it's not clear. Who do you find scummy?

[yabbaguy]

I'll stack Ythan's meta of being noticeably more bitter and hostile as scum on top of the laundry list of everything else stated. I also don't believe his reply to me, I think Ald's explanation of his random vote, which granted, is a pointless random vote that's the equivalent of doing it with a randomizer, is quite sufficient. I also don't believe Ythan on the "uncertain of the impact" statement for finding a question to ask come the RVS/RQS/BBQ. If you expect a question to be potentially Town-negative, find something else that ignites the pyrotechnics in a way that they won't explode in your face.

Vote: Ythan

Meta is here. (starts at post 908 if your browser is funky) Notice the non-deserved usage of the word spoon-feed at 913. That sounds familiar.

I've never seen a meta read this categorically accurate in my life.

[Ythan]

blah blah

Semi-open setup means that I don't know what the setup is but I can figure it out, to an extent. I want to know as much as possible. I was speculating in the literal sense. In my head. There is no why. It's what I was doing.

The Fonz has a solid point there, Ythan. What were you hoping to accomplish with your question?

Nice contribution.

I'll stack Ythan's meta of being noticeably more bitter and hostile as scum on top of the laundry list of everything else stated.

Posting a single game where I act this way as scum is a poor attempt to use meta when I do act exactly the same way as town. All you're doing is showing I act a certain way, a certain way everyone knows I act. Not really how to use meta.

[Zajnet]

The Fonz has a solid point there, Ythan. What were you hoping to accomplish with your question?

Nice contribution.

Thanks.

I'll stack Ythan's meta of being noticeably more bitter and hostile as scum on top of the laundry list of everything else stated.

Posting a single game where I act this way as scum is a poor attempt to use meta when I do act exactly the same way as town. All you're doing is showing I act a certain way, a certain way everyone knows I act. Not really how to use meta.

This is exactly true. I really, really don't like yabba's use of Meta there, but it could just be that he doesn't know that you do that as town. IDK. Either way it looks bad for him.

[Ythan]

Considering that he bothered to attempt to differentiate my scum play from my town play he can't get off the hook by saying he just doesn't know one.

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 1.5

Netlava - 3 - The Fonz, ekiM, drmyshottyizsik
Ythan - 3 - Alduskkel, Beefster, yabbaguy
Alduskkel - 2 - kyle99, Ythan
Beefster - 1 - Dry-fit
drmyshottyizsik - 1 - Netlava


Not voting: Zajnet

With 11 alive, it is 6 to lynch. Deadline: August 16

[yabbaguy]

Okay, he uses spoonfeed as both alignments. Fine.

But according to his wiki, he's only been lynched once as Town-aligned, so I looked there (skimmed through MN930; two months old). At least when he was under suspicion, he appeared to be behaving rationally (self-vote aside). My perception is still that the points on him are valid while here he's piecing up arguments to the point where they make no sense in an attempt to distract. Fact of the matter is that he's done scummy things, and filibustering isn't going to get him out of it.

FOS: Zajnet

though for fence-sitting. You're saying stuff about how "it looks bad for me" and "you don't like it", but you point these suspicions out as if from an omniscient point of view without you actually calling it scummy. It hurts my mind that you'd talk to Ythan almost as if in conversation though.

[Zajnet]

FOS: Zajnet

though for fence-sitting. You're saying stuff about how "it looks bad for me" and "you don't like it", but you point these suspicions out as if from an omniscient point of view without you actually calling it scummy. It hurts my mind that you'd talk to Ythan almost as if in conversation though.

I hate to bring up my own meta, but I do that in every game. That's just my play style.

I'm going to be V/LA for about 48 hours

, then you can expect a nice big Wall'0 Text from me.

V/LA noted. ~~NS