Newbie 988-Apocalypse(Over)-Scum win

[tanstalas]

Tan-lurking is not a scumtell. Let the our great mod handle long periods of inactivity.

Sorry, have been busy and will just reply to the past couple of posts.

I should be able too write a summary on my thoughts of the past few pages in a few hours

. For the record I think MOB emailing is another act of trolling, the exact same thing happened to me last game and instead of resorting to emailing a fellow member of the game, I waited. It didn't take longer then 24 hours and surely because

MOB has been posting very sprodically throughout

- they would be okay with waiting the extra time. I just don't think someone who takes this game seriously would do something like that.

The above bolded is why I voted

First Bolded: Where is the post we were promised?
Second Bolded: MoB was posting sprodically? Assume you meant sporadically... anyhow that's like the kettle calling the teapot black, Mont's posting has been 3 saturday, 1 sunday, 8 monday, 1 tuesday and 1 thursday.

If she meant sporadically as in her posts were all over the place and didn't contribute much to the game, I will agree, however Mont's posts, while better were a lot of fluff as well. To sum up her 14 posts
1)RVS
2)EBWOP
3)RVS
4)OMGUS reply
5)Only decent post. Gives some reasoning behind voting MoB, throws a little suspicion on Adrien and questioning bean
6)Posts to ask to keep on topic
7)What does AtE mean?
8)Asks Dekes the exact same question she asked Bean in post #5
9)I know know what AtE is!
10)MoB is a troll
11)MoB is a troll
12)Roles are randomized
13)MoB is a troll
14)MoB is a troll

Basically, the only post Mont has made this game that helped move the game was made almost a week ago..

Also voted her as like I said in my previous post she has been strangely quiet since her #1 suspect has been replaced, would like her to comment on the latest happenings.

[Adrien C]

Tanstalas makes good points, but I'm also wondering where Kyle disappeared off to.

[pacman281292]

Bold=mine, erased the quotes in order to economize space (and avoid creating text walls, which I hate).

AdrienC:

Opaque why that is. Offers no analysis.

I don't know what to feel about this one. He has been triggering up the discussion, and his posts are often quite short, but concise IMO. Now, I don't know if call him "wishy-washy" or "good player who catches good details (yeah terrible wording here... my english sucks)". I lean somewhat to the latter, but I'm not entirely sure.

Beanman:

Slightly = on the fence. Yeah, you can have a couple of those. Again though, it's more information and not you analyzing.

I think it means good, but I'm not sure on what you mean...

Dekes:

k.

kyle:

Stance is very, very wishy washy. How the hell does "not particularly scummy" come up yet a "somewhat scummy" action has been stated without really stating anything that's pro-Town on him? Why not just say scummy?

Well, his initial lurking was, well, lurking, and attacking the enemy wagon is a common scum tactic (but also is a town tactic in some cases ,so bleh). Also, he hasn't posted since I replaced in. I'd call slightly scummy, but I can't be sure.

montgomery:

At least there's analysis in this one. But geez, this is the only one you state you are outright suspicious of. Why only slight considering you haven't given stronger FoS' to anyone else in the game?

Well, I've just arrived. I don't often attack sharply unless I have some more evidence, much less when I've just arrived. The one I'm most suspicious of is montgomery, but I think it may be due to her little contribution, and due to her being busy, hence the FoS not being so strong.

tanstalas:

What do you make of the hammer? What are the scummy and townie attractions pulling on your view of him?

I don't understand what you mean here, sorry...

Tuxhedoh:

Opaque.

As I've seen, Tux's posts are not bad, and I considered it somewhat well the face he hadn't stuck up to the "kyle vs MoB" thing, thus giving some more discusson (hence town-ish).

yabbaguy:

Translucent at best.

Well that's your work as an IC, and IMO you have made well. Elsewhere, I don't still have a clear town-scum read.

What also irks me is that despite the fact you've been here longer than me,

(I've not played mafia games at MS during a full year, so I've forgotten some things. I'm getting just back on shape.)

you're basing scumtells off of the friggin' post scoreboard.

(Not right. I put that as a comparision)

Why is this even included in your reads of everyone? It says absolutely nothing as a standalone, considering I've made quite a handful of "Sorry, I owe a post." posts during the game.

(But you answered them...)

Let's get the reply from you before I go any further. My overall impression from the reread is that you're fence-sitting scum. This is a textbook case of someone who really has a stance on what alignment someone is, yet is trying to keep doors open by rooting up certain scummy actions they've done that could potentially be worth turning around on.

In some cases, it's just Information Instead of Analysis, capitalized because it's a site-recognized tell. That's the equivalent of saying a lot, and yet baselessly taking a stand.

[pacman281292]

OH **** I CLICKED THE WRONG BUTON...
EBWOP: About the "Info not analysis" thing: Yeah, you are right about that one. Sorry for that. I'll try to improve my "analysis" (I seem to have forgotten way too much stuff...)

[Beanman]

@dekes,

No. Nothing I've done is contradictory. Simply reading my posts, proves this. Please stop baseless accusations, and taking things out of context, doing so, is nothing but scummy behaviours. I've proven my case against you, already. I've explained everything, very thoughouly. My case against you, is extremely strong. It's pretty much between you and tux on which is yabba's scum partner. I'm leaning closer to you, with that last post, and completely on you, if tux provides even the slightest case against you, before this day 1 ends.

[tanstalas]

Tanstalas makes good points, but

I'm also wondering where Kyle disappeared off to.

Maybe there is a scum-buddy convention somewhere?

[Beanman]

Tanstalas makes good points, but

I'm also wondering where Kyle disappeared off to.

Maybe there is a scum-buddy convention somewhere?

You are now on the verge of active lurking. I don't mean to be offensive, but could you please contribute to the game, in more ways, than just attacking players who are not defending themselves? AFK players get replaced, they do not get lynched.

[Beanman]

EBWOP-the above was directed towards tanstalas

[tanstalas]

Tanstalas makes good points, but

I'm also wondering where Kyle disappeared off to.

Maybe there is a scum-buddy convention somewhere?

You are now on the verge of active lurking. I don't mean to be offensive, but could you please contribute to the game, in more ways, than just attacking players who are not defending themselves? AFK players get replaced, they do not get lynched.

I vote Mont because she had been lurking (well at least NOT posting) since her #1 suspect was replaced, you then tell me that is not a scumtell, so I go into a bigger post to explain all my reasoning behind voting for her (however you must have missed that post) but you just concentrate on my joke post about a scum-buddy convention and accuse me of active lurking?

I don't think that is any big surprise that the two people I have been most vocal about in this game in that I have FoS'd and voted for have been kyle and mont (refer back to ISO-9 post from me - and also was MoB for a bit there) - and now you are saying basically don't discuss who could be scum if they aren't here to defend themselves?

I mentioned those two way back in my ISO-9 post for not posting enough, they surfaced for a bit after that and now have slunk back to the shadows.

OK - fine, I won't bother posting again until those two start talking again.

If anyone needs me - I'll be lurking in the shadows with Mont and Kyle

[Beanman]

ugh, i didn't mean that, i mean, there are other people discussing things, and I'd like to hear your 2 cents on them. I.E. what you think of Me, Adrien, Pac's PBPA.

[Jackabomb]

Montgomery has been prodded.

[tanstalas]

ugh, i didn't mean that, i mean, there are other people discussing things, and I'd like to hear your 2 cents on them. I.E. what you think of Me, Adrien, Pac's PBPA.

Here - I'll break down everyone so I don't seem like I am "lurking"

Adrien - I originally thought all you guys were crazy for suspecting Adrien, though lately.. (Gonna sound like I'm parroting Dekes here) The "get her to L-1 and I'll hammer" thing is suspicious since the post just before that said he would not hammer kyle because he wants to give a person a chance to defend themself before he hammers. If we ever lynch pacmac(MoB) and he flips scum I'll be looking at Adrien; as he was all going after kyle but when it looked like MoB might be going down he was all gung-ho to take her out, and while Dekes thinks that he was doing that because he knew she would flip town I'd argue that he could be doing a case of bussing and saw that MoB might go down and wanted to distance himself from her.

Beanman - Like someone else mentioned, you have pointed your fingers at 5 out of a possible 8 players so far this game. Now I don't expect you to have a definite read on anyone since it's only day 1, but I'm seeing a lot of vote-switching. Also you seem to be very pro-kyle in your posts, actually doing a better job of defending kyle than kyle of defending kyle. If kyle flips scum, I'll be looking your way.

Dekes - He has seemed to move the game forward more than most of the other people in this game, I do not see anything scummy from him

pacman - For coming into game late I think he has a pretty good read on everyone and when prodded by yabba for more clarification I think he did a pretty good job answering his questions.

yabba - Not really much of a read on him. I am leaning towards him being pro-town as he is really one of the few people in this game that is trying to keep the day going as he doesn't seem to want a mislynch (or it could be that the town is leaning towards his scum buddy and wants to steer us away from them)

Tux - No real read on him either, going to say most likely pro-town, we seem to be looking at the same people (kyle and pre-pacman(MoB) though we do differ on dekes. I do not see anything scummy from dekes while I believe he is in Tux's top 3.

[Dekes]

@dekes,

No. Nothing I've done is contradictory. Simply reading my posts, proves this. Please stop baseless accusations, and taking things out of context, doing so, is nothing but scummy behaviours. I've proven my case against you, already. I've explained everything, very thoughouly. My case against you, is extremely strong.

Wrong. And you're very generous with the word scummy, my friend. I think your scumhunting in almost every direction has made you stumble quite some times. I can't even keep track on all your obvious scum teams anymore.

Okay, here's why you're wrong:

In your Iso #22 you lecture me how two scum partners can even go to extreme measures of bussing to distance themselves from each other. Then you go on and attack me because I was taking a firm stance on who I thought the scum teams were (our couldn't be) and you state that you don't know who the scum teams are but it's your to goal find out. Yet you continously state scum (teams) as if they were fact. Seems a bit hypocritical to attack me for things you yourself do multiple times.

Ending this post you say:

I can't wait to hear your case on kyle, because I bet I have a much more evidence on you, than you do on him... But I'm gonna let you present your case on kyle, before I present my case on you.

Fair enough.

In your next Iso (#23) you're starting to attack Tux for not posting a case on me right that moment.

After that I reply to every single point of your #22 and give (half) an Iso of kyle. And all you can come up with is your little setup for Adrien to prove me he won't hammer (which - not surprisingly at all - worked). But that is not having an extremely strong case on me.

In Iso #44 and #45 you again attack Tux for not posting his case on me with a big fat contradiction right in the middle:

Tux-I never accused you of waiting till day 2, I quoted you that you were waiting till day 2.

About Tuxhedo, I have a complete opposite on him. I lean towards scummy. He has NOT posted enough content in that he states he has a case on Dekes, and states he's going to purposefully with hold that information until day two. I see no purpose for town to state they have a case and then state they're not sharing with the class

Then [Tuxedo] goes on to say he has a case against Dekes, and is purposefully witholding that information. I see no reason in witholding information that could benefit town.

Either I'm paranoid as a motherf*cker or this post is damn shady as hell....

If those aren't accusations I don't know what is.

And that's it. In your next Iso #46 you say you have an extremely strong case on me. So where is it? Because you sure as hell haven't posted it. And unless you do so it is utterly hypocritical of you to attack Tux for waiting with his case.

And this right here is without a doubt the best part of your posts so far:

I'm leaning closer to you, with that last post, and completely on you, if tux provides even the slightest case against you, before this day 1 ends.

So, if Tux were to be scum, you would totally back off of him if he handed in a case against me - no matter how weak and illogical it would be? I'm sure scum will thank you for this statement now that they know how easy it is to convince you of their innocence.

HoS: Beanman

@Adrien
Yeah, I can see how those two are different (and I stated as much earlier). Still it seems a bit off how you handled the whole kyle-hammering situation. I will look into it again if it comes up again.

@mod: Can you check kyle for a prod. I'm pretty sure he's due once you're awake.

[tanstalas]

@ Dekes - He has until 5:56am EST (roughly 1 hour and 20 min from now)- according to Mod it is 72 hours, no more, no less lol

[Jackabomb]

Although I should not be awake right now kyle has precisely 57 minutes from this post before prod.

[tanstalas]

Although I should not be awake right now kyle has precisely 57 minutes from this post before prod.

Wish there was a cumulative timer. Sucks that you prod once every 72 hours, and they can make a quick post, then lurk for another 72 hours..

For a game where your rule #5 stated "I expect more than the bare minimum of posting" it's sad that you have had to send 2 prods(within a few hours of each other at that!) and we are still only in day 1

I feel for you man!

Go have a coffee or something

[Beanman]

@dekes, Man, This game must be getting to me, I swore I had already posted my case against you, but I guess that MoB fiasco right when I was going to must have thrown me so far into a loop of confusion, seems I missed it. It was only 2 lines too, but I still felt even as short as it was, that it was a stronger case than you had on kyle. I will look through the posts again, but if I can't find it, I'll provide all my info on you. But first, I'm gonna get sleep, and I'll do it when I wake up, cause I am too tired atm, and it should end up being a decent sized post.

[Jackabomb]

kyle has been prodded.

Precisely 6 hours and 43 minutes from now, montgomery will receive her final prod before replacement.

[Adrien C]

Was this the post you were referring to Dekes?

There is no case on kyle anymore. He stopped active lurking along ass time ago, and is contributing his own ideas. His bandwagon is scummy as hell, as it's wasteing valuable scum hunting time.

unvote; vote Dekes

I want a damn good reason from you and the other BW's as to why kyle is even remotely being looked at as scum, otherwise your looking like very opportunistic scum to me...

[Adrien C]

EBWOP: Meant Bean, not Dekes.

[Jackabomb]

Vote count 1.12
Pacman-

Montgomery, kyle99;

Tanstalas-

;

Dekes-

;

kyle99-

Tuxhedoh;

Beanman-

;

yabbaguy-

Beanman;

Montgomery-

Tanstalas, Dekes;

Not voting-

yabbaguy, Adrien C, Pacman;

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch or no lynch.
11 days until deadline.

[Beanman]

Alright Im going to try and provide every single piece of evidence I have on dekes. There is alot, so Im probably missing some, sadly. This is only partial ISO but the numbers are just repesenting order things have taken place.

1.---First, his RVS. He used random.org. This is worse than bad, because as somewhat pointless as pointing views on someone you random vote, at least they are your own opinions.

2.---He then goes on to state, scum would never protect scum early on in day one, and then voted yabba. look who the other person I think is mafia... distancing much?

3.---Is suspicious of me and Adrien.

4.---He then puts kyle at L-1 forcing a claim so extremely early in D1 it's not even funny. States pro's/con's on kyle and mob. States Mob's a "completely-town driven lynch."(three people on wagon are me, kyle and Montgomery) Why the heck would you say you think everyone driving a lynch is town, and then vote for one of the people driving the lynch?!?!?!?
----vote on kyle is completely opposite to the post just before, read #3. But then just completely pilfers Adriens reasons for voting kyle. This isn't only opportunistic, but it's contradictory behaviors.
----He states kyle is being very "un-SE-ly" what does that even mean? How is an SE supposed to be exactly? SE's are now supposed to have a certain playstyle? *Possibly WIFOM-SE means 2 games played. Thats really not alot of experience, especially if they get killed off day 1 like the way this game was going to do to him.* He states he doesn't want quickhammer but doesn't change his vote.

5.---States he's suspicious of kyle because of Lurking.

6.---He is continueingly going on about how eager Adrien is to hammer kyle(at this time, Adrien isn't even on kyle's wagon), I completely prove Adrien isn't eager to just kill kyle, by providing Adrien the opportunity to hammer, and he didn't take it.

7.---I accuse being opportunistic and possible scum team between him and Adrien.

8.---He then goes on to confirm his vote on kyle was completely driven by Adrien and yabba, even though he's stated openly how suspicious he is of Adrien all game.(which is going back to agree with point 3, but is contradictory to point 4.)

9.---He then states his suspicion on original Adriens eagerness to kyle, was because of misinterpretation on Adriens part because of how quickly things were going on his kill.

10.---admits kyle has been posting more content, taking his case away from point 5. (still doesn't unvote)

11.---states again kyle has been posting more content, taking further his case away from point 5. (still doesn't unvote)

12.---finally unvotes kyle, when the BW is dead, and
---Votes MoB but quickly undoes it, before she can claim, worried about a quick hammer. Different behavior from when he L-1'd kyle. see subject 4

13.---continues to go on about Adrien over eagerness to hammer kyle, even though he was proven wrong on 6, and states his suspicion was wrong on 9. States he has a town read on me.

14.---I reiterate and state I still find him suspicious and am all but confirming him as mafia in my eyes.

15.---He turns completely around and HoS's me, going back through the thread to quickly patch together what I find as a not very strong case against me, which is very different then post 13 in which he states he has a town read on me. I take this as very OMGUS'esque, considering 14.

I can provide quotes for anyone if needed. Hope this format makes sense, I will answer any questions you might have. XD

[Adrien C]

I'm going over the ISO myself to make sure none of this is taken out of context, but Beanman might be on to something here.

[pacman281292]

Dang, internet epic fails...

I'll await for Dekes' response before stating my opinion about him. I'll follow Adrien and check the ISO, as for I seem to have missed something there...
@tanstalas: I'm checking your post, same way I did with yabba's. Bold=mine.

Adrien - I originally thought all you guys were crazy for suspecting Adrien, though lately.. (Gonna sound like I'm parroting Dekes here) The "get her to L-1 and I'll hammer" thing is suspicious since the post just before that said he would not hammer kyle because he wants to give a person a chance to defend themself before he hammers. If we ever lynch pacmac(MoB) and he flips scum I'll be looking at Adrien; as he was all going after kyle but when it looked like MoB might be going down he was all gung-ho to take her out, and while Dekes thinks that he was doing that because he knew she would flip town I'd argue that he could be doing a case of bussing and saw that MoB might go down and wanted to distance himself from her.

I disagree. MoB wasn't posting anything meaningful, so that's why Adrien was so much willing to hammer her. I don't think that a MoB=scum flip would have meant Adrien=scum so outrightly. The rest seems poorly worded; I don't understand it.

Beanman - Like someone else mentioned, you have pointed your fingers at 5 out of a possible 8 players so far this game. Now I don't expect you to have a definite read on anyone since it's only day 1, but I'm seeing a lot of vote-switching. Also you seem to be very pro-kyle in your posts, actually doing a better job of defending kyle than kyle of defending kyle. If kyle flips scum, I'll be looking your way.

I'm not so sure... Yeah, Bean has been somewhat wishy-washy, but defending kyle doesn't mean he might be a scumpartner, but rather might mean that Bean didn't think kyle was so much scummy.

The other ones were just short lines. This might sound somewhat hypocritical, but, might you elaborate on those ones?

[tanstalas]

Dekes and Pacman - No read either way

yabba and Tux - Leaning anti-town

adrien and beanman - neutral - depending on if you or kyle die and what you flip to be

kyle and montgomery - leaning more towards anti-town than yabba and tux for reasons stated many times in previous posts