Open 239 - C9++

[Fate]

I'll just pretend you said:

"HA! Good postin' Fate. Yeah NS fell for it pretty bad Vote: NS. <3 you Ythill."

You can stop tunneling Ythill for null tells now... if he commits REAL tells (Ythillscum? Scumtell? HA!) then sure we'll get some conf-townies and shit.

[Fate]

TRAP SPRUNG

What.....?

Damn it Ythill. *arrows pointing to NS' #42*

Fate, darling, you're going to have to understand something about me: I DON'T GET CRYPTIC SHIT LIKE THIS. If you have something to say, SAY IT. In WORDS.

*cryptic hand signals*

You think you can get away with murder? This isn't 1942 anymore...

[Nobody Special]

I hate you.

[Ythill]

I'm pretty sure if you think hard enough you can see what he was doing...

Well, duh. You jumped the gun though.

UNVOTE: ani
VOTE: Nobody Special because Fate asked so nice.

Convince me.

You already know my alignment, silly. Are you pissed that Reck protected me last night?

I think we've got some lurker scumz.

[Andrius]

Are you pissed that Reck protected me last night?

You know this how? Or is this just speculation?

Unvote, Vote: Animorpherv1

Needs to be prodded with an electric caddle prod.

And Fate, I didn't see any "trap". (Then again I am very unobservant, as noted in my wiki.)

[AGar]

I'll just pretend you said:

"HA! Good postin' Fate. Yeah NS fell for it pretty bad Vote: NS. <3 you Ythill."

You can stop tunneling Ythill for null tells now... if he commits REAL tells (Ythillscum? Scumtell? HA!) then sure we'll get some conf-townies and shit.

Oh, this is at me. Lol.

Alright, I'd be happy to oblige a wagon on NS.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nobody Special

[Nobody Special]

Vote: Ythill

for not knowing who he's playing with.

Heh. At least you know I'm not scum with Unsight/AGar.

Please explain this. Slowly, you know how I get.

Convince me.

You already know my alignment, silly. Are you pissed that Reck protected me last night?

This, too. Again, slowly, so I can savor every word.

Or maybe Doc RECK prevented a kill.

Or GF/SK/RB did. I don't think setup speculation is very helpful at this point, but it's nice to know we're dealing with 3 mafia.

Maybe it's because I'm suffering set-up fatigue, but I just cannot glean how you "know" we're dealing with 3 mafia. I agree that setup speculation is worthless

to a point;

but you've either got brilliant insight here or you've just slipped. (And, as I said, I may be blinded because I just spent days setting up a game from this same schema. Humour me.)

[Andrius]

Maybe it's because I'm suffering set-up fatigue, but I just cannot glean how you "know" we're dealing with 3 mafia. I agree that setup speculation is worthless to a point; but you've either got brilliant insight here or you've just slipped. (And, as I said, I may be blinded because I just spent days setting up a game from this same schema. Humour me.)

Well, either he's part of the Mafia/ the SK.
If he's not part of the above, there's only one way I can see (setup-wise) that he would know. (And yes, I have spent some time screwing around with the C9++ setup process.)

[Mafuyu]

Or maybe Doc RECK prevented a kill.

Or GF/SK/RB did. I don't think setup speculation is very helpful at this point, but it's nice to know we're dealing with 3 mafia.

Maybe it's because I'm suffering set-up fatigue, but I just cannot glean how you "know" we're dealing with 3 mafia. I agree that setup speculation is worthless

to a point;

but you've either got brilliant insight here or you've just slipped. (And, as I said, I may be blinded because I just spent days setting up a game from this same schema. Humour me.)

Damnit Ythill, what did Mafuyu JUST say about T-based speculation? You JUST QFT'd it!

@Andrius: Yes. Hence why Mafuyu DIDN'T WANT SPECULATION. Speculation not only provides scum their targets, but potential role configurations which allows for more directed attacks.



Mafuyu is thinking slip. Oh look Fate, there's the 'SK come out pl0x' comment you tried to foist on to Mafuyu's previous post. Anyway, it happens to add an interesting context to this post:

You already know my alignment, silly. Are you pissed that Reck protected me last night?

If Mafuyu is correct (which Mafuyu rarely is), this could be seen as a communication-based gambit. If both anti-town parties know each other, they can at the very least temporarily truce. This would be beneficial for Ythill-SK in the terms that Ythill-SK cannot be betrayed easily for two reasons: the first being that there would have to be a cooperative Vig for an NK to take place on Ythill, the second being that scum would not be able to out Ythill-SK without losing at least one player, in this hypothetical instance NS. The obvious flaw is that the second Ythill statement makes no sense due to Mafuyu's previous mention of SK's NK protection, so meh.

Long story short, Mafuyu is probably balls-crazy with that interpretation, but it's probably worth having for the record. Hopefully. Mafuyu hates being dead wrong and wasting space for it.

[Andrius]

@Andrius: Yes. Hence why Mafuyu DIDN'T WANT SPECULATION. Speculation not only provides scum their targets, but potential role configurations which allows for more directed attacks.

Yep. Conversation over now.

If Mafuyu is correct (which Mafuyu rarely is), this could be seen as a communication-based gambit. If both anti-town parties know each other, they can at the very least temporarily truce. This would be beneficial for Ythill-SK in the terms that Ythill-SK cannot be betrayed easily for two reasons: the first being that there would have to be a cooperative Vig for an NK to take place on Ythill, the second being that scum would not be able to out Ythill-SK without losing at least one player, in this hypothetical instance NS. The obvious flaw is that the second Ythill statement makes no sense due to Mafuyu's previous mention of SK's NK protection, so meh.

Sooo... you're saying he's either SK or... that. But you're leaning Ythill_SK why?
Though I wouldn't put a ballsy scum-gambit like contacting the SK D1 past Fate... :igmeoy:

[Ythan]

Mafuyu (0):
Fate (0):
animorpherv1 (1): Andrius
Ythill (1): Nobody Special
nhammen (0):
drmyshottyizsik (1): Fishythefish
Fishythefish (0):
Andrius (0):
Nobody Special (5): Mafuyu, nhammen, Fate, Ythill, AGar
Unsight (0):
AGar (0):

not voting (3):
animorpherv1
drmyshottyizsik
Unsight

With 11 alive it's 6 to lynch. Deadline is August 12 at 11:59pm EST.

[Andrius]

ITT Andy fails with tags and emotes. I meant for :igmeoy: to be:

[Mafuyu]

Sooo... you're saying he's either SK or... that. But you're leaning Ythill_SK why?
Though I wouldn't put a ballsy scum-gambit like contacting the SK D1 past Fate... :igmeoy:

Mafuyu got to see Ythilltown pretty recently. It's seems odd for him to be that sloppy in regards to speculation (specifically the restriction of it) unless there was something to gain. A few sets of hypothetical situations haven't given Mafuyu any particularly useful town-based reasons, which is odd as Ythilltown had worked with relative percentages in GP2Mafia. A look in to his strategy from that game showed an initial cooperative gambit, followed by well-calculated targeting. This appears similar, but without as much tactical force, so it's a little suspicious.For now Mafuyu's treating the "QFT" comment from Ythill as an attempt to ego-boost towards buddying, as Ythill has a pretty good idea of Mafuyu's respect towards him.

For now, it's tunneling. Hopefully this goes somewhere constructive, but for now Mafuyu just wants to dig in to this game. It's looking to be heading along pretty well, seeing as RVS got abandoned pretty quickly in lieu of some interesting p2p interactions, quite a few of which Mafuyu hasn't managed to get a grasp on yet.

[AGar]

I get Ythill's line of thought here.

[Ythill]

Maybe it's because I'm suffering set-up fatigue, but I just cannot glean how you "know" we're dealing with 3 mafia.

Don't look at me, nham's the one that said it...

RECK's death also means we have at least 1 D. This means that there must be at least 3 scum.

You'll note that my comment was directed at him. If you look at the setup, you'll see that he was correct, though my assumption that by "scum" he meant "mafia" was not.

If both anti-town parties know each other, they can at the very least temporarily truce. This would be beneficial for Ythill-SK in the terms that Ythill-SK cannot be betrayed easily for two reasons...

Is this what I think it is? Heh. Maybe Reck

did

protect me last night. I can see why he would.

UNVOTE: NS
VOTE: Mafuyu

[Andrius]

Are you pissed that Reck protected me last night?

You know this how? Or is this just speculation?

*pokes Ythill* See above.

Is this what I think it is? Heh. Maybe Reck did protect me last night. I can see why he would.

UNVOTE: NS
VOTE: Mafuyu

I think I see what's going on here.
Ok, but how does the SK find the mafia without all of us seeing? I think that's a bit risky.

[Ythill]

I saw your question Andrius, but the answer is pretty obvious. There's no way I could know Reck protected me.

[Andrius]

Ok now I feel stupid. /fail

[Ythill]

You're saying that to the guy who thought there were only nine players in the game.

[Mafuyu]

If both anti-town parties know each other, they can at the very least temporarily truce. This would be beneficial for Ythill-SK in the terms that Ythill-SK cannot be betrayed easily for two reasons...

Is this what I think it is? Heh. Maybe Reck

did

protect me last night. I can see why he would.

UNVOTE: NS
VOTE: Mafuyu

It isn't.

[nhammen]

Since you've not played with me (that I recall--and certainly not 4 games), I assume the bolded 'nobody' means 'no one' and does not refer to me a a player. Correct me if otherwise.

You assume correctly. No correction needed.

NS is familliar with Reck from GD, but he'd probably kill me over Reck.

I am curious to hear your reasoning behind this.

Why? Do you have reason to believe his reasoning is wrong?

No, I was simply curious. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Yeah, or it could mean that you know that Ythill is wrong: because you didn't kill Ythill over RECK. I know, it's a weak tell (really really weak), but at only 3 pages in, not many tells have been dropped.

As for what everyone else has been discussing:
AGAR pushes for Ythill for not knowing how many players are in the game. I'm guessing this is semi-random, like my NS vote, because that isn't much of a tell.
And it is a trap to catch NS? I don't understand this (as in, could somebody explain this), but ok?
And now Mafuyu starts this "balls-crazy" suspicion of Ythill's actions, and now Ythill attacks back with a vote, because he thinks he sees something?

Could someone explain all of these cryptic little comments? I'm already lost, only on page 3, and I don't enjoy this feeling.

[Fate]

You didn't mention my name in your little catch-up post so there's no way in hell I'm explaining anything.

[Andrius]

Could someone explain all of these cryptic little comments? I'm already lost, only on page 3, and I don't enjoy this feeling.

Just look at the C9++ setups, and read Mafuyu's post. You should get a wake-up call.

ITT WE LEARN THAT FATE IS EGO_CENTRIC.

[Nobody Special]

Can ani and unsight be prodded? They have not posted AT ALL.

[Nobody Special]

EBWOP:

@MOD: Can ani and unsight be prodded? They have not posted AT ALL.