Newbie 988-Apocalypse(Over)-Scum win

[Tuxhedoh]

Unvote

I'm not convinced that kyle isn't scum, however at least he is starting to post. I would throw down a vote on MoB now - however like dekes I do not want to put her at L-1 before she has a chance to defend herself or get replaced. If her past post history in this game is any indication, then I think I will not be holding my breath on the former.

I agree with your here tan...but it seems waiting for content from MoB may be wasting "valuable scumhunting time". How long do we have to wait for a replacement?

[Dekes]

I agree with your here tan...but it seems waiting for content from MoB may be wasting "valuable scumhunting time". How long do we have to wait for a replacement?

5. I expect consistent, regular, involved, active, and [anything else that goes along those lines] from each and every one of you. Prods(PM's that tell you to "Get playing again!") will be sent out after 72 hours of no posting. However, I expect more participation than the bare minimum, and so do your fellow players. I start seeking a replacement 24 hours after the prod is sent, and I implement the replacee at prod+48 hours. All in all, that's a full work-week one person not posting. Don't flake.

Hope it's okay to quote the mod here. Since Mob posted yesterday it's gonna be a while until she gets mod-replaced. But i'm pretty sure her asking for a replacement will be effective immediately.

@kyle
See, this is a great valuable convincing post. Though I have to say, ISOing Mob is not terribly difficult. I may look into the second half of your posts (if you wanna do an ISO on yourself, I wouldn't mind) because there were quite some things I didn't like. But this might have been just me tunneling you at the time resulting in a somewhat biased perspective on your posting style. Does this mean that you are free of any suspicion? No, but for now there's nothing that would warrant a vote from me.

Anyways, I feel like I'm being manipulated here. But eh, I think that's what mafia'll do to ya. Paranoia at its finest.

Backing off for now, waiting for other people to state their opinions (montgomery, Makeorbreak(!!!)). Still eagerly awaitng yabba's (already drafted?) post. It seems like he's been throwing in only some breadcumbs and questions for a while now. But maybe he's just busy with his own modded game right now. And even more eagerly awaiting Mob's next post (final stand?).

[Beanman]

Well, I agree waiting on "something" would be optimal, whether it's MoB or the replacement, the next post by who ever is holding that role, better be damn good, or honestly I may explode.

[Adrien C]

Kyle, I asked for your defense to be a "defense" not a deflection. Your ISO is really what I want you to address.

Your ISO:
0: SE introduction
1: Random vote
2: Joke about Tan's name
3: Forgot about the game...whoops...
4: ICs can be scum! Vote for MoB because you think she needs to chill (Parroting what yabba said on 57 about ICs and what I said on 59 about MoB)
5: Why are you lurking, MoB?
6: And again...
7: Nuh-uh, Adrien! I am posting content!!
8: Tan's case on me is crap...blah blah blah, defense post...
9: Difference between lurking and active lurking
10: More stuff about MoB
11: VT claim
12: Complaint about him being number one and MoB number 2
13: "I made a great case on MoB" and "Why do you think there's three scum?"
14: You're assuming me and MoB are both mislynches!!
15: When have I been active lurking?
16: I was forgetting about the game.
17: How does Beanman say I'm town and vote me in the same post
18: Emoticon
19: Please ISO MoB!!
20: MoB is worse than me!!
21: Your "defense" which does not satisfy me because I told you not to deflect everything onto MoB but to address this and then attacked me when I could have hammered you and let that be the end of you. I still want a defense from you and an explanation about this WITHOUT MENTIONING MoB! SHE'S SCUMMY, WE KNOW!!

8 was a somewhat contenty post but the rest of the first half of your posts had no content. You started to get a little better later on but you still have a post here and there that does not have info like 18 and 19. I just wanted you to address that so we can move on with life.

A scum pair of Kyle and MoB is unlikely, but I'd stake my life savings that one of them is scum.

As for the people who are now pointing at me for not hammering Kyle: I like to give a person a chance to defend themselves before I drop a hammer and Yabba stated he had something he wanted to post and I wanted to give him a chance to post that as well.

[Adrien C]

I doubt MoB will be replaced. She seems to be popping in just enough to not be replaced and unless she volunteers to be replaced. We're probably going to end up lynching her. I could be wrong though.

You guys get her to L-1, I'll hammer.

[Jackabomb]

Vote count 1.10
Makeorbreak-

Montgomery, kyle99, Beanman;

Tanstalas-

;

Dekes-

;

kyle99-

Makeorbreak,;

Beanman-

;

yabbaguy-

;

Montgomery-

;

Not voting-

yabbaguy, Tuxhedoh, Adrien C, Tanstalas, dekes;

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch or no lynch.

If anyone request their own replacement, in thread, or by PM, I will immediately seek a replacement, and implement it ASAP.
As far as I know, nobody has done this.

[yabbaguy]

Hammering now is criminal, even though I'm still inclined to believe kyle should eventually be the lynch. I still can't get past the fact that he cast that vote of Makeorbreak while on the fence. Makeorbreak has a lot of cloudiness around her, but I think kyle is quite obviously scummy because his rebuttal is what appears to me to be a floundering defense of MoB. Basically, all I get out of it is "I'm not lurking, she is!", which just doesn't ping like something a Townie would say. I would expect someone in his position to scumhunt more broadly, and instead, he winds up mostly looking at Makeorbreak through tunnel vision and basing all his tells off that. It feels like he's doing a lazy defense and trying to drag her down as a mislynch before he goes down.
Then again, I find myself in no position but to agree with the fact that keeping a player who is nothing but shenanigans until LyLo is a critical mistake. Aside from that, I think there are certain relationship tells that can be derived from a Town flip of MoB, such as kyle who put an awful vote on her while on the fence, and montgomery, whose case feels like something contrived. Depending on whether or not MoB gets one of the million hints we've been dropping all game, we might actually want to consider that more relationship tells can be derived from getting rid of the player with shenanigans. But again, while she's been active lurking, it could just be playstyle somehow. I need an actual scumtell before I can call her a good lynch.

@Makeorbreak: I demand you do a Player-by-Player analysis. That's basically where you go through and state as clearly as possible your stances on each player. I want to definitively see whether you think every player in the game is Town, Unsure, or Scummy and why. You're not going to be 100% sure on everyone, but you've gotta do something.

If you refuse to do this, I will consider it a scummy lack of cooperation with Town.

There. Concrete objective. Cue the awful username pun.

And I still want montgomery to explain why she finds Makeorbreak scummy before this Day ends. Being a troll isn't scummy.

[Tuxhedoh]

Vote count 1.10
Makeorbreak-

Montgomery, kyle99, Beanman;

Tanstalas-

;

Dekes-

;

kyle99-

Makeorbreak, Beanman;

Beanman-

;

yabbaguy-

;

Montgomery-

;

Not voting-

yabbaguy, Tuxhedoh, Adrien C, Tanstalas, dekes;

MOD

: I'm petty sure beanman is voting Makeorbreak not kyle

[yabbaguy]

Beanman's listed twice, actually.

My advice- copypasta is a deliciously easy way to make sure name splicing doesn't happen.

[Jackabomb]

Fixed.

[yabbaguy]

BTW, Adrien, your interpretation of kyle's ISO blends rather valid points he makes into all the rubbish he makes, such as Beanman's rather curious contradictory vote which doesn't stack in my mind. I'm always on edge when people interpret ISOs in a way that doesn't exactly tell the whole story.

('splain that vote better, Beanman? I'm not following you.)

[Adrien C]

I don't post ISOs very often because info gets lost in the paraphrase.

[Adrien C]

Ok, I think this game just became compromised. I just opened up my e-mail and found this:

Hello, this is Makeorbreak and I have one request for you. Please, tell the Newbie Game that I am currently awaiting reactivation of my account as I had changed the email and it was wrong, so I rechanged it. My Account should be reactivated within the next few days.

Anyway, now onto my case. Yes, I have parroted ideas off of people, and while it was intentional, it was because I am new to the game. I'm not sure how this Forum Games work. I'm not trying to appear as scum, I just have no idea how this works. People over estimate me, while refusing to acknowledge that this is my first game. I can't have everything right so early on.

Montgomery has challenged my validity by calling me a troll, I am not a troll. Yes, I'm playing this game with fun. Yes, I was lying about crying, I'm far from that emotional. I just want to have fun.

Kyle, you're just echoing ideas off everyone on why I'm scum, and while I have done the same I know that I'm a newbie. You are SE, or something, you should know better, should you not? You probably are scum, so my vote will stand. If that idea was echoed, I'm sorry, because I haven't read that much.

I'd also like to know who I scum buddied, because I know someone accused me, or something.

I'm pretty sure she e-mailing me is against the rules.

[tanstalas]

I'm pretty sure she e-mailing me is against the rules.

Well, if she gets modkilled then we have one less person to worry about

[yabbaguy]

Oh, Jack's gonna get a headache contemplating that one.

But I think she wanted you to somehow put that case up for her since her account was broken. I think you did just that. I really think this should go with a warning and nothing more.

[montgomery]

Sorry, have been busy and will just reply to the past couple of posts. I should be able too write a summary on my thoughts of the past few pages in a few hours. For the record I think MOB emailing is another act of trolling, the exact same thing happened to me last game and instead of resorting to emailing a fellow member of the game, I waited. It didn't take longer then 24 hours and surely because MOB has been posting very sprodically throughout - they would be okay with waiting the extra time. I just don't think someone who takes this game seriously would do something like that.

[Beanman]

Oh, Jack's gonna get a headache contemplating that one.

But I think she wanted you to somehow put that case up for her since her account was broken. I think you did just that. I really think this should go with a warning and nothing more.

A warning? she's broken a number of rules. rule 5-not actively participating. rule 12-pm'ing another player and not the mod. I'm not the mod, so my opinion means nothing, but even if she's inexperienced as hell, those beginning rules ARE NOT hard to follow, at all, and now I simply don't trust her as a player. She now has my permanent vote until she's gone. Scum or not, I agree completely with montgomery. This person is a troll. Needs to go.

fence sitter
n. Informal
One who takes a position of neutrality or indecision

As far as your case on kyle. I believe this is misleading as hell. Kyle has been actively seeking MoB's death since his post that he made that cast his vote on her. He's not even really looking at anyone else. No neutrality, nor indecision. No fence sitting. If anyone is fence sitting, it's you yabba. You've been pushing for kyle as mafia, and yet you haven't had a vote on him, in RL for days and days. So yeah, I find your case on kyle fence-sitting hypocritical as all hell, based on your voting alone...

[b/]

FoS;yabba[/b]

[yabbaguy]

The reason I'm suspecting but not voting is because I don't want the Day to end. My last post demanded that montgomery and Makeorbreak (okay, yeah, she did post content out of thread, *sigh*), so to then also place a vote which at the rate we're going could easily spell the end of Day 1 would be idiocy.

Not fencesitting.

[Adrien C]

Beanman, you forgot 14.

[Beanman]

Hello, this is Makeorbreak and I have one request for you. Please, tell the Newbie Game that I am currently awaiting reactivation of my account as I had changed the email and it was wrong, so I rechanged it. My Account should be reactivated within the next few days.

Anyway, now onto my case. Yes, I have parroted ideas off of people, and while it was intentional, it was because I am new to the game. I'm not sure how this Forum Games work. I'm not trying to appear as scum, I just have no idea how this works. People over estimate me, while refusing to acknowledge that this is my first game. I can't have everything right so early on.

Montgomery has challenged my validity by calling me a troll, I am not a troll. Yes, I'm playing this game with fun. Yes, I was lying about crying, I'm far from that emotional. I just want to have fun.

Kyle, you're just echoing ideas off everyone on why I'm scum, and while I have done the same I know that I'm a newbie. You are SE, or something, you should know better, should you not? You probably are scum, so my vote will stand. If that idea was echoed, I'm sorry, because I haven't read that much.

I'd also like to know who I scum buddied, because I know someone accused me, or something.

Ya know what? I'm just gonna go on this email alone as reason enough to get rid of her. lets see, yabba asked for a player analyses, let's look as hers.

Montgomery----here she admits to lying to get her way. She lied, and pretended to AtE.

Kyle---here she admits that even though her life is on the line in this game, and her player analyses is the only thing saving her, she hasn't even read the thread, and still giving one.

So she admits to lying, and came up with a player analyses w/o even reading the thread. FFS people, kill her now!

[Adrien C]

She might get modkilled. I think the game needs to pause until this is sorted out. If she doesn't get modkilled, I'm cool with lynching her.

[Beanman]

Oh also forgot rule 16, which means she's also violating rule 1. So that's 5 rules in total? But hey, at least she's following rule 17 and not actually crying.

[Jackabomb]

I see beanman was paying attention. *Starts thinking*. This is unacceptable. Makeorbreak, if you are reading this, here is what I wish you would have done in light of your inability to access your account. If you had excluded all game-related material from your email, I probably would have no problems with that. But you didn't. I will let you all know when I have come to a conclusion. In the mean time, you may continue to speak, but votes are on hold.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

I don't normally step in, but Jack asked for my opinion. The thread is locked until further notice. Please stand by.


Vel
Newbie Queue ListMod

[Jackabomb]

I hereby find the defendant, Makeorbreak, guilty as charged under a violation of rules 16 and 12, and under a double violation of rule 1. I have decided to mod-replace her. Makeorbreak, as far as you are concerned, this game is over. As per newbie queue rules, you are now released to play your second game of mafia. You are not blacklisted.

All votes on Makeorbreak will carry over to her replacement.
You are once again free to post and vote.

_{pacman281...screw the numbers.}

Pacman replaces makeorbreak! Thanks.