Mini 1000: The Brave and the Beautiful (Game Over)

[Muffin]

Princess Peach.

Beloved

Princess Peach. That is all.

I don't think that really fits with the flavour. How does Peach fit the "brave" part? All she does is get kidnapped by a lizard.

[Iecerint]

I'd unvote, but I can't unvote. I endorse unvoting.

Does anyone have meta on mod-RC minis? Does he give fakeclaims?

[Robocopter87]

Princess Peach.

Beloved

Princess Peach. That is all.

I don't think that really fits with the flavour. How does Peach fit the "brave" part? All she does is get kidnapped by a lizard.

She is in the Super Smash Bros series.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Robo I think you're scum.

Follow-up on this thought Ythan. Re-read his opening post from today. He lambasts Furc for hammering millar, who the consensus opinion says is scum with his Kerrigan flip. Read the rest of his posts. The more I see crap postings from him and his absolute tunneling on Furc (who is horrible but due to my plan I don’t want to see lynched today) without any other sorts of input the more I think he’s scum. And it is possible he ran a gambit with millar to 'confirm' himself.

I don't think that really fits with the flavour. How does Peach fit the "brave" part? All she does is get kidnapped by a lizard.

I suppose she could be the Beautiful, but Peach is sort of a lame choice given all the other possible characters out there.

My theory that supports his claim – if we are in a Non-VT style game, and I am beginning to think we are, then a Beloved Princess is a sensible counterbalance role to potentially boost the Mafia.

Does anyone have meta on mod-RC minis? Does he give fakeclaims?

This is his only run MS game or mini so I don’t know if any offsite games are going to provide us with anything useful from that standpoint.

[Ythan]

Muffin is now resorting to attempts to discredit my claim by questioning whether Peach is brave. Just so everyone is aware.

[Muffin]

Muffin is now resorting to attempts to discredit my claim by questioning whether Peach is brave. Just so everyone is aware.

It's a pretty good claim for scum to make, wouldn't you say? Draw doctor protection to you out of fear of losing a whole day, and instantly make people want to get off your wagon.

Are you seriously suggesting that attempting to discredit a claim is scummy?

[Muffin]

Robo I think you're scum.

Follow-up on this thought Ythan. Re-read his opening post from today. He lambasts Furc for hammering millar, who the consensus opinion says is scum with his Kerrigan flip. Read the rest of his posts. The more I see crap postings from him and his absolute tunneling on Furc (who is horrible but due to my plan I don’t want to see lynched today) without any other sorts of input the more I think he’s scum. And it is possible he ran a gambit with millar to 'confirm' himself.

Well if Robo is scum, have a look at the interplay between him and Ythan. I have already and it's interesting.

[Kdub]

UNVOTE:

Going to think about the claim.

[Robocopter87]

We don't lose a day if the Beloved Princess is NK'ed. But, they do say that the BP should claim ASAP in the beginning.

[Muffin]

We don't lose a day if the Beloved Princess is NK'ed. But, they do say that the BP should claim ASAP in the beginning.

Not according to the wiki.

[MagnaofIllusion]

We don't lose a day if the Beloved Princess is NK'ed. But, they do say that the BP should claim ASAP in the beginning.

Who is this they you are talking about? The Wiki? If so stop posting Wiki information as if it's the Bible. A Beloved claiming immediately is just the same as a Miller -- there is debate about the wisdom in either case.

I suggest everyone take a good look at Robocopter while mulling over Ythan's claim.

[Robocopter87]

Why did I think that it couldn't get NK'ed? And why did I think it should claim? I remember reading about that. I think I might know where to find where I did. But sorry, I thought Thats the BP was all about. Sorry.

[ReaperCharlie]

The Brave and the Beautiful - Vote Count 2.12

Ythan [3] - Muffin, bv310, Furcolow
Furcolow [2] - Robocopter87, Ythan
Robocopter87 [1] - MagnaofIllusion
Kdub [1] - Iecerint
Muffin [1] - Shotty to the Body

Not Voting [1] - Kdub

With 9 alive, it is 5 to lynch.

The deadline is Tuesday August 10th at 10:30pm EDT.

[Shotty to the Body]

I believe Ythan, fairly confident that he's town after ISOing him, going to reread Robo next.

[Kdub]

Ythan, to be absolutely clear, there is nothing more to your role other than beloved princess, and the mechanics of the BP works in the typical fashion?

[Iecerint]

Ythan, did you ever say what you thought about Kdub? He made the one very good comeback post but.

[Ythan]

Muffin is now resorting to attempts to discredit my claim by questioning whether Peach is brave. Just so everyone is aware.

It's a pretty good claim for scum to make, wouldn't you say? Draw doctor protection to you out of fear of losing a whole day, and instantly make people want to get off your wagon.

Are you seriously suggesting that attempting to discredit a claim is scummy?

I think that your poor attempt to do so is. With every post your push against me gets less and less townish.

Ythan, to be absolutely clear, there is nothing more to your role other than beloved princess, and the mechanics of the BP works in the typical fashion?

Yep just a princess.

Ythan, did you ever say what you thought about Kdub? He made the one very good comeback post but.

His slot as a whole? He hasn't been very active. I can take a look but.

[bv310]

Oh dear. It would appear that I've missed quite a bit. Rereading the last few pages. I have internet for the next two hours or so, so if anyone has any questions for me, now is the time to ask.

[Ythan]

Yes it certainly would appear that you missed out on the opportunity to weigh in on that situation.

[bv310]

Okay, so I've read up on the last couple pages that I've missed. First off,

Unvote

if I was voting.

Second, Furcolow. In reading over the thread, he is being actively unhelpful. This is extremely different from the last game I played with him, but in and of itself is not scummy. It is posts like his ISO 83 that seem particularly off. Why would you want to avoid confirming a player that many are having trouble reading? I also don't like his non-committal in the same post. "Ythan is guaranteed scum, but if he isn't then he's being obtuse so lynch him for that" is really a terrible attitude to have. Couple that with the fact that I've yet to see an actual case on your "guaranteed scum" and you are looking rather scummy. I also love your posts like iso 82 and 87. You're really quite eager to remind everyone that you're a townie.

Vote: Furcolow

[bv310]

I'll get my Ythan thoughts up tomorrow.

[Iecerint]

You played in a game where Furco was different from actively unhelpful?

Show me this game.

[Ythan]

As the most overtly scummy player in the thread he cannot be left alive for the rest of the game.

[ReaperCharlie]

The Brave and the Beautiful - Vote Count 2.14

Furcolow [3] - Robocopter87, Ythan, bv310
Ythan [2] - Muffin, Furcolow
Robocopter87 [1] - MagnaofIllusion
Kdub [1] - Iecerint
Muffin [1] - Shotty to the Body

Not Voting [1] - Kdub

With 9 alive, it is 5 to lynch.

The deadline is Tuesday August 10th at 10:30pm EDT.

[Kdub]

I'm not entirely convinced about the beloved princess claim. Princess Peach seems a bit out of place flavor-wise, and BP is a pretty convenient scum fakeclaim. However, it would be pretty disastrous if we lynch him and he is telling the truth because it could be an autoloss for the town if Shotty is actually an SK. I propose a new plan for tonight. Any protective roles protect Ythan, and we make Furcolow investigate him. If he confirms Ythan, great. If not, we have a 1v1, and we can lynch one of them and have Shotty kill the other at night if we choose wrong. In the event that Shotty is an SK and not a vig, he should still kill them because he should be gunning for scum at that point. Also, we force Shotty to hold fire tonight (otherwise we lynch him tomorrow) to keep the numbers in our favor and prevent it from being a potential lylo tomorrow.

The worst case scenario is that we mislynch today and there are 2 mafia + SK tomorrow with 7 alive, and Fur claims Ythan is lying. Let's say we lynch Fur and he is town. Shotty kills Ythan at night (no double night since Ythan would be lying under this scenario) because the mafia are his biggest threat. Mafia kills town. We are left with a standoff with 2 town vs. SK vs. 1 mafia in that worst case scenario, and that assumes the town PRs don't use any useful abilities in the meantime. If we lynch correctly either day, or if Shotty is telling the truth, or if there are only 2 mafia instead of 3, then that just makes the scenario better for town. What do people think of that?

I'm not convinced Ythan is telling the truth, but this seems like the safest route forward given his claim. Plus, I'm just as willing to go with a Robo lynch today and it seems like there might be some support there.
VOTE: Robocopter