Newbie 988-Apocalypse(Over)-Scum win

[Beanman]

@adrien-how is MoB off the hook exactly? she's offered nothing except scum tells this entire game. She's not as newbie as she claimed, pretty obvious from her posting.

[tanstalas]

@adrien-how is MoB off the hook exactly? she's offered nothing except scum tells this entire game. She's not as newbie as she claimed, pretty obvious from her posting.

I think he means off the hook for today, if you look at his post he says MoB can wait until tomorrow. Kyle just looks a little scummier than MoB now.

[Jackabomb]

Vote count 1.7
Makeorbreak-

Montgomery, kyle99, beanman;

Tanstalas-

;

Dekes-

Tuxhedo;

kyle99-

Makeorbreak, Adrien C, Tanstalas;

Beanman-

;

yabbaguy-

;

Montgomery-

;

Not voting-

Dekes, yabbaguy;

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch or no lynch.

[kyle99]

I'm considering dropping the hammer on kyle

I'm tempted to vote for the following reasons:

1) Lurking and then saying he forgot about the game
2) viewtopic.php?p=2401478#p2401478 Where he says he has contributed game content, which he has in 1 post thus far this game viewtopic.php?p=2400339#p2400339 in his last 3 posts this game though he has just thrown suspicion around
3)Going back to post #122 - makes a short post getting very defensive and then also wondering why Adrien's vote was still on him when Adrien stated VERY clearly by saying "

Preview Edit: *cough*Hypocrite*cough* Not defending her or anything, as she is wrong too, but you're doing the EXACT SAME THING.

"

As kyle is an "experienced" player I would not think he would make as many posts that seem as scummy as the ones he has.

I thought that an experienced player would be with mafia, apparently this is not the case - however I find that the above 3 reasons explain why I am thinking of voting the way I am.

If any of the more experienced players see a flaw in my logic - or if I may have missed something please advise, I'd hate to drop the hammer on a townie on day 1.

@kyle

- please respond

Your case is crap for a number of reasons:

1) Me lurking and not posting in the first 3 days would be incredibly stupid from a town standpoint and a scum standpoint, so the only logical reason for that would be that I forgot about this game.

2) I was comparing my 1 game related post to Makeorbreak's 0 game related posts.

3) My post was not "very defensive", merely questioning a questonable vote by Adrien. I had missed the first couple of pages and was attempting to get caught up, and Adrien was going after me when MoB had been active lurking, a much worse defense then plain old generic lurking.

@Adrien: Why the hell is MoB off the hook?

[Adrien C]

I meant NOT off the hook. I'm sorry, guys.

[Tuxhedoh]

Is there anyway to get more posts per page, I'd love to see most if not all in order....any hints from the experienced folk?

[Adrien C]

I haven''t found a way yet.

[tanstalas]

Your case is crap for a number of reasons:

1) Me lurking and not posting in the first 3 days would be incredibly stupid from a town standpoint and a scum standpoint, so the only logical reason for that would be that I forgot about this game.

2) I was comparing my 1 game related post to Makeorbreak's 0 game related posts.

3) My post was not "very defensive", merely questioning a questonable vote by Adrien. I had missed the first couple of pages and was attempting to get caught up, and Adrien was going after me when MoB had been active lurking, a much worse defense then plain old generic lurking.

@Adrien: Why the hell is MoB off the hook?

1) Like it has been said before with bookmarks, etc I find it hard to believe you forgot about the game, however, I will give you the benefit of the doubt, as you did not claim to have a photographic memory like another here

2) If you want to get technical MoB did contribute a little bit back on post #87, though it was not as well articulated as your post, and I hope that in the future she will put more thought into what she posts before she posts.

3)I was kind of referring to your last few posts, not that one in general. And by defensive I also mean throwing suspicion around, you tossed some suspicion at Adrien in post #97, and also voted for MoB in that post as well. Then MoB revenge voted you (which I admit was not a smart thing to do as it was JUST a vote, no reasoning behind it) you then spent the next 2 posts asking her what she put you at L-1. And when Adrien pointed out that you were basically doing the same thing as her you got defensive again saying you wern't lurking (uhh to our eyes you were lurking, you have said you forgot about the game, but you have to look at it from our point of view) and then you did the above post.

Oh and just noticed this as well:

No, I'm not. I've contributed some game content, albeit not a ton, haven't been using massive uses of AtE,

and don't lurk

and hammerfail like she did. I have no idea how your vote is still on me Adrien.

In the above quote you are saying you don't lurk, but in your last post you say:

My post was not "very defensive", merely questioning a questonable vote by Adrien. I had missed the first couple of pages and was attempting to get caught up, and Adrien was going after me when MoB had been active lurking, a much worse defense then plain old generic lurking.

Just wondering if you mean that you admit to "generic" lurking? Or if you mean that generic lurking just isn't as bad as active lurking?

I'm thinking you mean the former, but that would contradict your statement that you wern't lurking, so I am assuming that you mean active lurking is worse than generic lurking. I'm not sure what your definition of generic is, I would assume just not posting, in which case I would have to disagree with you. I'd rather see someone actually post anything than nothing at all.

There's no such thing as girls on the internet. Everyone knows that.

I remembered a funny quote I read once years ago.

"On the internet guys are guys, girls are guys and little children are the FBI"

Totally off-topic, but I remember that and thought it funny enough to share. Though to update it to today's stardards "FBI" should be replaced with "Chris Hanson"

[montgomery]

I find it very odd that Adrien seems to be almost protecting MOB, when she is clearly not contributing anything and is a troll.

Hello my fellow survivors. I stand before you today to beg for my life. I have stood here today, with my hair flowing around me, looking pretty. I am more then a body, I am a brain. I am fortunate enough to have the brain that I do, and the life that I do. Kyle is hiding behind me, letting me take the bullet. Hypocrisy, if that's not reason enough for a lynch, what is? I have tried to help, but I am new, and I'm not good at your lingo. I can promise that I'm not going to sit around while being targeted. I will stand up for myself, and yes, I vote out of retaliation, and majority. What more can we rely on now than majority?

Can anybody really take this seriously, with her hair flowing around her? This screams of trolling and I would really like to get rid of the person who is going to ruin the game by not contributing and making posts like this. Kyle is also acting odd but I think it would be more valuable to get rid of MOB early in the game.

[montgomery]

And to contribute to the how do roles work discussion - in my one previous game here I was scum with a fellow newbie partner so it appears that the roles are just randomised.

[kyle99]

Just wondering if you mean that you admit to "generic" lurking? Or if you mean that generic lurking just isn't as bad as active lurking?

I'm thinking you mean the former, but that would contradict your statement that you wern't lurking, so I am assuming that you mean active lurking is worse than generic lurking. I'm not sure what your definition of generic is, I would assume just not posting, in which case I would have to disagree with you. I'd rather see someone actually post anything than nothing at all.

Active Lurking = Purposly not posting to avoid suspicion, to avoid scumslipping, etc. This is very bad.
Lurking = Not posting because of no computer access, forgetting about the game, etc. This is not bad.

[Tuxhedoh]

So I spent some time last night reviewing the thread.. OMG it's a lot to process.

The MoB stuff... AtE definitely, but I got drama IRL too and I recognize how it plays out online as well as other situations such as work. Am I convinced she's Town? No at this time. If she's scum, than she's out on a limb and almost rogue, although I know the mafia has yet to have time to plan their next kill. If she's not lynched today, it will be interesting to see how she plays on D2. Although I'm starting to see the WIFOM of all this.

This whole providing content vs. lurking (active/non) is an interesting discussion. I see kyle99 and MoB doing the same thing, although Kyle-99 seems to be trying to get away from that claim, he's yet to provide any discussion apart from defending himself against thee claims of not providing content.

While I've still got FOS:Dekes - I'm going to

UNVOTE

- I can get back to him.

I'm looking forward to see what surfaces between now and nightfall.

[yabbaguy]

Yeah, I said something about the bookmarks and how it's hard to forget. Methinks that wasn't actually the case.

Not sure why one would lie in this situation though. :\

I don't like the fact that kyle's resorted to trivial technicalities to defend himself ("I have 1 content post and she has 0!"). It's not a matter of you comparing yourself to another, you lurked. Or maybe you really forgot. It's that simple.

@montgomery: Your last two posts suggest you just want to get rid of Makeorbreak just 'cause you find her annoying. You're actually falling into

the same mentality she is

, that we're trying to vote someone off the island just 'cause we hate them.

You... are finding her scummy, right?

[Dekes]

As far as I see it, we have two possible lynchees right now. I'm fine with both lynches but I'd like to make a little pro-con list to make up my mind.

Makeorbreak lynch:
Pro:
- Getting rid of a completely erratic player
- Her flipping town might further cement suspicion on kyle
- Her flipping scum...well is always a good thing for town

Contra:
- Looking at the development of the wagon, this could be a completely town-driven lynch
- Not a lot of information to work with going into the next day

kyle99 lynch:
Pro:
- Getting rid of the imo shadiest person...hasn't contributed anything to schumhunting except defending himself by adding fuel/votes to the counterwagon
- There's a lot of analysis that can be done on the kyle wagon

Contra:
- uhm...prospect of a drama-free Day 2 surrounding MoB

Correct me if I'm totally off here with this list. For now I will go ahead and

Vote: kyle99

His last post still doesn't convince me. His strange excuse of his own lurking is not a good enough defense for me. And looking back on his posts I see him active lurking for the longest time, then, after being called out, making a horrible post where he's just parroting other users and then making a vote immediately after fence-sitting on that person (yes, I'm aware that I'm just stating now what other people have said before, but this is just a summary to explain my vote) and after that he disappears again - until he's put to L-1 when - boom - he's there not 30 mins later to attack this vote. This leads me to believe that he might have been lurking on purpose all along.

Oh yeah, this is

L-1

people. I know it's still early in the game and I still want him to claim before someone hammers. But I feel it's necessary to keep the pressure high on him.

[Adrien C]

Kyle, this is the part where you claim.

[Tuxhedoh]

Just checking Kyles posting history from yesterday, it appears he did not start posting until after 3pm (I'm assuming Board time) as his location info says Spokane, WA - my guess is he's still in bed.

[kyle99]

Yeah, just got up guys. I honestly don't know why you guys are lynching me, other then my late start, I've been somewhat active in scumhunting. Meanwhile, MoB has done the following:

-Make NO EFFORT to even attempt to scumhunt. Seriously. Show me one post in which she actually attempts to scumhunt.
-When my bandwagon was forming, she jumps on it without any explanation or prior suspicion of me.
-Active lurks like crazy.

Also, not claiming until someone not voting for me asks me to.

[Adrien C]

No. Just no. You have NOT been "somewhat" active in scumhunting. You have done absolutely NO scumhunting except helping an early wagon on MoB. You are at L-1. Claim.

[Tuxhedoh]

Kyle- Please claim. I've no desire to mislynch. I've not voted for you as of yet. I'm not concerned about bringing the hammer.... but want to give you the benefit of the doubt.

[kyle99]

Fine. VT.

[Beanman]

Kyle's flip tells us nothing. If MoB flips scum, it gives us an FoS on Adrien.

[Adrien C]

Kyle's flip could be scum. Believe me, MoB is number two on my list.

[kyle99]

Kyle's flip could be scum. Believe me, MoB is number two on my list.

Why am I number 1 on your list and MoB is number 2? You seem to be going to great lengths to defend MoB, and that's making you look extremely scummy right now.

[Beanman]

Actually now if either Kyle or MoB flip there is an FoS on Adrien...

[Beanman]

If kyle is town, there is a strong case against Adrien/MoB scumbuddy pair. If Mob flips scum, there is a strong case of Adrien/Mob scumbuddy pair. If MoB is lynched town, I see no loss there. If kyle flips mafia, well, we killed a mafia, but then, finding Kyle's partner will be extremely hard at this point. Hmmmm....