UNVOTE: Shotty
I know that Kdub still has to weigh in but I’m never inclined to immediately lynch a claimed Vig with no counterclaim. I will not support a lynch on Shotty today unless conflicting evidence ( a Track claim of Shotty to a player other than Neto, for example) appears. Furthermore I think Shotty’s claim is easily testable by Furc if his power is as he also claimed. Althought it is Mod-WIFOM I don’t think there is potentially as Serial Killer in the game so Shotty is either Vig or Mafia fake-claiming Vig. Have questions about this? Read your role PM win conditions carefully and think about it before asking me. Both have played scummy so I suggest the following plan.
1. Furc commit to using his Ability Cop on Shotty. As Mafia kills are Faction abilities and not role abilities Furc should be able to confirm the exact details of Shotty’s Vig role. If Shotty comes up as anything other than Vig we can lynch him Day 3.
2. Shotty agree not to Vig Furc. If Furc meets death with a flavour of “Shot” Shotty can be lynched immediately Day 3.
3. If a Tracker is in the game they can track Shotty if they wish to confirm any kill he might make as a Vig.
4. If a Watcher is in the game they can watch Shotty if they wish to confirm that Furc uses his Ability Cop role on him. In addition it will indicate the potential identity of anyone who kills Shotty (as should be expected if he is fake-claiming Vig) or the identity of the Role-blocker that Robocopter has identified if they choose to block Shotty.
I like this plan in that it only locks in one action from a player (Furc) and allows others to operate as they see fit in the bounds of the plan. Additionally if Shotty and Furc are both Town roles as they have claimed it makes the life of the Mafia potentially difficult as silencing / blocking them greatly restricts their options at Night. It’s by far not perfect for reasons I’m not going to elaborate on but I’d like to hear any objections or obvious holes I am missing.
Honestly I'd rather Shotty not claim whether he is 1-shot, Odd Night or Unlimited Vig as giving that information away potential renders the plan moot.
I’m going to have to re-read but at this point I’m leaning looking in depth at bv310 and muffin for today.
Iec wrote:It never even crossed my mind that Neto's death could've been caused by a vig. Except for the odd interaction with Shotty (which townShotty, incidentally, shouldn't have counted as a scumtell against Neto), Neto's play was good.
I’ll disagree with you regarding Neto’s play. He was much less impressive than I expected based on other threads I have seen and his general reputation. I don't see it as out of the ordinary that Shotty may have Vigged Neto.
Furc wrote:I just looked back at the millar wagon, and shotty was on it, so I'm not as adamant about my vote on him anymore. Unless millar was a serial killer, or town, I'm fairly certain shotty isn't mafia unless he is one to stab someone in the back. Does anyone have any information as to whether shotty is capable of this? It seems dumb to me to shoot yourself in the foot like that.
Regardless of what Meta says Shotty only appeared on the wagon late in the day when his own lynch was a possibility. Asserting that makes him any sort of clear is just plain poor logic.
Robo wrote:Did Reaper ever say that the scum had pregame talk? I devised a plan to use an ability through another ability to become a Confirmed Townie? Listen, let me explain this to you. I was at L-1. Scum tried to Quicklynch me through the means of an ability. I lived due to my ability. If I had the ability to give other players an increased lynch threshold as scum, then it would be unbalanced. If I could teach my scumbuddies how to get an increased lynch threshold, it would be easier for the scum and harder for the town. I am confirmed, LIVE WITH IT. I'm not basking in my confirmedness.
You are hardly confirmed. Are you likely Town? Yes, but certainly not confirmed.
Want reasons?
1. The only people who know when scum are able to talk are scum. Hell it’s possible they could have an Encryptor type role and be Day-chatting. That you dismiss the possibility of coordination without considering possibilities is a bad argument.
2. The WIFOM of whether you would gambit to use a fellow scum’s ability in conjunction with your own to confirm you is just simply that -- WIFOM.
3. Making an argument about a power unproven to exist (you teaching others a higher threshold for a Day) is poor logic. You as scum could certainly fake-claim it in conjunction with your increased lynch threshold. Until you demonstrate that you actually can up the threshold of others don’t put it forth as irrevocable proof of your innocence.
4. You’ve claimed at least three different powers – passive lynch threshold increase, lynch threshold for others at night and whatever power you claimed you wanted to use on Furc but was blocked. That’s more distinct powers than I have and somewhat raises a red flag with me.
"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
Pretty much Geriatric game restricted at this point ... unless there are players I REALLY want to play with.
