Mini 1000: The Brave and the Beautiful (Game Over)

[Robocopter87]

I will answer, why would I increase Furc's threshold? I didn't. I also stated I had another ability besides that one. And I used it on Furc.

[Iecerint]

It's because I had dissociated my Kdubcase and Kdubvote into separate entities and moved the former up, but you're right that there's no reason to delay.

Vote: Kdub.

[Ythan]

Ythan, if and when you run your own game, you can punish people for posthumous rule violations in whatever way you like. Here, Reaper and I make the rules, and punish lawbreakers as

we

see fit. Am I making myself clear?

This doesn't conflict with what I said actually.

Iec where is your case again?

Is this what you're talking about? Because...what case are you talking about? If you make this more specific, I can try to answer your question. "More affectionate" => gimme love => moar content plz.

@ Y

Yep, Ythill must be it. I read a game he was in for some reason or other; I assume it was an old Scummies thread, cuz I dunno why I'd read a random game otherwise. I remember him commenting postgame that wall of text posting is a favored scum strategy because people give you the benefit of the doubt for being workmanlike, etc.

Your framing this as some kind of "scummy backtrack" is very silly, because the parsimonious explanation is that I read this like last October or whenever and can't remember details. The scum motivations for "lying" about something easily verifiable like this (especially by the person I'm making the comments toward) are near zero.

Yes, you never EXPLICITLY said you thought there were two Kerrigans. However, the stuff that you DID say implied that you believed as much. Your refusal to elaborate on your own beliefs prevents us from being quite sure of what your position on anything is, so.

No, you inferred as much from it, and attempted to supplement an attack with some notion of me having scummies. When denied this avenue, you said you must have meant a player who was obviously Ythill. And now we're here.

Better post this before I forget:

I'll be VLA from the morning of the 23rd until Monday the 26th

when I get back from Quebec city.

Noted. But don't blame me if you happen to get lynched solely out of spite.

It's a girl

, by the way! w0000000000000000000000000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111

Grats.

Well, its obv a mafia Roleblock so it wouldn't effect them, duh.

So the Mafia get two kills?

And how does your speculation jive with Furc’s claim that he had his ability stolen? Or Ythan’s indication that he was visited but not killed? Is it a global role-block that isn’t global?

@bv310 and Robo

– Claim your targets (but not your abilities). It’s important.

Also @bv310

– Who is scum. I want a definitive position taken.

Good posting. I take back everything I said about you in that other game.

More votes on Ythan please

Step one make a better case.

[Iecerint]

Ythan, if there is an alternate explanation for your thesis that millar was town and didn't do the ZR, please supply it. Don't whine about people misrepresenting you if you refuse to characterize your own position. Moreover, it makes no sense that you would perceive some great insight into the set-up (as you're implying) and then refuse to elaborate.

[ReaperCharlie]

The Brave and the Beautiful - Vote Count 2.3

Shotty to the Body [2] - Furcolow, MagnaofIllusion
Ythan [2] - Muffin, bv310
Furcolow [1] - Robocopter87
Kdub [1] - Iecerint

Not Voting [4] - Kdub, Shotty to the Body, Ythan

With 9 alive, it is 5 to lynch.

The deadline is Tuesday August 10th at 10:30pm EDT.

[ReaperCharlie]

And thank you to all who have congratulated us on our new addition to the family! We appreciate it! And we are sooooo excited!

[Ythan]

I have made it as clear as possible that I was merely concerned about the inconsistency, though you're clearly ignoring this.

[Iecerint]

OK, so your point is that it appears there could be an odd situation in effect...but you don't believe the situation is in effect.

[bv310]

In the vaguest re-wording of the PM, Furc tells me that I'm not needed, and I lose him in the corridors.

[Robocopter87]

Oh, you were visited by a specific player?

I was in a dream and apparently some sexy teenage girl dropped by and errr...

pleasured

me the whole night. My bed was wet in the morning .

[Robocopter87]

...awkward moment silence...

[Ythan]

OK, so your point is that it appears there could be an odd situation in effect...but you don't believe the situation is in effect.

No you unbelievable fool. This is still you making shit up, putting words in my mouth, and attacking me for the inconsistencies that you're pretending exist in my own posting. Vote yourself if you think I've done something scummy because your thoughts are the only thing you seem able to read in my posts.

[Iecerint]

1. You brought up X as a possibility.
2. X implies Y.
3. You get grouchy when people point out that your perspective implies Y. So I'm going to go out on a limb and say you don't endorse Y.
4. So your entire argument was vacuous, or poorly thought-out, since it's self-defeating. OR, it isn't for some reason that you refuse to elaborate.

X = millar was town, didn't do ZR
Y = someone else with ZR flavor did ZR, zergKerrigan being the only individual who fits flavor

POINT OUT WHICH PART OF THAT IS WRONG, PLEASE.

The main way out (which I mentioned ages ago) was that you were just whining about humanKerrigan not matching zergFlavor (i.e. you were criticizing the set-up). To which you argued that it was a "concern" rather than a "complaint" which I mean.

If you fail to see why your behavior is dumbfounding as town....

[Ythan]

X does not imply why when X is "It's weird that he flipped with an image inconsistent with his ability."

[Iecerint]

OK, so, the answer is that you're whining about ("dissatisfied with," if it's the negative connotation of the words that you're railing against) the set-up (i.e. "imageflavor should match abilityflavor")? Or are you positing that someone who wasn't millar did the ZR? Because either it's part of the set-up (maybe for the reason I indicated a long time ago that you didn't like, maybe for a different reason), or someone else did ZR, since ZR totally happened.

[MagnaofIllusion]

bv310 and Robo – Thank you for explaining quite clearly.

First off people – more Shotty votes.

I can’t make it any more clear than that.

Lastly I’m going to make the following offer –

Any Vig who wants any sort of chance of being viewed as Town and who shot Neto Night One had best pony up to it. Spyrex is clearly the Mafia kill of the Night so it’s a pretty simple choice for you.

Note to those who are not that potential Vig

– I don’t want to hear any crap about Role-fishing. I know what I’m doing. So save it for someone who cowers before Wikitells.

[Ythan]

I'm "doing" exactly what I did, back then when I said it, and now I'm moving on.

[Shotty to the Body]

bv310 and Robo – Thank you for explaining quite clearly.

First off people – more Shotty votes.

I can’t make it any more clear than that.

Lastly I’m going to make the following offer –

Any Vig who wants any sort of chance of being viewed as Town and who shot Neto Night One had best pony up to it. Spyrex is clearly the Mafia kill of the Night so it’s a pretty simple choice for you.

Note to those who are not that potential Vig

– I don’t want to hear any crap about Role-fishing. I know what I’m doing. So save it for someone who cowers before Wikitells.

What do you hope to gain by outting a vig? I would like this answered before I move to my other points.

[MagnaofIllusion]

What do you hope to gain by outting a vig? I would like this answered before I move to my other points.

Move on to your other points ... did you not read what I wrote. I know what the hell I'm doing. And I'm eager for you to provide some sort of content.

[Ythan]

I have still yet to get around to my normal scumhunting strategy, in part because I nearly overloaded myself by accepting a large batch of replacement requests and in part because I joined this game solely for the 1000 novelty and it has not greatly piqued my interest in any other way. Now that things have slowed down a bit for me elsewhere, I'll do my normal routine.

[Shotty to the Body]

What do you hope to gain by outting a vig? I would like this answered before I move to my other points.

Move on to your other points ... did you not read what I wrote. I know what the hell I'm doing. And I'm eager for you to provide some sort of content.

Fine, next point, I shot Neto.

[Ythan]

bv310, you have yet to make a constructive post in any sense.

[Ythan]

Furcolow time.

Furcolow, I hope your play has improved since Newbie 926. The way you acted in that game was terrible. Even for a newbie.

Looking back, and knowing more about Furc's play than I did when I first read this post, I ought to take a look at this game.

robocoptor, can you link a game for me that you were scum?

Asking for links is easy active lurking. Let's see if you even reference this later.

Most of my wins are achieved through ordered, logical play. I like breaking things down into their most simplest explanations and then working from there. I also tend to probe at one or two specific players until I get a good read on them, then shift my focus to someone who had previously been coasting by.

Hopefully it will be my finding scum that lead to the win

I highly doubt that a review of your history will bear this out.

Alright...let's assume that Robocopter is telling the truth. If the votes to lynch is reduced by one on him, then it does explain why he survived the Zerg Rush. What if this actually is an activated ability and an anti-town player activated it when they saw that a town player was within the range to be killed by it? That seems likely. We're actually rather lucky that it failed, and I do think it actually clears Robocopter.

Unvote

.

I find the above post scummy, especially considering that Netopalis was the one who was going after Robo during the RVS. Where do you get your information, from, Netopalis? Mafia IRC? You seem to have a lot of information at your disposal, moreso than I do.

I haven't ever encountered an ability like what we saw earlier in this game, and I am really confused by it. I understand the lowering of a threshold for a lynch from L-3 to L-2 or whatever, but who would think to put that into their game?

My current suspects list are:
Netopalis for his knowing so much
millar13 because he has terrible grammar
Ythan for being unpleasant

I find each portion of this post pretty bad. You found Neto scummy because he flip flopped off of an RVS post? You're attacking his informed/uniformed status because you think he knows too much? Then you say you understand the mechanic, but dismiss it because you don't think anyone would put it in a game? Then your suspects are Neto for that and nothing?

Basically; i am fully confident in my spot. The use of "Grammar" being the reason I am scummy is weak. That is almost like 'Furcolow' shouting; im a member of the scum-team and ive actually lost reasons other than to make on that exists; but isn't legitimate. If you could make money from predictions; i would put money that he is defo scum.

i'm not scum. i'll let you stick to your IRC with Netopalis and STTB

vote millar13

Weak weak weak.

I also see the Neto-millar-S2B connection,

Bullshit.

but I'm really confused as to how this game has been going. There has been a lot of information in a game that by all means should still be in the RVS.

Yeah RVS is awesome and pro-town.

Anyway, yeah. Shotty to the Body needs to die. Case previously posted.

well, this puts a damper in my opinion of who is the scum team. I honestly felt like you two were scumbuddies.

Lol seriously? I'm reading in ISO, did I miss something or is Furc backing off Furc/Neto because of Neto's post.

So I take it that you think millar has done substantial scumhunting and produced a lot of protown content.

I don't.
Dude's scummy and worthy of a policy lynch even if he's town

Yeah no.

Some OMGUS

ARE

town. Are you DENYING that? If so, I completely disagree. I know a guy I play with on another website that ALWAYS does that when he is town, and I'm the same way.

He never said OMGUS don't come from town but rather that OMGUS is a anti town behavior.

well, if it is a play-style you take when you are town, then it is a building block for people to realize you are town, and therefore can be pro-town.

No.

No. No no no.
OMGUS is extremely scummy. Voting someone for the main purpose that they voted you with a reason is scummy. I understand voting someone back when you have a legit reason to vote them back but OMGUS is different. It is Antitown.

not at all. it depends on the player.

we are arguing over opinion, btw.

So your opinion is fine but nobody else's? Oh wait no, you're just attempting to drop it fast.

look, i'm willing to admit you might not be scum.

i do not need to justify my voting to you

, i am town, you might be town, back off me if you aren't scum

Huh.

[SaintKerrigan]

This doesn't conflict with what I said actually.

You seem to have missed the point entirely: Don't be a jackass. Disrespect mod decisions and we'll make sure you regret it.

If you wish to continue this discussion, do so via PM.

[Ythan]

Lol okay.