Earth's Struggle - Game Over!

[Adrien C]

For my playstyle, read my sig.

[AdumbroDeus]

You also have yet to answer my other question, "what do you think that telling others your meta will do for you"?

You implied an answer, but I'd like a solid one.

Telling people how I play mafia will allow others to know how I operate in-game, since I have only played in a few games on site, and helps explain how my logic works since there are no other sources for it.

But what are you expecting to gain from people knowing how you operate?

[Midnight's Sorrow]

Unvote
Vote: CSL

Hasn't changed my view on him yet.

[SharkFinn]

Adrian C, AdumbroDeus, SharkFinn, Rena: I can't find too many of your previous games, so how would you describe your play style?

This is my third game (not much farther than you), but I tend to find a player and tunnel them until I get a read on them, so far it's been right, except I'm doubting Togeloo atm. I use my head, so when my logic is flawed, I'll retract my statements about the player until I can give a better reason that someone is scum.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nobody's Special mainly, because I trust DGB for the reasons below.

First, he's been proactive and acts townie.
Second, he's in heaven.

Okay, so I've re-read this game for info on the levels and I cannot come up with anything to explain why DFB and Zanzier are in heaven. I noticed a ??? vote on Zanzier, but idk where it came from. I do know why AdrienC and CSL are in Hell though: it's because they messed up grabbing items off the ground, which lead to this. So I have a question for each of the for non-Earth residents: what happened to you after you were sent to wherever you are? This could help us futher down the road and anyone who has any speculation as to why, please help us understand.

[SharkFinn]

Oh: and btw, if I dont like the answers from those, I plan to adjust vote according to the initial description of the game.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

So I have a question for each of the for non-Earth residents: what happened to you after you were sent to wherever you are? This could help us futher down the road and anyone who has any speculation as to why, please help us understand.

QFT^ Please answer.

Also Sharkfin, I don't think you should be looking at those who go into Heaven as Townies just because they go there. I doubt its that easy, especially when we have no clue what going to those places mean.

[SharkFinn]

Also Sharkfin, I don't think you should be looking at those who go into Heaven as Townies just because they go there. I doubt its that easy, especially when we have no clue what going to those places mean.

I understand that point, but when reading the initial description of the game, as posted below, I am leaning at the moment to having people in Heaven be clear, though not set in stone.

The people of

Heaven and Earth have lived in harmony for many milleniums

. But there was a traitor. Somebody opened the gates of hell and now demons run amok. At the very heart of this chaos lies a small village, where the wards surrounding the paths between these three worlds are at their weakest. It's up to them and

the people of Heaven

to get rid of the demons for the future of reality itself may be at stake.

I read my role PM and it says that I am a member of the town (not heaven or hell, or whatever other faction is in play). I do not know if they have a special ability, or whatever, but nothing they posted made any obvious notions that they said something that made them in heaven, unlike those in hell. I'll say at the moment that DFB and Zanzier are clean town, until something otherwise contradicts or counters my ideas. It's easy enough to go to hell, but I dont know if it's that easy to go to heaven.

O also i forgot to do this earlier:

Drop: Invisible Ink

Pick Up: Holy Water

[Nobody Special]

I do know why AdrienC and CSL are in Hell though: it's because they messed up grabbing items off the ground, which lead to this.

You obviously know nothing. I also messed up in picking up an item, and I'm still on Earth.

Therefore, I dismiss everything else you say as drivel. Especially the part where you gave DGB a sex change. I think she's quite content being a woman.

A scummy woman, but a woman nevertheless.

[SharkFinn]

I do know why AdrienC and CSL are in Hell though: it's because they messed up grabbing items off the ground, which lead to this.

You obviously know nothing. I also messed up in picking up an item, and I'm still on Earth.

Therefore, I dismiss everything else you say as drivel. Especially the part where you gave DGB a sex change. I think she's quite content being a woman.

You didnt bold your pick up, so I assume it was invalidated or overlooked.

[SharkFinn]

Actually take that back, you got the mystery box, because apparently you, MS, and CSL all tried to get the 2 mystery boxes and only CSL was punished. MS corrected his mistake.

[CSL]

I honestly have no idea, SharkFinn. It's a bastard mod game, so expect anything.

My guess is the items.

[Nobody Special]

Actually take that back, you got the mystery box, because apparently you, MS, and CSL all tried to get the 2 mystery boxes and only CSL was punished. MS corrected his mistake.

I like how you *know* what's in MY inventory.

Get lynched, scum.

unvote

Vote: SharkAttack

[CSL]

Actually take that back, you got the mystery box, because apparently you, MS, and CSL all tried to get the 2 mystery boxes and only CSL was punished. MS corrected his mistake.

Me and someone else has the mystery box, actually, so I think the mystery box sent me to hell.

Drop: Mystery Box
Pick Up: Invisible Ink

Problem solved.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

I have the Mystery Box, but I don;t know if I want to use it.

Its so tempting, but I know I'm better then that bitch Pandora So we'll see~

[AlmasterGM]

Ok, so minus a bunch of back-and-forth crap about CSL, this game basically starts on page 10. And even then, it's not that chock full of nutrients.

First of all, why am I voting for myself.

Unvote.

Unless there is some CRAZY ABILITY AFOOT. OOooooh that would be spooky.

The Nobody Special wagon is tempting because the signal:noise ratio coming from him is so insanely staticy I don't even know what to think, but he doesn't actually READ scum to me. Anyone who is on this wagon kinda laterish seems a bit opportunistic.

Then we have lots of lurkers. You can be like, BLAH BLAH irony because I was just away for 10 pages, but I was on declared V/LA. Many people are just AWOL. I'm gonna roll with the thought that at least one scum can be found in that deep grass.

But then we'd just be playing the "vote for the lurker hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrr" game. And that's no fun. What's much better is voting for the ACTIVE lurker. Because that's actually scummy.

Vote: Maemuki

PS I was going to comment on every single page like I normally do when catching up, but I didn't have much to say, so I'm just going to keep those two tidbits in mind and proceed from here on out.

[CSL]

Almaster's post reminds me.

MOD: Prod Maemuki, as well as the ones who have not posted within 72 hours please.

[Maemuki]

Sorry I'm late guys, I'm having some trouble right now.

Although I do wonder why CSL only noticed it right now.

[diginova]

You also have yet to answer my other question, "what do you think that telling others your meta will do for you"?

You implied an answer, but I'd like a solid one.

Telling people how I play mafia will allow others to know how I operate in-game, since I have only played in a few games on site, and helps explain how my logic works since there are no other sources for it.

But what are you expecting to gain from people knowing how you operate?

I believe that knowing how a player approaches the game should be open information. And from what I've found on other, dead sites, starting by putting my approach in the open allows others to get information back when they give their approaches.

[AlmasterGM]

Sorry I'm late guys, I'm having some trouble right now.

Although I do wonder why CSL only noticed it right now.

Did a prod prompt you to come in here and post or is this a pristine example of lurking-then-coming-when-called-101?

[ZazieR]

Here I am, ready to read what I've missed. But before that, I wanted to see what was happening to Ani as his lynch would be awesome. Only to get disappointed in the lack of a wagon. However, only skimming this page made me realise that NS is acting scummy scummy scummy and that players are supporting his lynch. That made me a bit happier ^.^

Real read coming, post might be tomorrow depending on the bbq.

[ZazieR]

Ok, first things first.
@Rena
I assume that you're claiming that Haylen is behind this account in this game, correct? If so, could you prove that this is true? If not, who are you?

Vote: Zazie

OMGCOUNTERVOTETHELIAR lulz.

To be honest, I actually thought the confirmation time was also the start of the game with all the votes that were flying, so I was legit looking at GhostWriter for buddying/defending animorph.

And you aren't looking at GW anymore, because?

Because it was the confirmation stage and not actual Day 1.

Though it could still be meta'd that he was buddying/defending

, and I don't get why the votes were flying all over the place before the game even started.

Regarding the bolded, why didn't you? And why didn't you look into him when you thought he could be buddying during the confirmation phase?

NS vote against CSL is laughable. Main word 'usually'. It means that it does happen sometimes. Meaning that your contradiction isn't there.
Besides, why no response to CSL after his explanation, while keeping your vote on him?

Agreed with DGB about Sharkfinn. Also, her statement needs some elaboration. If NS isn't really scummy to a player, what's the reason that he'd be really towny to that player?

@TL
You're stating that CSL's answers to your questions made your suspicions leave. I want to know how those answers satisfied you as you never commented on them and in my opinion, his answers don't address the real questions (Except for Q4)

And now to a serious point: Passiveness.
By heart, I remember Mae, TL and Adrien. To those who wonder what I mean with this, I ask a rhetorical question: When you want to ask a question about a specific event, who would you ask about it? The players connected to it or in general?
My answer would be the players connected to it as those are most likely to know the answer, while other players would need to guess.
So Mae and TL (EDIT: Sharkfinn), why did you ask about Heaven in general?
TL and Adrien, why didn't you ask BM about his extra item?

Toogy shows scummyness all around post 260.
-His response to Rena's case about NS. Toogy stated that Rena just showed a skewed view of how she wants to portray a player. Well obv that's what you gonna get if you're gonna ask for somebody elses case. This reaction is way off.
-Most notable part. One of the attacks against NS was that he was not serious, while being out of the RVS. Toogy comes in with examples of doing the same. One of them is the Eminem song, which according to him later on is due to his post restriction. So why give it as example of offtopicness when you need it, Toogy?
-His 'confusion' part. I want to know why you didn't question Chrono and TL about their NS vote before you got the NS case, which you shouldn't have needed to question those players.

Post 270 (Also from Toogy) needs some explanation as well.
-Why no comment on DGB's absent of a vote up until this point?
-Why are you 'defending' NS by stating what you think he was trying to do with the vote hopping?

And Toogy shows how serious he can be when Adumbo tells him of a great strategy: Asking questions.

Post 284 is Sharkfinn-scum dropping in again. Choosing between the top 2 suspects and having a reason behind her vote which is wrong (Toogy already told he's using the playername list)

As Toogy didn't explain why he didn't ask about DGB's late vote against NS, here's a reminder that I still want to hear it.
Also, nice pointing fingers at others.
Not only does he ignores Adumbro's question, he also doesn't respond to the real elaboration asked from TL. True, you weren't voting him. But to only point that out and leave TL's counter points out of this post is so scummy.

Csl, do explain. Is Toogy's absence of a NS vote your reason for giving him scumpoints? If so, why? Same for Ani.

About Toogy's claim. I find it interesting that he didn't point out from where Eminem is, while that should also be mentioned in your role PM. Want to explain why?

After having looked back at Ani, I have a question for him. How come you didn't use CSL's 'logic' about you being scum (I'm talking about his random vote) before CSL pointed it out?

Sharkfinn is so obv scum. Seriously, a FoS on a guy with 5 posts? While two other players (Ghost and Meh) have less? (Didn't check everybody) Do, explain.

*whips Digi*

But what I really detest is that you even state that Chronopie is useless and rolefishes, but you don't see him as scummy even though someone else does.

This needs an elaboration. What are you trying to say here?
And you are accusing Digi of buddying? What have you been doing to NS? What's the difference between you and NS compared to Digi and Chrono.

So I have a question for each of the for non-Earth residents: what happened to you after you were sent to wherever you are? This could help us futher down the road and anyone who has any speculation as to why, please help us understand.

I have my reason not to state anything about this matter.

As to explain scummy NS from this page:
-Shark making one error, resulting in NS stating that everything she's been saying is 'irrelevant' in this post.
-His vote against Shark, which needs to be elaborated on why it's scummy.

[Toogeloo]

Regarding the bolded, why didn't you? And why didn't you look into him when you thought he could be buddying during the confirmation phase?

Because it was the confirmation stage. Why votes were even flying around and discussion was even being had was beyond me, but I had actually believed the day had started until Hayl came in and made it official. I make it a point not to mix stuff from out of game and in game together as it's unnecessary meta. Besides that point, even if I had intentions of coming back to the argument later, the fact that an early wagon had started on Nobody Special was enough for me to come and interject, which had put any previous thoughts of how I was planning to start the day to rest. I don't do early Day 1 wagons. They stink. They tunnel conversation, and almost every time they are on townies. They also give lurkers a reason to continue to lurk and avoid making any stupid mistakes that might incriminate themselves.

Toogy shows scummyness all around post 260.
-His response to Rena's case about NS. Toogy stated that Rena just showed a skewed view of how she wants to portray a player. Well obv that's what you gonna get if you're gonna ask for somebody elses case. This reaction is way off.
-Most notable part. One of the attacks against NS was that he was not serious, while being out of the RVS. Toogy comes in with examples of doing the same. One of them is the Eminem song, which according to him later on is due to his post restriction. So why give it as example of offtopicness when you need it, Toogy?
-His 'confusion' part. I want to know why you didn't question Chrono and TL about their NS vote before you got the NS case, which you shouldn't have needed to question those players.

I was hoping for a serious case that I had missed about the Nobody Special votes. I didn't get it which set off red alarms stating that the case was in fact bullshit. I immediately jumped to the aid of Nobody Special because of the stupidity of the rest of the town that would be just willing to let him flounder and fight on his own over ridiculous arguments (which are apparently only ridiculous to me).
The point of using the eminem song as an example was to see if anyone was even caring that it was posted in the first place. It was a tunnel check, and it's obvious no one cared until I brought it up. Everyone was so focused on making sure they don't stick their neck out or latching on to wagons, that they didn't bother caring about some song posted. I almost had to raise a flag and say, "hey, I have a post restriction, anyone want to ask me why?"

Post 270 (Also from Toogy) needs some explanation as well.
-Why no comment on DGB's absent of a vote up until this point?
-Why are you 'defending' NS by stating what you think he was trying to do with the vote hopping?

Because I already knew the answer I was going to receive. He stated it earlier. No point in asking a redundant question. I just wanted to point out that it was in fact suspicious none the less. Vote hopping is NOT scummy. It's a way to fish for reactions to OMGUS and see who may target the hopping player. It is a way to gain insight on player reactions, and in my opinion it worked. Chronopie is scummy as hell, and for some reason, apparently I am the only one who sees it.

And Toogy shows how serious he can be when Adumbo tells him of a great strategy: Asking questions.

I don't ask a lot of questions (as evident from the last paragraph). I am analytical, I don't even banter in topics. I attempt to read player reactions and post thoughts. I don't make any attempts to sway conversation or lead discussion, it's not what I do. I play my own game, put my vote where it needs to be, and hope people can read and understand my argument. I leave the charismatic stuff to the charismatic people and worry about my own reads. I can be quite fictitious and a bit of a smart ass, but that's basically my way of rebelling against sheep.

About Toogy's claim. I find it interesting that he didn't point out from where Eminem is, while that should also be mentioned in your role PM. Want to explain why?

I didn't feel it was necessary. I gave you the information you needed. Parts of the flavor are left out because you don't need to know it.

But what I really detest is that you even state that Chronopie is useless and rolefishes, but you don't see him as scummy even though someone else does.

This needs an elaboration. What are you trying to say here?
And you are accusing Digi of buddying? What have you been doing to NS? What's the difference between you and NS compared to Digi and Chrono.

For the reading impaired, I have stated more than once that digi was defending Chronopie, my primary suspect. Just how I have been attacked for defending Nobody Special. Seems like a pretty similar case to me. If you all can see me as scummy for defending Nobody Special, I see no reason why I can't claim that I think someone was doing the same to my primary suspect. So to spell it out to you... if Chronopie is scum, I bet digi is as well.

[Toogeloo]

EBWOP: fictitious = fastidious ... terrible speller, and spellchecker changed it to the first term >_>

[diginova]

Toogeloo, I'm still wondering about your quote

Don't think I didn't forget about you catching up for several hours and now you place a post today, far after your catch up phase, that pretty much defends Chronopie and sheeps the vocal majority.

You may have missed it, so the question I asked: How are you and Rena "the vocal majority"?

Also, in 371, you keep saying that you're the only one that sees how ridiculous the arguments are: "I immediately jumped to the aid of Nobody Special because of the stupidity of the rest of the town that would be just willing to let him flounder and fight on his own over ridiculous arguments (which are apparently only ridiculous to me)." and "Chronopie is scummy as hell, and for some reason, apparently I am the only one who sees it."
Have you ever thought that you may be interpreting the arguments incorrectly? There are 20 people in this game, and all of them are intelligent. If it was so obvious, surely someone other than you would have seen the fault in at least one of the two arguments, especially after you bring up your points.

Your quote

The point of using the eminem song as an example was to see if anyone was even caring that it was posted in the first place. It was a tunnel check, and it's obvious no one cared until I brought it up. Everyone was so focused on making sure they don't stick their neck out or latching on to wagons, that they didn't bother caring about some song posted. I almost had to raise a flag and say, "hey, I have a post restriction, anyone want to ask me why?"

does not make sense. You really have no faith in any of the players here. Since an entire Eminem song, post restriction required or not, contains absolutely zero information about the game and absolutely zero information that even adds to the discussion in any way, why would people take notice? Personally, once I saw it was just a song, I skipped over it assuming it was some attempt at humor and didn't look back.

Why do you care so much that everyone noticed and was reminded that you posted an Eminem song? It reeks of scum trying to setup a Day 1 fakeclaim to try to be seen as town and then getting annoyed when people don't see all their hard work.

that's basically my way of rebelling against sheep.

For the reading impaired

the stupidity of the rest of the town

So to spell it out to you

Constantly insulting your fellow players does not help lend your arguments any weight. At best, it makes you seem like an arrogant person who won't listen to any logic as they think they are so far above everyone else, which is almost useless for the town. At worst, it makes you seem like scum who are trying to get people riled up.

I have stated more than once that digi was defending Chronopie, my primary suspect.

And yet again, you still haven't realized that not voting based on a lack of information is not defending them or buddying up in any way. Chronopie has a total of 0 useful posts in the game; just read his ISO. It consists entirely of random votes and dodging questions. There is more information to generate useful cases on many other players. If he continues on lurking, though, he will keep getting scummier in my eyes and eventually get my vote.

Yet for now,

VOTE: Toogeloo

, you have mine.

[Haylen]

Vote Count!

ZazieR (0) -
DrippingGoofBall (1) - Nobody Special
Adrien C (0)
Maemuki (1) - AlmasterGM
Battle Mage (0) -
CSL (2) - Adrien C, Midnight Sorrow
AdumbroDeus (0)
AlmasterGM (0) -
Nobody Special (7) - Battle Mage, Rena, DrippingGoofBall, Chronopie, CSL, Sharkfinn, ???
MehPlusRawr (0) -
Starbuck (0)
Animorpherv (1) - Zazie
Midnight Sorrow (0) -
Diginova (0)
TheLonging (1) - MehPlusRawr
Toogeloo (4) - Sharkfinn, AdumbroDeus, TheLonging, Diginova
Ghostwriter (0) -
SharkFinn (0) -
Chronopie (1) - Toogeloo
Rena (1) - Maemuki,
SharkAttack (1) - Ani

Deadline is Thursday 22nd July 9pm GMT+1 time. With 20 alive, it's 11 to lynch.

Items on the Floor

Mystery Box