So upon a reread my biggest annoyance is the invoking of the n00b defense for Chi. I notice that it's mainly Lemon doing so, but I think youngminii's comments warrant some scrutiny on the matter as well. I also have some questions at the end. But first, I have some references and comments:
Post 30
(self)
Post 42
(self)
Post 91
(youngminii) sorta... I'm not 100% sure if you're trying to make excuses for him, but I don't know if I like the assertion that he's either scum or n00b. I don't see them as being mutually exclusive. Refer to later in the post for more on this
Post 92
(ACM) again, sorta
Post 98
(Lemon)
Post 103
(Lemon) and thus we start the "well the wiki said this" strategy
Post 125
(youngminii) Again, it's not exactly playing the n00b card, but you're saying "hey, he's either scum or n00b". Again, they're not mutally exclusive. But then, in the same paragraph, you say that it's not a valid excuse for scummy behavior. Come on, pick a stance.
Post 139
(Lemon) So what you're saying is "yeah, his behavior might hurt the town (this means it's BY DEFINITION anti-town behavior, by the way), but let's not lynch him because...uh...he might be n00b". AGAIN, n00b behavior and scum behavior are NOT mutually exclusive. In the same post, you say that Magna is focusing on him for n00b play instead of scum play.
In the interest of not having to type it over an over again, we'll make an acronym for this (and I'll just retype it every time you make an argument on this basis). NASAME (newb and scum aren't mutually exclusive)
. so, NASAME. NASAME. Others have commented on this, but pro-town play is pro-town play. You mean pro-town and anti-town when you say pro-town and mafia, but moving on as other people have noted, when you make a distinction like that, it makes me curious: what do you consider to be protown play? I'll put this with my list of questions at the bottom. NASAME
Post 140
(youngminii). the fact that it isn't a n00b game doesn't mean that he's not excused, the fact that n00b isn't an alignment means he's not excused. NASAME.
Post 141
(Lemon) Metagaming, no thanks? Reference my comments on post 140 for more on why this is a stupid idea. Also reference post 143.
Post 146
(Equinox) This is rather flimsy, but you said you might go along with Lemon on his defense (which is the n00b defense) of Chi
Post 155
(Lemon) NASAME
So I can only see a few reasons for using this defense. I think Lemon might be using it because he thinks that it might excuse his own poor play because if we excuse Chi for bad play due to his join date, we might excuse Lemon. No one in the town is excused from poor play. Poor play is anti-town. You trying to excuse poor play with the excuse that he's a n00b. Deflecting suspicion from a bad player is suspicious.
IGMEOY Lemon
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I think it's worth noting that in youngminii said in post 110 that he was critical of Chi's play (he quoted RA's post (108)) to say that he had attacked Chi's playstyle and other people had jumped on the "but he's n00b!" thing.
youngminii
1. have you picked a stance on Chi?
Lemon
1. what is inherently protown play?
2. What is inherently antitown play?
3. Why is Magna antitown? What exactly scares you about active players?
4. When are you going to stop referencing the wiki page instead of using your own reasoning?
Equinox
1. In reference to posts 143 and 148, WHY is chi a ridiculously easy lynch? Think carefully now...
2. This isn't a question, but I wanted to mention that I *love* THE THEORY BOX that you used in post 159.
3. In post 178, you said that ACM has only made one case against one player, and then you said that it was "a very easy target". Who exactly is he supposed to make a case against? Do you find it more pro-town if someone tries to accuse people who are not easy targets? Is it more pro-town to throw accusations around all willy-nilly? Wouldn't it only be a scumtell if he was making a case against someone who seems fairly pro-town?
Chi
1. In reference to Post 172, how is "If he doesn't post a lot in the next few days, I'll vote him for lurking" using your brain?
2. In reference to post 183, what is the relationship? What leads you to believe there is a relationship?
I still think that RA is scum, but I will
unvote RA
for the moment because I'm finding Lemon and Chi more suspicious upon a reread
vote Lemon
I would also like to weigh in on the ACM debate: ACM, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm getting the feeling that you don't like posting very much at a time. I don't really feel that this is scumtell, but I get the feeling that you feel that the less you post, the less people can pick apart. I'm getting a null read on him, but due to the fact that he seems to like quoting more than restating, I think we need more info from him before we can claim to have a good read on him.
