Of Gods And Men (GAME OVER!)

[Iecerint]

Ah, you're right.

Could still be Xite that wasn't counted if Census happens after kills and before Limbos. That would be a little weird, though. O_O

[Fate]

I was going to jump on Alba but there's seriously now wagon out there more viable than mine.

What a game...

[Fate]

Unvote:
Vote: Faraday

I'M TAKIN A SHOT IN THE DARK WITHOUT MY MIND BEING CLOUDED FROM READING THE THREAD>

BWAAHHAHAH

[Faraday]

oh fate u so bad.

[Fate]

Nice timing. Did you claim something confirmable and likely town?

If not vote stays.

[Faraday]

YES

but yeah reading the thread is actually helpful and stuff.

claims don't do a whole lot for me, at least people are locked in to claims.

still not sure why vas's role didn't work night 1, the fact he thinks spyrex should know and not him is odd, I don't see why that'd be the case. other than that there seems to be a lot of potential protective/night immune roles in the set-up, but I'm not sure how helpful that's been.

Bleh I still like tnm for scum.

[Fate]

Oh holy fuck how did I miss the TNM wagon and his protection of THE GODFATHERZ?

I think I just WIFOM'd myself that he would continue to protect the godfather as scum doc, but beats the PANTS of trying to start a wagon from scratch.

Unvote:
Vote: Totallymafia

[Faraday]

claims don't do a whole lot for me in terms of alignment, as I can see most of the claimed roles working for scum anyway***

[Fate]

SORRY FARADAY

So you think that there are scum in the "doubled/similar up roles?"

That means I'd have to start a VV wagon... cause he shares mine (as does ooba).

It also means single unique roles like Rajr are probtown.

But set-up speculation is lame, and that's why Faraday is town.
*closes storybook*

[Mighty Orbots]

So, raj.

Fate keeps bouncing around and makes it hard for me to read him.

AKA no read. Kay.

Tar's claim sounds beleiveable except for the part where he says hes town. sounds like its a scum role.

So you believe Tar's claim, but that makes you think he's scum. Kay.

lasty im guessing there is a big scum presance on the CMAR wagon.

For that to be true I'm guessing you see CMAR as town. Why?

All of this was what was promised when

some more insight will come later. but i needed to let you know that i am here and trying to help.

this was posted. Not terribly inspiring.

VOTE: raj

Top 3 scums and why plz.

[Iecerint]

Vote: raj

I JUST WANNA BE A SHEEP (BAA!)
I JUST WANNA BE A SHEEP (BAA!)
I PRAY THE LORD MY SOUL, 2 KEEP
I JUST WANNA BE A SHEEP (BAA!)

[Katy]

Mina

Oh yeaaah. I was looking at night 1 deaths when I tried to match up the census to people and forgot that there was someone in limbo. That must be it, since the rules state that the player in limbo cannot be targeted by any abilities (but can be voted or lynched). And since it didn't count the killed players, it makes the most sense that it would also not count the limbo-ed player.

[Iecerint]

^ So, here are our universes:

1. ABR is lying.
2. X was on ABR's list, and he's scum/cult who knows his alignment.
3. Same as above, but he doesn't know his alignment and may be town. Unlikely because I think X said he had a special wincon just for him IIRC.
4. ABR's census ability takes place AFTER the kills (so SX and SK weren't on it), but before Mina was Limbo'd (so she was targetable), and the player not accounted for by the census is X, after all.

Is correct?

[Xite91]

5. Limbo'd people still get counted in the census? Or was this disputed?
Also, 1 seems the most likely to me, but i guess I can wait until tomorrow to figure that one out.

[Iecerint]

The rules indicate that Limbo'd players can be targeted with abilities. It's possible that the census is an exception to this, but pretty unlikely.

ABR's ability won't work tonight. It should've worked today, but he has claimed that he was roleblocked.

WHICH, would appear to indicate that someone has lied and is actually a roleblocker, if ABR is town, since I don't think anyone claimed roleblocker per se (closest is dram, but his JK is via Limbo, so).

[Iecerint]

EBWOP can't

[Tarhalindur]

2. Faraday -

Harry Dresden (

Mortal

from The Dresden Files) -

Town One-Shot Vigilante.

3. Albert B. Rampage -

Loki (

God

[Norse]

from Too Human) -

Town Miller Census Taker Summoner.

5. dramonic -

White Knight (

Mortal

from Chess) -

Town Interrogator.

6. Chronopie -

Apophis (

God

[Egyptian]

from Stargate) -

Town Jailkeeper Resurrector.

7. Fate -

John, the First Cylon (

Mortal

from Battlestar Galactica) -

Town Miller Reviver.

8. ooba -

High Prophet Truth (

Mortal

from Halo) -

Town Mimic.

9. Mighty Orbots -

Technomage (

Mortal

from Babylon 5) -

Town Jack of All Trades.

10. Parama -

Marco (

God

[Judea-Christian Angels]

from Shaman King) -

Town Watcher.

11. Pomegranate -

Ra (

God

[Egyptian]

from Stargate) -

Neutral Modified Survivor.

12. totallynotmafia -

Minnie Montgomery (

God

[Judea-Christian Angels]

from Shaman King) -

Town Doctor.

14. VasudeVa -

Zelda (

Mortal

from The Legend of Zelda) -

Town HiderDoc.

15. DarkStalker -

Dream (

God

[Great Old Ones]

from Sandman) -

Town One-Night-Neighborizer with One-Shot Temporary Kill and One-Shot Permanent Voteblock.

16. Snow_Bunny -

Lucky Dirak (

God

[Judea-Christian Angels]

from Shaman King) -

Town Vigilante.

17. Nikanor -

Desire (

God

[Great Old Ones]

from Sandman) -

Town Neighborizer.

18. Mina -

The Wizard Ged (

Mortal

from Earthsea) -

Town Healer Role Cop.

20. Katy -

Anubis (

God

[Egyptian]

from Stargate) -

Town Flavour Cop.

21. Tarhalindur -

Big Daddy (

Mortal

from Kick-Ass) -

Town Ex-Lyncher.

23. Albatross -

Jon Denbat (

God

[Judea-Christian Angels]

from Shaman King) -

Town Redirecter.

24. rajrhcpfreak -

Doctor Frankenstein (

Mortal

from Frankenstein) -

Town Graverobber Summoner.

25. AdumbroDeus -

Death (

God

[Great Old Ones]

from Sandman) -

Town Deathspeaker.

26. Iecerint -

Baldur (

God

[Norse]

from Too Human) -

Town One-shot Conditional Bulletproof.

27. Xite81 -

Wayward Spirit (???) -

Ghost.

28. DTMaster -

Hit Girl (

Mortal

from Kick-Ass) -

Town Ex-Lyncher.

That means we have:

Mortal

(11):

Faraday, dramonic, Fate, ooba, Might Orbots, VasudeVa, Mina, Tarhalindur, rajrhcpfreak, DTMaster,

manho

Gods

(16):

Albert B. Rampage, Chronopie, Parama, Pomegranate, totallynotmafia, DarkStalker, Snow_Bunny, Nikanor, Katy, Albatross, AdumbroDeus, Iecerint,

InHimshallIbe

,

SaintKerrigan

,

SpyreX

,

BlazeRB

*

Norse

(4):

Albert B. Rampage, Iecerint,

InHimshallIbe

,

BlazeRB

*

Egyptian

(4):

Chronopie, Pomegranate, Katy,

SaintKerrigan

*

Judea-Christian Angels

(4):

Parama, totallynotmafia, Snow_Bunny, Albatross
*

Great Old Ones

(4):

DarkStalker, Nikanor, AdumbroDeus,

SpyreX

First thoughts:
- There are probably three mortal scum (four is within the realm of possibility, but the numbers argue towards three). I sincerely doubt even distribution of scum in god subfactions (I somehow doubt Kinetic has forgotten Bab5: Severed Dreams), so it's a pretty safe bet at least one god faction has two scum (three scum in a god faction is technically possible but unlikely, and would almost have to be JCA if it did exist). I'm not sure whether the last three scum (counting Cult Leader in scum) are distributed evenly or 2-1-0.
- Norse are likely scum-heavy, especially given the Too Human worship vote modifier. Egyptians are probably light on scum - I'd say the most likely scum to show up there would be the cult leader, given that Ra is the Survivor.
- I recognize a couple of modifications of Tarhalindur role designs in the massclaim. Dramonic's role is fairly clearly inspired by Yuki Nagato from my Suzumiya Haruhi game (while the original was a scum role, it was designed to be useful to either scum or town), and should be weighted as Jailkeeper. Raj's role is fairly clearly taken from The Mortician in Legacy of the Ancients (but swapping the Assume Mantle ultimate for an ability tying into the replacement theme). Plum's role is a Replaceable Survivor (ala Mind Screw 1, 2, and 3 - finally, somebody borrowed it!). Modified Lyncher is a modified Hitman. AdumbroDeus's role is obviously Speaker for the Dead (ala Suzumiya Haruhi - though Mikuru's signature time travel ability is absent - and Mind Screw 3). Given that, I doubt that any of these players are falseclaiming their abilities (though some might be playing it safe and only falseclaiming alignment).
- The only players who have claimed the ability to bring players in from the replacement list are ABR, raj, and me, right? Not sure what to make of that yet... although I vaguely remember this game being for 25 players during signups, so it's possible an extra scumbag came in at the very beginning (and is very probably mortal). I will note that I doubt that there probably has to be scum in the roles that can make players change roles - speaking of that, Fate needs to elaborate exactly how his Reviver ability works (the version I'm used to appears to be phrased as Resurrector here if Chronopie is any guide, and I'm not sure how the XylBot version could be made both targeted and worship-dependent without infringing on VasudaVa's claimed role).
- There's a LOT of claimed bulletproof and protective roles. I sincerely doubt that all of them are town, especially with redirectors and a possible full vig running around.
- At least one of the neighborizing roles is almost certainly scum. There's just too many of them running around for this not to be the case (not to mention that the last game I saw with a major neighborizing theme - XABC, where Kinetic was Mafia Godfather - had a scum neighborizer).
- The way the miller abilities seem to be worded and the number of role name cops suggests that there is a strong correlation between name and alignment. We may have a bunch of scum falseclaiming their name.
- Shaky claims: Faraday/S_B (I would have been on Faraday's ass like a stud on a Lego brick if not for the claimed redirect, and I'm strongly considering lynching him today as is - my gut says this setup (and especially my role) is weighted towards needing a lot of killing roles, which would mean that only one-shot vigs might be underpowered, and that 1-shot vig only is severely underpowered on town but about right for a member of a six-man Mafia; I think we may need to lynch Faraday before S_B period), Iecerint (bulletproof as only ability screams "I am a member of a six-man scum team!"). Totallynotmafia and Katy look somewhat weak as well; Katy seems a particularly likely choice for Cult Leader (though Fate would also fit).

More as I see it.

[Fate]

OH YAY SETUP SPECULATION FROM A PRO

[Xite91]

@Iec, oh yeah I forgot about the role-block somehow
It could be, so I was helping you get all the aspects of what it could be

[Iecerint]

@ Tar, we probably get Too Human because one of us (ABR) has a vested interest in preventing us from getting worship.

Don't forget about Set flipping town.

[Pomegranate]

This thread is long.
Poll: Should I spend a lot of time reading it(, or will I be confused anyway)?

[Fate]

1. My focus works just like the other's who claimed, if successful I'm made a Reviver until the next night. XylBot Reviver, not Xylbot Reincarnator. In-game flavor describes it as me going back into the living world instead of the graveyard after visiting the place inbetween.
2. I'm not sure how my miller claim fits Cult Leader, but *shrug*
3. Your well organized points and Nikanor's colorful claim list makes me want to read the last few pages and make my own comments.
4. I'll particularly focus on the Norse gods, Iecrint being a favorite lynch choice for me
5. If Katy is a flavour cop why the hell is she so certain about Ghost guy being town? Wait. flav

our

? DAMN YOU CANADIAN!
6. Who the hell said "oh well he claimed a ghost so that's why he's unlynchable" the fuck does that even mean? IM COMING FOR YOU SOMEBODY. YOU MAKE NO SENSE, WHY WOULD THERE BE SECRET HIDDEN ROLE ABILITIES

AND

CMAR LOSING HIS UNLYNCHABILITY AFTER WE VOTED HIM TO LYNCH XITE? Also Xite's weird win-con claim is not too risky for mafia to make. Scum claim survivors all the god damn time.

I'll be back to sort through things

[Iecerint]

(I think ABR's unlikely to have been scum with Percy, though he could be CL.)

Also, I didn't claim one-shot bulletproof, but one-shot unkillable. I should clarify that I am one-shot conditional deathproof, upgraded to 100% deathproof with Norseworship. (Not that this necessarily affects your judgments about what it signifies.)

(Also, keep in mind that at least one person with bulletproof abilities (YOU) is already known anti-town, even if the narrative hasn't gone that way.)

@ Pome, I'd read today, pick some favorite suspects, and iso them.

[Iecerint]

On that first note --

How many N1 Norse votes are unaccounted for?

[Pomegranate]

@ Pome, I'd read today, pick some favorite suspects, and iso them.

Smart. And unlike today, I have internet access tomorrow. Good.