Mini 983: It Got Worse (GAME OVER)

[Amished]

So you believe he's telling the truth about his abilities?

[UncertainKitten]

I don't feel that it really matters. Whether he's lying or not, his abilities have NOTHING to do with his alignment, nor is there any known way for him to prove himself town with them.

[Amished]

You don't feel Syke would put something with his claimed abilities in the game on town's side just to mess with us?

[UncertainKitten]

Are you seriously arguing for Nikanor's towniness based on role?

In a bastard game?

Actually, beyond that. You're trying to outguess the mod?

[Amished]

Yeah, why not?

There's only so many choices for Nik. Town or scum.

Yes, Nik could be scum, but then it's more likely to find him in scumhunting causing less "enjoyment" for Syke.
Or Nik could be town, his role masked by him actually scumhunting causing more chaos and more mod enjoyment.

It's simple: what would cause more enjoyment for Syke; as bastard games almost solely boil down to that. I feel Nik-town with his claimed abilities would be more enjoyable for Sykedoc.

[UncertainKitten]

I feel like this is a terrible argument and says a LOT about potential links between you and Nika.

I don't think a role/mod outguessing argument is the way to go.

Do you have any other reasons to think Nikanor is town?

[Amished]

Not particularly.

I don't see what links you could make; but that's your typical reaching from what I remember of you.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, to elaborate, it's based on Nika's flip. You aren't damned if he flips town (well, an argument could be made for that, but it WOULD be reaching). However, the arguments you are using for Nika's towniness feel like some of the easiest you can use as scum to defend a scumbuddy.

You aren't defending his play, you are defending his role. This intrigues me.

[Amished]

Seriously. What possible connections could be between us. AFTER SCoug saw me target magnus and my explanation for what I did last night (redirect thought scum to thought scum). It seems rather complicated for me to be lying about that, along with my attack of Nik early on today (before I could possibly know that I was tracked/dreamed about/visited by a pinata/whatever). What possible connection are you really trying to push here?

Really think about what you're trying to suggest; then come back when you've figured it out.

[UncertainKitten]

Ok, so you targetted the guy who died and claimed town redirector.

Except Nika isn't dead and m_o flipped SK.

Now, I wonder if instead, supposing Nika were scum, if you killed m_o and targetted Nika with a buff?

I don't see what precisely prevents that from being possible. Except for the fact that Nika would have to be scum, something we do not know yet.

[Amished]

I clearly breadcrumbed that there was a connection between magnus and Nik in my first post of the day. What could I possibly do to kill Magnus and *still* help Nika? Really?

[UncertainKitten]

Granted, I'm assuming factional and active abilities can both be done in the same night.

Allowing for say, a kill and a motivate or something. Or a kill and a protect. Or any number of things.

Breadcrumbing the connection doesn't really matter since that could quite simply be ass covering.

[Amished]

So.. in case me-scum got tracked to mo (which you still haven't explained why I would need to kill him if I thought he was scummy in the first place); and in case I got watched going to nikanor (if that even works, I don't think it would); I come up with an elaborate breadcrumb fake-claim that I'd have to keep up for the rest of the game and would out my scumpartners if I needed them to corroborate my story of redirection.

Right.

[Amished]

All on top of mod-guessing that factional and individual abilities can be used. OKAY

[UncertainKitten]

So.. in case me-scum got tracked to mo (which you still haven't explained why I would need to kill him if I thought he was scummy in the first place);

WIFOM

Next point is you wouldn't be watched. You'd be tracked to two targets.

The final point about outting your scumbuddies only pertains in such a case where your ability would obviously ONLY be used on scumbuddies.

There's always that WIFOM. The only reason I'm connecting you to Nika now is because of the way you defend him.

Also, factional/active abilities is a lot less of a stretch than "Oh, well, obviously skye wants to make this enjoyable for him so CLEARLY Nika is obvtown"

Nice try though. I mean, hay has it's place when I wanna do some pony girl play, but otherwise all that straw isn't doing any good.

[Amished]

All I see is that you have no logical explanation for your own position.

And as a redirector, I'd really only be tracked to mo; mo would be tracked to Nika. I'm not switching (not a busdriver) I'm just pointing somebody in another direction.

[StrangerCoug]

All I see is that you have no logical explanation for your own position.

X

UncertainKitten is making perfect sense to me.

[Amished]

Everything she's said in response is "WIFOM".

Why would I kill mo? (WIFOM)
Why would I claim to have done what I've done right away, when most of the time you don't really worry about other PR's (town or scum)? (WIFOM)
Why am I defending Nika? (WIFOM)

There's so many guesses on her part, but not really a factual basis for her position. Add on top of that she's attacking me for mod wifom when her position is based on that as well? There's something not right there at all.

[Amished]

Besides, I believe Nika is more town because of his abilities. He's not CLEARLY town for it, but it's something I believe. To be strawmanned in that nature only adds to my point.

[UncertainKitten]

And as a redirector, I'd really only be tracked to mo; mo would be tracked to Nika. I'm not switching (not a busdriver) I'm just pointing somebody in another direction.

Incorrect. You target two players when you redirect. The redirected and the new target. At least that's how I handle a redirection.

Also, another strawman. I never said you were defending Nika for WIFOM, I was saying you were defending him because you're potentially his scumbuddy.

I've already explained why your mod outguessing is bullshit whereas mine actually has a basis in actual modding practices.

Excuse me for slightly exaggerating the degree of your defense of Nika. Excuse me for not understanding that you were defending someone you don't think is obvious town, but merely more likely to be town.

I'm sure the mistake is fairly easy to make.

[UncertainKitten]

EBWOP:

There's so many guesses on her part, but not really a factual basis for her position.

OH BOY ISN'T THAT HILARIOUS! I CAN SAY THE SAME ABOUT YOUR OPINION OF NIKANOR!

CRAZY LIKE BANANAS!

[Nikanor]

Thanks Spy!
My abilities are named Black, White, The Ghost With The Most, Handbook for The Recently Deceased, Showtime!, Top Hat and Cane, and Say It Thrice. They're all one-shot.
I used Showtime! on Llama and Spy last night.
I wanted to ask the mod before claiming my abilities, or I would have done it sooner.

And apparently, if syke was going to send me a PM about unlocking extra abilities or whatever he would have done so by now, so I don't know what's going on with that.

[UncertainKitten]

Didn't you say you had 10 abilities or am I misremembering?

[Nikanor]

I said ten, but I didn't count them when I got my role.

[UncertainKitten]

...that...

What?

Th...I don't understand why you'd do that...