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Post Post #1875 (ISO) » Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:14 pm

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Don't you have a QT for that?

As in, don't you make a point of going to your QT before posting in thread to make sure your thoughts are aligned?

So that talking to your other head in thread would seem representative of a town Hydra that is a little more reckless with their posting?
Yet you are good enough to fake said town-hydra postings! YOU MUST BE SCUM BECAUSE YOURE ACTING TOO TOWN

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Post Post #1876 (ISO) » Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:15 pm

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@Parama, and since you're here to give such useful observations, is it time for mass claim or not. Give reasons for your answer that show awareness of the thread.

Everyone else should feel free to chime in on that if they haven't as well.

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Post Post #1877 (ISO) » Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:15 pm

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Sorry, I forgot the red:

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Post Post #1878 (ISO) » Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:16 pm

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QTs are disabled today. I think some players have already mentioned it, and I can confirm it.
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Post Post #1879 (ISO) » Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:17 pm

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that QT aint exactly game related Iece...
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Post Post #1880 (ISO) » Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:19 pm

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Mighty Orbots wrote:@Parama, and since you're here to give such useful observations, is it time for mass claim or not. Give reasons for your answer that show awareness of the thread.
Don't really care either way.
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Post Post #1881 (ISO) » Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:21 pm

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Yeah, the hydra quick topic is certainly still working. It'd be pretty silly for the game rules to cause that one to shut down. And the google docs thing was quick enough to talk about out here with the added bonus of everyone knowing that we've got a nice centralized list of information that's largely public (or that we're willing to make public) to share if there's a mass claim.

@Parama, that's not a particularly acceptable answer. If you feel that a mass claim now would help the town you should support it. If you feel a mass claim now would hurt the town you should oppose it. If you're not sure you should be able to talk about the merits on either side some. Simply citing laziness does nothing useful.

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Post Post #1882 (ISO) » Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:22 pm

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Oh. Right.

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Silly me. <_<

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Post Post #1883 (ISO) » Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:25 pm

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Problem is I don't feel either of those - see, I don't really get the point of the massclaim right now. If it's to catch scum in lies later, then what happens if scum fakeclaims end up being undetectable? And it also outs all roles and powers to the scum and puts a huge target on the back of the strongest roles, though there's probably protective roles as well to help prevent that. Not really sure what to think about massclaim because I don't see it being particularly beneficial and I don't see it being particularly hurtful.
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Post Post #1884 (ISO) » Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:30 pm

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@Parama, all of those things would have been true when the game started. Would a mass claim have been a good idea then?

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Post Post #1885 (ISO) » Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:32 pm

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Well uh if all the same things are true at the time that the game started then I can't take a stance either way there, either.
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Post Post #1886 (ISO) » Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:33 pm

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@Parama, by your argument that appears to be the case. Is it? If I'd asked whether you wanted a mass claim day one would you have said you couldn't answer the question?

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Post Post #1887 (ISO) » Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:35 pm

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Probably.
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Post Post #1888 (ISO) » Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:36 pm

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Also I'm going to be blunt right now; I'm totally not interested in this discussion. I don't have anything to say about it. And trying to force answers from me won't help.
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Post Post #1889 (ISO) » Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:48 pm

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@Parama, so here's the deal. That's not a reasonable attitude to have in games of mafia about things which are going to make a difference in your chances of winning the game. We're supposed to be playing this game to win and that means being willing to take a stance based on what's happened in the game when a question like that comes up. As the situation changes you should be able to change your assessment of something like the value of a mass claim because the information that is gained by the various factions moves in very real ways with flips, partial claims and overall game play in the thread. You don't need to be correct every time when you're deciding if it's a good move or not but you need to be willing to at least try to figure it out.

It's like when you're trying to decide who's town and scum. You need to take stances even at the start of the game when you've got a pretty good chance of getting it wrong. As things go on your answers should become better as you've gained more information.

I let it go earlier when you said that you were still useless this game because even though the JCA got worshiped your abilities were blocked due to the universal cancellation. When you throw this reaction in though it raises flags. It doesn't sound like you're trying to play the game. Town with no abilities at all can be a huge help in catching scum if they're willing to try to think.

I'm not going to go on about this too much here (not particularly because you don't want to hear it but rather because the game thread isn't the place to have this discussion anyhow) but I very much hope that you'll change the assumptions you seem to be making about your job in the game if you're town. I'd like to win and it's definitely in my interest to have you paying attention and making decisions based on your best judgment when choices present themselves. You should in theory want the same thing as it's how you go about winning games.

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Post Post #1890 (ISO) » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:42 pm

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Post Post #1891 (ISO) » Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:16 am

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Turns out I won't be out of town, after all. V/LA canceled. Sorry for spam.
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Post Post #1892 (ISO) » Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:45 am

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Zorb, I'm going to be honest, the constant walls killed my interest in this game. Usually I spam up threads with posts and scumhunting but this game I just have no motivation to search for the scum among the 500 or so walls posted. Problem is, I don't replace out except under a few set policies, and this isn't one of them.
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Post Post #1893 (ISO) » Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:58 am

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Mass Claim is okay by me. I think we could wait a day or 2 without losing much but we might not gain a whole lot either. I'm somewhat like Parama I'm happy to claim or not claim, really.

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Post Post #1894 (ISO) » Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:01 am

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pretty sure this guy is scum. I think it's pretty likely Percy would put a scumbuddy in his 'top 3' scummy people. Fate and ABR seem town. Also he doesn't really mention/Interact with TNM in the thread, he asks him a question once, whereas with his other 2 mentions he's talking with them a lot more.

:/ hope that makes sense it's early and I'm tired. He's not on my town list and that ^^ makes it a little stronger too so let's wagon him and kill him.
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Post Post #1895 (ISO) » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:54 am

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I'm fine with a mass claim

For what it's worth TNM was on my shortlist for limboing.

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Post Post #1896 (ISO) » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:58 am

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did someone else apart from dramonic claim a shield like abillity or am I misremembering? vasvuveda?
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Post Post #1897 (ISO) » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:59 am

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Post Post #1898 (ISO) » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:59 am

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and my ability is REALLY not shield-like
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Post Post #1899 (ISO) » Fri Jun 25, 2010 5:00 am

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OKAY well I meant a similiarish abillity.
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