Mini 992 - Mafia in Handsometown - Game Over

[mallowgeno]

AGar: why answer the questions if you have a problem with them?

Because I can't be 100% sure that he has no way to glean information from them. I'm only 99% sure of that.

Vote AGar

[ZeroFang]

He's probably trying to get a meta read on you. That's the info he's looking for. Whether or not it's accurate is a different story.

Personally, I forget my role when posting. I forget what side I'm on. That way, I can be very sure of myself when I say you won't be able to get a read on me. I'm also going to play like different people in different games, so don't be surprised at that. This is possibly the only game you'll actually get my personality directly. The other times I'm going to mask it heavily with "random" flair.

[gonnano]

AGar: why answer the questions if you have a problem with them?

'cause he's SCUM!

vote: AGar

His response to Chevre is not satisfactory, especially since we know that he can sometimes be a good liar.

Are you a liar? No
Are you a good liar? No
Is the sky really blue? Well, that depends on what you define the sky as. The actual gases that make up the atmosphere are not blue, but if the sky is defined by our perception of it then it is blue (sometimes).
Pickles or Pineapples? ... I will not respond to this question except to say that it has never been asked of me by a pro-town player.
Would you rather be Mafia or Town? I would prefer to be a Town player that gets to post in the scum thread.

[CallMeLiam]

Vote Count

Quoi - 5

- Quoi, Seacore, Swiss, Lowell, The Butterfly

mallowgeno - 1

- Lateralus22

The Butterfly - 1

- Chevre

AGar - 2

- mallowgeno, gonnano

julienvonwolfe - 1

- AGar

[ZeroFang]

Vote: mallowgeno

FoS: gonnano

I actually suspect gonnano more for the moment, but there's already someone voting for you. May as well not split up the votes and render them all useless.

Even if you (plural) aren't scum, your (plural) faulty logic is bringing the rest of the town down. You can lie about the answers to the questions. For instance, I lied. I prefer mafia by far.

[AGar]

Are you a liar? Situationally
Are you a good liar? Situationally
Is the sky really blue? No. It's purple.
Pickles or Pineapples? Peppers
Would you rather be Mafia or Town? SK.

mallow, I suggest having an approach to glean something from the questions rather than just asking questions for the sake of it.

Lol quoi wagon. L-2 already, and not even page two yet.

Agar, don't toy with me. And don't doubt my skills either.

I'm sorry, but it's pretty natural after those questions.

Question 1 - Loaded.
Question 2 - Loaded.
Question 3 - There is nothing you can gain from this question.
Question 4 - There is nothing you can gain from this question.
Question 5 - You can't breadcrumb from this.

The whole objective of RQS is to use questions that can lead to a response that could potentially make scum slip in some manner by being over-excited or over-descriptive about something game related. Your questions literally just seem like you wanted to look pro-town and threw 5 questions together that have no coherency or need for descriptiveness what-so-ever and expected people to take you seriously. The whole RQS phase is pointless if you don't actually put any thought or reasoning into the questions you're asking people, because nothing can be gained from them.

So unless I'm completely off, which in that case you should probably provide an explanation for each question, there was no point in your questions, thus I took them at face value and had fun with them.

@ZeroFang - Can you explain how you believe it to be beneficial to the town if no one can get a read on you? The way you've worded this makes it sound like we're going to be dealing with a posting lurker and have more doubt and confusion with you around then without you, but this could be a vast misinterpretation. Not sure. Also, I'm assuming you're suggesting that I'm attempting to get a meta read on mallow? I can assure you this isn't the case, as this is only mallow's second game onsite, thus I don't have enough alignments to get a proper meta on him.

[ZeroFang]

I was suggesting that mallow is trying to get a read on you, and by you I mean all of you. That likely was the purpose of his questions, both to get a meta and to scout for potential mafia (if he's town) or PRs (if he's mafia). I agree with you that his questions were bad if this is what he was trying to do.

With me, you're going to be dealing with someone who posts as if I'm in question too, because to all of you, I am. It eliminates the bias I might have if I were mafia, or if I were a power role, or if I were a SK, or even if I were a vanilla townie. The only reason I even brought that up was because of the (fail) RQS. Those are useless to get any sort of read on me. I'll answer differently every time, even if all other things are the same.

How is being able to be read ever pro-anything?

[AGar]

How is being able to be read ever pro-anything?

In most cases, being able to be read as town if you're town is pro-town because it allows the town to focus their efforts on more suspicious players and causes less confusion and potential mislynches. Scum/SK are going to know that you are not pro-their alignment anyways, so them not being able to read you doesn't necessarily hurt them.

Obviously scum/SK will want to be either read as town or not readable at all, but other than that, motivations for not being able to be read are questionable at best.

[Swiss]

K, who's scum again?

[ZeroFang]

If you're an obvious pro-town and the mafia have no lead on who's a PR, they're going to NK you (or they should) because you're one of the few people that the public is willing to trust. They aren't going to NK someone who's in question because it's relatively easy to persuade the town to lynch someone who seems suspicious.

Not to change the subject, but I would like to actually focus on the game at hand and not game theory. Perhaps we can start a topic in Mafia Discussion and get other people's input as well.

[julienvonwolfe]

Oh, and.

VOTE: Julienvonwolfe

lol Hi.

Are you a liar? Situationally
Are you a good liar? Situationally
Is the sky really blue? No. It's purple.
Pickles or Pineapples? Peppers
Would you rather be Mafia or Town? SK.

mallow, I suggest having an approach to glean something from the questions rather than just asking questions for the sake of it.

Lol quoi wagon. L-2 already, and not even page two yet.

Agar, don't toy with me. And don't doubt my skills either.

He's probably trying to get a meta read on you. That's the info he's looking for. Whether or not it's accurate is a different story.

Personally, I forget my role when posting. I forget what side I'm on. That way, I can be very sure of myself when I say you won't be able to get a read on me. I'm also going to play like different people in different games, so don't be surprised at that. This is possibly the only game you'll actually get my personality directly. The other times I'm going to mask it heavily with "random" flair.

So at least one of Mallowgeno or Zerofang is scum, methinks.

Vote: ZeroFang

for 'hey guys, nothing I write will be a scumtell because I forget my role, so don't even try looking, oh and I disguise my personality lolz' and answering for Mallow.

[julienvonwolfe]

EBWOP: On reflection I'm not sure where the 'probably trying to get a meta read on you' comes from, care to clarify, Zerofang?

[Swiss]

If you're an obvious pro-town and the mafia have no lead on who's a PR, they're going to NK you (or they should) because you're one of the few people that the public is willing to trust. They aren't going to NK someone who's in question because it's relatively easy to persuade the town to lynch someone who seems suspicious.

Yeah, so EVERY town person should be as pro town as they can.

One player getting selfish and drawing suspicion onto themselves DOES NOT benefit town. Now, I don't see this as a scum tell, but I really hope you aren't town this game. Play to win, not survive.

[Swiss]

To clarify, I basically just called you bad at the game as a townie.


Which now I think about, makes you either a useless townie or a lynchable target.

unvote vote ZeroFang

whrrrrrrr

[Lowell]

To clarify, I basically just called you bad at the game as a townie.


Which now I think about, makes you either a useless townie or a lynchable target.

unvote vote ZeroFang

whrrrrrrr

Here's what's dumb about this post. Everything. Stop unvoting.

[Swiss]

I learned from the best. The best unvote to the max.

[Seacore]

JVW beat me to the punch on this, I'm suspicious of both of those players too, but have been too busy with work and Modding my (awesome Song of Fire and Ice) game to post.

Anyway, in short

unvote. Vote: Zero Fang

[Quoi]

To clarify, I basically just called you bad at the game as a townie.


Which now I think about, makes you either a useless townie or a lynchable target.

unvote vote ZeroFang

whrrrrrrr

Here's what's dumb about this post. Everything. Stop unvoting.

What the heck? He recalled his random vote in favor of a serious one. Is something wrong with that? I should think not. In fact, I'll do the same.

Unvote

Vote: Lowell

[ZeroFang]

Yeah, so EVERY town person should be as pro town as they can.

One player getting selfish and drawing suspicion onto themselves DOES NOT benefit town. Now, I don't see this as a scum tell, but I really hope you aren't town this game. Play to win, not survive.

See, but the mafia can also act pro town. Mafia blending in with the normal townies is a very bad thing. I wasn't getting everyone to suspect me (at least that wasn't the point). All of this is referencing games in general. It has nothing to do with this game specifically. You should forget this when voting because it isn't relevant. You may as well have read it in the mafia discussion (where we may take it).

The only things of relevance to this game I've posted are answering the questions, and a brief explanation on why they don't work on me. AGar went slightly farther and gave a brief explanation on why mallow's questions don't work at all. The rest of you have randomly voted and spoke meaningless banter of no importance. I find it funny how you say I'm a useless town player when you all haven't done s*** this game.

I think you guys

severely

misunderstand me.

@julienvonwolfe I was attempting to explain what mallow's questions were about. That's it. He was either (a) attempting to get a meta on all of you, (b) asking questions for potential scum-tells, (c) sparking conversation or (d) posted questions for the hell of it. Maybe all of the above.

[Chevre]

Vote: mallowgeno
FoS: gonnano

I actually suspect gonnano more for the moment, but there's already someone voting for you. May as well not split up the votes and render them all useless.

If you truly thought gonnaon was your top suspect, you would put your vote on him. This is just a poor attempt at a reason to bandwagon.

You also did what AGar did - answered the questions but pointed them out as useless.

Also, your "I forget my role so I'm unreadable" is a false statement. And if you want me to believe that, then assuming that there is an average of 3 scum in a Mini Normal, that makes me at least 25% sure you are scum, plus the aforementioned scummy things, which is way better than my other vote.

Unvote, vote ZeroFang

[ZeroFang]

I voted mallow because I also suspected him almost as much, and there was already someone voting for him. It's useless to me to vote the person you hold the highest suspicion for if someone just as bad is already being voted for. My suspicion of gonnano came from the fact that he voted a person for pointing out that the questions were useless, and he was using false logic to try and make AGar look bad. My suspicion of mallow stems from the fact that he attempted to justify a vote on poor grounds. Since they both did relatively the same thing, I suspect them both roughly the same. Just FYI, it's typically a bad idea to split the votes up as it lends more vote influence to the mafia, and letting the mafia have control of the votes is a very bad idea.

I fail to see how answering the questions but adding a "just to let you know, these are useless" is scummy. If you want to draw conclusions from the questions than go ahead. It's just not going to do any good and so you're wasting time and effort that you could be using to find potential scum.

Chance and probability don't lend themselves to "reads". I have just as good a chance as anyone else of being anything. Pointing that out proves nothing. Your aforementioned scummy things aren't scummy at all. Your case is 100% fluff.

[Chevre]

But earlier you said you suspected gonnano more. Not that they were equal.

By saying the questions are useless but answering them anyway, your basically covering yourself in case they do turn out to be useful.

[ZeroFang]

If you find something useful out of them then by all means use them. The type of questions he asked weren't good questions for accomplishing anything. If nothing else, you should draw the conclusion that you need to make better questions next time that might actually result in a scumtell.

I actually suspect gonnano

a little

more for the moment

Better?

I never said I suspected them equally. I only said I suspect them roughly the same. I suspect gonnano a little bit more.

[Seacore]

Actually, you didn't say you suspect them roughly the same until after comments were made. Then you changed your story.

Thats okay scum, it'll all be over soon.

[ZeroFang]

Don't nit-pick. "Only" refers to the post above where I was questioned for apparently saying I suspected them the same.