Harry Potter Mafia - Over!

[FakeGod]

AC?

ummm...... Allied Chat? Air Conditioning? Armed Cruiser?

[ooba]

AC?

ummm...... Allied Chat? Air Conditioning? Armed Cruiser?

I'm guessing no then.
I'll explain it later.

I wanted to check if Sudo was avoiding this thread but msutils doesn't seem to be working yet. I had both Esp and Sudo put down as scum but I am not sure if Esp would openly defend Sudo like this if he was his scumbuddy.

Lets see.

[Kmd4390]

One question for FG and Kmd: Are you AC and AC?

What is AC? Alignment confirmed? If that's what you mean, then no.

Yeah well Fudge and Scrimgeour are also "good", but were they (or Dolores Umbridge)

actually

good?

.....

As much as this doesn't really matter, the Harry Potter fan in me has to respond. The entire ministry has good intent, but are pretty much downright retarded. They are definitely anti-death eater, but care so much about their image that they take control over the Daily Prophet to basically say "what death eaters? lol".

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About the claims, flavor wise, Reap has one of the biggest protagonists in the series, which I can't possibly see him fakeclaiming unless he's scum trying to draw out a real Dumbledore, who makes the most sense as a town power role. Unless I see a counterclaim or Dumbledore flip, I believe that Reap is Dumbledore. He also claims JOAT, which is very hard to fake. Reap, have you seen a JOAT in a game before?

On Sudo's, he has a bit of an antagonist from Harry's point of view. Especially once You-Know-Who takes control of them. I also don't like that he was afraid to nameclaim at first. The Jailkeeper claim makes sense for dementors. If he's scum, I expect that he's a scum Jailkeeper. I doubt he will go on to win with his claim. If he's scum, we'll find out later.

I'd rather not lynch either of Reap or Sudo today. If it comes down to one or the other, I'd choose Sudo.

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[Sudo_Nym]

That's basically why I was hesitant to nameclaim, because I knew that there was little chance people would simply buy a dementor as good. I know that I certainly wouldn't, if I didn't have direct access to the role PM.

To ooba: I win as town. That's why I said I'm pro-town. I win when the scum are dead. And I don't know what you mean by MT-class.

[Furcolow]

hi guys! i just found out i replaced into this
i'll have to catch up on this

[ReaperCharlie]

hi guys! i just found out i replaced into this
i'll have to catch up on this

ROFL YESSSS!!!!!

hahahahahaha, hello Furcolo-hohohohoho-w!! LOL hehehe

[ReaperCharlie]

About the claims, flavor wise, Reap has one of the biggest protagonists in the series, which I can't possibly see him fakeclaiming unless he's scum trying to draw out a real Dumbledore, who makes the most sense as a town power role. Unless I see a counterclaim or Dumbledore flip, I believe that Reap is Dumbledore. He also claims JOAT, which is very hard to fake. Reap, have you seen a JOAT in a game before?

Yeah but he got killed before he was able to do anything useful. lol

Fortunately that's shouldn't be too much of a problem for me.

[Furcolow]

I ARE HARRY POTTER HOHOHOHOH

lol jk

[Furcolow]

So far I've read all of Ooba's posts, and the person I'm replacing in for (MMM). I disagree with the way MMM was playing earlier on, but then I'm not a bastion of early pro-town play myself so it's all good. I disagree with his reaction to the sudo_nym/farside argument too.

I've taken that argument as being town vs scum whereas he took it as being town vs town. I'm not 100% on farside. She is highly capable of appearing to be arguing as a townie when is playing as scum. I'm keeping a light eye on her.

[Furcolow]

About the claims, flavor wise, Reap has one of the biggest protagonists in the series, which I can't possibly see him fakeclaiming unless he's scum trying to draw out a real Dumbledore, who makes the most sense as a town power role. Unless I see a counterclaim or Dumbledore flip, I believe that Reap is Dumbledore. He also claims JOAT, which is very hard to fake. Reap, have you seen a JOAT in a game before?

Yeah but he got killed before he was able to do anything useful. lol

Fortunately that's shouldn't be too much of a problem for me.

oh shit you're a jack? that's a very powerful role

[MacavityLock]

UNVOTE: Reaper
JOAT claim is hard to fake, as is Albie.

If I remember correctly, Snape was a low-down, lying, playing both sides, spying, traitorus piece of scum. Also Reap, are you claiming who I think you are claiming?

If I remember correctly, Snape pwns everyone in the end. He's also the 3rd strongest wizard, after Dumbledore and Voldmort?

Therefore, I don't believe this Snape = miller nonsense. Snape is like, amazing. He wouldn't be a lowly miller.

Those poo-pooing on my miller claim due to flavor alone are suspect. This is not the way to generate suspicion.

Mac, the mentality behind post 315 seems to imply that the only people that help the game are those who are cleared by cops. Obviously, this is untrue.

No, that's stupid. Let me make my thoughts on Millers 100% clear. First off, I think that, without additional powers, a Miller is a detriment to town. Thus, in an effort to advance my win condition, I should mitigate that detriment as much as possible. The major way that this detriment will occur is if I get investigated by a Cop. If I do get investigated, both an investigation and a lynch will be wasted. By claiming immediately, I can remove the possibility of a wasted investigation.

However, that leads to the second problem: Miller is a moderately safe claim for scum. Because the rest of town can't really "tell the difference", my claim will likely lead to worry later in the game. This is why I feel that my removal from the game as a consequence of my claim is also beneficial to my town win condition.

The reason why I think it's better to die by vig than by lynch is that a miller lynch wagon is likely to be impossible to analyze. Townies and scum can join that wagon with impunity. Thus, I don't want to waste an analyzable bandwagon through my lynch. However, I recognize that my lynch may eventually become necessary.

Does that clear things up?

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The Jailkeeper claim makes sense for dementors. If he's scum, I expect that he's a scum Jailkeeper. I doubt he will go on to win with his claim. If he's scum, we'll find out later.

I pretty much agree with flavor fitting claim, though he could also be a scum RB.

I don't feel like I can get a complete read of this game without getting my isos back, but for right now, VOTE: jmj.

[MehPlusRawr]

I have a suspicion that we should lynch FakeGod but no evidence whatsoever. Bah.

[ReaperCharlie]

@Mac: One might also say that how you've played your 'miller' role is regardless far less than pro-town, even if not the MOST anti-town:

1. townies only want to lynch scum. if you're not scum, you should give them every possible reason to think you're not scum.
2. investigators only want to target scum. if you're not scum, you should give them every possible reason to think you're not scum.
3. vigilantes only want to target scum. if you're not scum, you should give them every possible reason to think you're not scum.
4. scum don't know a miller is a miller. if you were exceptionally pro-town in the daytime, you could have hoped to draw a nightkill.

now those are the BEST ways to play miller. what you

did

do, however, was claim. and this just opens up all sorts of WIFOMbuckets™.

1. townies might want to lynch you solely based on the fact that you might just be scum WIFOMing it up.
2. investigators might investigate you anyways. dumb, but i wouldn't put it past some scummers i've met. believe it.
3. and if that's not enough, asking a vig to take you out is an out-and-out WASTE of a vig kill. seriously. ugh. see #4 above.

if you are in fact a pro-town role, you should have just shut up about your miller claim and eaten a lynch gracefully if someone DID investigate you. plus, you could have hoped to catch scum wagoning onto you for poor reasons, or any other possible useful thing you could have done until the endgame. in conclusion, you are pretty much a waste of a townie, if in fact you are a townie. you have helped the scum twice as much as the town, and i'm thoroughly displeased with you either way.

[ReaperCharlie]

I have a suspicion that we should lynch FakeGod but no evidence whatsoever. Bah.

Welcome to the club.

wait, are you even playing in this game? *looks back through thread*

[MacavityLock]

Reaper, your opinion on Millers is wrong, and good luck playing one when you get dealt that hand. Some other time (not in this thread), I'd really like to know what kind of magic I could have employed to guarantee that people thought that I was the towniest town who ever towned. Now can we please drop it and move on?

[ReaperCharlie]

Reaper, your opinion on Millers is wrong, and good luck playing one when you get dealt that hand.

Just you watch me.

Some other time

(not in this thread)

, I'd really like to know what kind of magic I could have employed to guarantee that people thought that I was the towniest town who ever towned.

Hmmm... maybe scumhunting?

Pro-tip: Scumhunting

successfully

always helps.

Now can we please drop it and move on?

Yeah fine.

[ReaperCharlie]

Sudo_Nym - 6 (farside22, Seraphim, rajrhcpfreak, ooba, ReaperCharlie, FakeGod)
ReaperCharlie - 1 (fuzzylightning)
furcolow - 1 (MehPlusRawr)
Nobody Special - 1 (IH)
jmj3000 - 1 (MacavityLock)
Seraphim - 1 (furcolow)
rajrhcpfreak - 1 (Sudo_Nym)

*edited to be correct, I think

With 16 players, it's 9 for a lynch. We have only a few days left, why wait to vote and put ourselves at risk for a no-lynch?

A few things:

-I would like to hear MPR's opinion on Sudo, as FakeGod is obviously not today's lynch.
-I want to hear from fuzzy, IH, Seraphim, etc. Anyone who has not commented on Sudo.
-I would like to know (since he is a miller but admittedly wants to be pro-town), why Mac is voting jmj instead of Sudo when we obviously need a lynch for today, and there is clearly not enough time to present a case and have everyone switch to jmj today.
-Actually, I just want anyone not voting for Sudo to explain why they aren't voting for Sudo, cause we need a lynch pretty soon and I doubt any other candidate is going to be day-copped as scum or anything crazy.

Basically: What are you waiting for?

[MacavityLock]

I make a guarantee here that I will vote to assure a lynch at deadline. However, I am in no rush to lynch Sudo immediately. We have a couple days, and I'd like to make use of that time.

[ReaperCharlie]

That's good for me. Given what you said before, that's what I assumed, I just wanted to hear you say it.



....Everyone else? (no, parroting the above does not count.)

[Nobody Special]

I need to read Sudo in iso. Which will be difficult, given the thing and the thing. But I will read late tonight or early tomorrow.

[MehPlusRawr]

Because of his claim. I'm not lynching a jailer.

[farside22]

That's basically why I was hesitant to nameclaim, because I knew that there was little chance people would simply buy a dementor as good. I know that I certainly wouldn't, if I didn't have direct access to the role PM.

To ooba: I win as town. That's why I said I'm pro-town. I win when the scum are dead. And I don't know what you mean by MT-class.

This person should be lynched for not putting the town win con down correctly. I have something in regards to the ministry being back in control.
Now unless Sens did a whole lot of WIFOM for the town win con (never saw that) I'm 99% sure sudo will flip scum.

[MacavityLock]

farside, please check your role PM and report back.

[Espeonage]

His claim is essentially right and if you added straight flavour it would very close to correct. Still believe the claim until furthur notice.

btw: Town or not he is a dementor, it is just his alignment which is in question.

[Espeonage]

Wait!

My role, *skim, skim, skim*.

Sudo is scum. VOTE: Sudo