Mini 983: It Got Worse (GAME OVER)

[Amished]

yes, Amished's opinion.

I'm not sure what your second statement in apostrophes is supposed to mean/imply.

My opinion on what?

[RedCoyote]

Ugh, I miss my sepia.

I don't know if there's much else going on. SK seems like he's uncharacteristically wagon hopping (still don't really get his move to magnus and off of it). I like Amish on offense (in contrast to his "just lynch me!!! ;_; Woe is me!!!") , but I still can't help be see it as disingenuous. He's trying to clean himself of sticking with his SPS vote by throwing me under the bus, but Amish sure put on a show like he thought SPS was scummy. I don't see how SK makes a post, "Hm, RC is still scummy", and it all of a sudden makes Amish completely abandon SPS and throw his weight behind my wagon... unless he was, like I said, putting on a show about his SPS suspicions.

SP might be a little over-the-top, but that's kind of his thing. It doesn't really strike me as scummy.

I still don't get Nikanor's position on Spyrex, and I think he's been throwing it around without really explaining it well enough. This puts me off a bit.

[magnus_orion]

yes, Amished's opinion.

I'm not sure what your second statement in apostrophes is supposed to mean/imply.

My opinion on what?

SK's change of heart, of course.

[SpyreX]

I'm back and aliveish.

RC is moving WAY up in the paranoia list for that post above that uses a lot of words to not commit to anything.

[RedCoyote]

What are you talking about? I'm committed to my vote. Amish could be lynched in the next post for all I care.

[SpyreX]

That's not what I'm talking about. The Amished vote is fine. That whole post isn't.

[RedCoyote]

Explain "not commit".

Nikanor has steadily been rising up as scummy for me, and SK and Amish haven't really moved. What am I "not committing" to?

[SpyreX]

I don't know if there's much else going on

. SK

seems

like he's uncharacteristically wagon hopping (still don't really get his move to magnus and off of it). I like Amish on offense (in contrast to his "just lynch me!!! ;_; Woe is me!!!") , but I still can't help be see it as disingenuous. He's trying to clean himself of sticking with his SPS vote by throwing me under the bus, but Amish sure put on a show like he thought SPS was scummy. I don't see how SK makes a post, "Hm, RC is still scummy", and it all of a sudden makes Amish completely abandon SPS and throw his weight behind my wagon... unless he was, like I said, putting on a show about his SPS suspicions.

SP might be a little over-the-top, but that's kind of his thing. It doesn't really strike me as scummy.

I still don't get Nikanor's position on Spyrex, and I think he's been throwing it around without really explaining it well enough. This puts me off a bit.

So, what is that actually saying about SK or Nik?

Amish being scummy and SP not being scummy are clear enough, but the rest of those words don't do too much for me.

[RedCoyote]

Goodness gracious, are you really going to come after me for using the word "seems"?

I'm not going to sit here and say that I know SK, as town, would never jump on and off magnus. I'm saying that it seems to me like townSK wouldn't do that. To the best of my knowledge, that's not how I figure a townie would've approached the situation. I've asked Nikanor to explain why he wants you lynched. He hasn't answered me, but he's continued to make posts restating his intentions. It puts me off a bit, but not enough to make a move on.

I'm realistic, you know, and I don't expect you, even if you're town, to read my posts word for word, but I'd figured you'd at least know the jist of what direction I'm moving in. I have not had flattering things to say about SK for essentially the entire game, and while I've not really come down hard against Nikanor, I've certainly not been overly impressed with his play thus far either.

[LlamaFluff]

Why yes MO, SK -IS- way too self concerned with his own survival to be town.

There is actually one other reason, but in this case its not going to be unique to him in any way, pretty sure he just hasnt realized that yet.

SK isnt a bad lynch, but I would still rather explore the Nik situation a bit more first.

[Amished]

yes, Amished's opinion.

I'm not sure what your second statement in apostrophes is supposed to mean/imply.

My opinion on what?

SK's change of heart, of course.

Vote-hopping is null for me (I've done it as scum and town) but after such a solid case against RC; it seems he caved under pressure instead of sticking to his guns like I would've expected. I'm still more focused on RC-scum.

(this will be rambling) Applying my viewpoint from various other games, when I votehopped as scum; I was going after other other-scum/going for a mislynch and looking for others opinions to form a bandwagon. As town I saw scummy things on my own and voted with my convictions. SK looks to be in the former group; but it doesn't make sense for him to make a case like he did (differing viewpoints) as scum. SK-SK makes somewhat sense; but I need to reread him more in-depth to be more comfortable with voting him.

[magnus_orion]

@Amished: "caved under pressure"? Are you sure you read what SK said? Can you explain why it looks that way to you?

[SaintKerrigan]

@ RC: Wait a minute. You keep saying my behavior is "uncharacteristic" and not like my town play. The only game I recall playing with you is the Fire and Ice game in which I was scum. What info source are you drawing from to say my behavior in this game doesn't match up with my town play and is uncharacteristic of me?

[Amished]

@Amished: "caved under pressure"? Are you sure you read what SK said? Can you explain why it looks that way to you?

The longer posts have dissuaded me from reading as carefully as I should, but if you'll follow along I'll try to outline what's formed my vague idea of SK's play lately.

Defending me: town-tell for how he did it. It was an objective read (rather than becoming personally involved) which tends to make it a stronger read and a stronger vote for RC in that whole debacle)

Vote switch to magnus on page 15: this is more emotional (and while I can understand emotion) it feels more backlash-y than normal since I felt he had a strong case against RC before that, and to abandon it for something like that seems like he was feeling weak when the wagon didn't materialize.

(then the unvote of you, m_o on page 17 without putting the vote back where it should be seems like he feels backed into a corner (caving under pressure) to me)

Going to nikanor on page 18 just seems out of the blue. There's been late "hate" for nikanor by llama and ... socio seems like trying to start a wagon on somebody due to that rather than any specific reason (vote reason was essentially wagoning against SK and little content; neither of which are scumtells)

It's just rather than scumhunting legitimately (like I felt he was with RC early on) it's slipped to personal reasons instead of logical ones when I feel he's capable of logical reasons.

[magnus_orion]

Alright, I sort of understand that.
I was more wondering about your opinion on post... (*realizes BB doesn't have the posts numbered*)

Um... this post, in particular.

Why did you change your position from before?

Because I got sick of defending something that was already putting me under suspicion and wasn't what I truly felt anyway, so I decided I might as well admit what I really felt. The point was to try and avoid suspicion, and I fucked up royally.

Why are you afraid of looking suspicious?

Because I don't like getting lynched any more than the next guy (well, unless the next guy's a jester). I tend to try and avoid suspicion as a result.

[Amished]

Alright, I sort of understand that.
I was more wondering about your opinion on post... (*realizes BB doesn't have the posts numbered*)

Um... this post, in particular.

Why did you change your position from before?

Because I got sick of defending something that was already putting me under suspicion and wasn't what I truly felt anyway, so I decided I might as well admit what I really felt. The point was to try and avoid suspicion, and I fucked up royally.

Why are you afraid of looking suspicious?

Because I don't like getting lynched any more than the next guy (well, unless the next guy's a jester). I tend to try and avoid suspicion as a result.

The first response worries me. Admitting scummy behavior doesn't make it all right (I do that as scum a fair amount) but the second one just strikes me as brutally honest. Getting lynched for non-night action reasons ultimately means you failed your alignment as a player; town or scum.

Ugh, where did my ISO go I should check if Kise's thing works for this.

[SpyreX]

Then commit. Call a scum a scum. Call a town a town. Don't play slappywags with it.
Although the clarification does help clear some of the issues.

[Amished]

@Spyre: If I could give a good reread I would commit to one or the other. The points brought up recently is what's shaken my very pro-town read of SK. I'm trying to reconcile that with what else I've seen.

[SpyreX]

Ooops, that was meant for RC. Although I guess it kind of applies there too.

[Nikanor]

RC: I've had a gut feeling from Spy's first post that he was scum.

I wish our mod were here.

[UncertainKitten]

So, you know what's crazy? I have found something to post about in every other game I've been in after the move.

Except this one?

You know what that implies? You all are talking about stuff that is not conducive to scumhunting. I'd appreciate it if you resumed catching scum. (Well, there is SOME recycled scumhunting where you all are reiterating the same points, but yeah)

[SocioPath]

Is UK claiming scum by saying she isn't posting enough for people to catch her as scum, hence the lack of scum hunting?

[UncertainKitten]

Now, SP, you're usually so much more witty than that. 2/5 at best for that effort ^-^.

Way too much of a stretch.

[SocioPath]

No wit needed to say "people without stances are scum".
Phrase it how you like, but that has been the main theme for a while now.

[UncertainKitten]

I have a stance, remember?

Amished is looking better than earlier, but still somewhat scummy
SK is pretty damned scummy
RC is looking pretty bad too.

And...eh, that's really it. At least that I feel like disclosing.