Mini 969 - Smalltown: Stardust Mafia (Game Over)

[Starbuck]

You guys, Zang is a witch.

Group said 2 witches were on Jack's lynch. Havingfitz and Jack are now dead and confirmed as town.

That makes Zang the witch not on Jack's lynch.

Vote: Zang

[Zang]

Zang, what do you think of Groupthink's results?

Well obviously he's scum.

You guys, Zang is a witch.

Group said 2 witches were on Jack's lynch. Havingfitz and Jack are now dead and confirmed as town.

That makes Zang the witch not on Jack's lynch.

Vote: Zang

lets look at the votecount

Kdub (0)
havingfitz (0)
ReaperCharlie (0) -
Starbuck (3) - Jack, Zang, havingfitz
totallynotmafia (0)
Zang (0)
Jack (6) - charter, Kdub, ReaperCharlie, Starbuck, CallMeLiam, totallynotmafia
charter (0)
CallMeLiam (0)
peanutman (0)

Not voting (1) - GroupThink

Jack and Havingfitz are confirmed town but Groupthink isnt. It also makes sence that hes scum because he has added nothing besides his sensor results to this game.

I love how GroupThink doesn't post anything about what's going on with the game since he replaced in (other than if he used his Night Action), but can come in on Day 3 still without giving any input and vote.

Vote: GroupThink

also why the sudden change in vote?

[Starbuck]

Because if the Sensor really is mafia, then that would be bastard modding and ooba & I will be having a full out fight after this game is over.

[Zang]

As mentioned before, all roles have an equal chance of being Mafia or SK. There will be no backdoor balancing on my part (so mod wifoming such as "There's no way ooba would let those three roles be scum" would only lead you on a wrong path).

[Starbuck]

I know and I read that multiple times, but the sensor role would be useless if it was mafia.

It'd basically give the mafia two goons.

[Zang]

I know and I read that multiple times, but the sensor role would be useless if it was mafia.

It'd basically give the mafia two goons.

two goons?

And even if it is useless, it does not change the fact that all roles have an equal chance of being mafia.

[ooba]

..] Vote Count [..

Kdub (0)

ReaperCharlie (0)

Starbuck (4)

- Kdub, Zang, ReaperCharlie, GroupThink

totallynotmafia (0)

Zang (1)

- Starbuck

charter (0)

CallMeLiam (0)

GroupThink (0)

Not voting (3)

- charter, CallMeLiam, totallynotmafia

With 8 alive, its 5 to lynch!

[ReaperCharlie]

/me notes that Starbuck is wifoming it up trying to weasel out of a lynch.

/me notes that IF Groupthink is telling the truth, that either he or Zang is scum. Which is more wifom, but hey, welcome to the sandwich.

/me still thinks Starbuck is the best possible lynch for today because she has been caught in an outright lie and has not said anything about it.

@RC, if you are town then what is Starbuck's motive for redirecting the roleblock on Jack? If she left things alone there would be a townie dead with Jack responsible anyway, so why exactly would she do it? It seems to me much more likely that she would do it if you are scum and she was trying to protect you.

I don't have a clue. Maybe she thought Magna really was the SK and was redirecting his kill to Jack, who she considered more dangerous than me. Maybe she just made the mistake of thinking "wow, this is such a sly move that there's no way anyone will notice it until 2 or 3 more people die", or maybe she's just stupid AND a liar. I honestly couldn't tell you either way.

But I can tell you this: If me and her were scum together (which we're not), it should be pretty clear that I am bussing her uber-hard now to make me look awesome when she flips scum. And on top of that, I'm telling you what I'm doing so that you'll know exactly what I'm doing. wifom it up all you want, but the fact of the matter is, Starbuck is scum and there's nothing to do but lynch her for it.

You scum-buddies can hold off all you want, but this IS the lynch that's happening today.

[ReaperCharlie]

Actually, I've just seen something else as a possibility. Expect a post momentarily.

[Kdub]

I thought redirectors typically aren't allowed to redirect actions to themselves? Granted, the rules don't explicitly say this. Still, redirecting the bodyguard to yourself is suspicious. If you were town, there is no way the mafia would have killed you last night anyway. If GroupThink is town and not your scumbuddy, then you also risked having him killed since he would no longer have protection (assuming Liam protected him as we said he should).

It's been discussed (most recently by Charlie) why it's extremely unlikely that Magna would have blocked Jack on his own. With that said, Charlie is pretty obviously bussing Starbuck because he knows she is caught. Starbuck redirected the roleblock to Jack because Jack was going to kill Charlie. That's the only reasonable motivation here. I have no idea why Charlie thinks he should get town credit for going after Starbuck when he really has no other choice right now.

The 1v1 between GroupThink and Zang is interesting. It's hard to get a read on GroupThink because he's been quiet for most of the game. I should note that it is odd that GroupThink did not immediately call out Zang as scum when giving his result.

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok, so..... I may have lost ALL of my town cred by now, but here goes:

This is my case to convince you guys of who I think the three scum are.
We need to lynch them all, in this order, if we expect to have any chance of winning this game: Starbuck/charter/Groupthink

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charter

has been hardcore buddying up to me, ever since day 1. He knew that I was the lynch candidate, but threw out a half-@$$ attempt to pretend to try not to get me lynched just because he KNEW I wouldn't die that night. This also makes it clear he knew that Starbuck would redirect Magna to me, because there's no point in buddying up to town if you're gonna let them get killed off.

And he

knew

that I (among many others) would vote for Jack, for BOTH getting us a no-flip lynch on day 1, AND because of the trap they'd set for him about not NKing me with his CPR thing. They knew there would be an even BETTER choice to lynch Jack after he supposedly 'lied' and didn't kill me the next night. And hey, look, it worked.

Not lynching day one is not an option

. I'll switch my vote to RC to prevent a no lynch, but honestly, a lurker lynch is a better option than RC. I think of Fitz, Liam, Starbuck, and Peanutman as lurkers.

I'd rather not lynch Starbuck, because I'm pretty sure she will be able to post more and the lurking is just her being busy.

Peanut voted Zang, so enough town points there to save him from a lurker lynch.

parts bolded for emphasis

Oh hey, Jack confessed to being scum. He lists the scenario of Starbuck redirecting his vig to Magna, whose death flavor makes me pretty sure he was killed by mafia, but didn't mention being redirected to Faraday. Whether Starbuck is a SK or not, it has no bearing on the need to lynch Jack today and Zang tomorrow when he flips scum.

You're either mafia or the biggest failure at town I've seen in a while. The mafia are the witches and faraday was blown up by a blast of magic. So Magna was the SK kill.

I switched the SK kill and mafia kill in my head

, but the point holds true. You only considered your kill being redirected to Magna, not Faraday. This is because you killed Faraday.

Conveniently mixes up the SK and Mafia kills, to make it seem like Jack is scummier than he actually is. This is more proof that they only left Jack alive that night 1 because they thought he'd be an easy mis lynch on Day 2, and it makes sense to kill Faraday cause I've heard he's a pretty good scumhunter. They were lining up lynches and we all walked right into it because of Jack vs RC (me) on day 1. What a bunch of F***tards we are.

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And

Starbuck

has obviously been caught in her lie from night 1 and V/LA. Best AtE ever, though. *golf clap*

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And

Groupthink

purposefully stayed off yesterday's lynch with one other person so that he could implicate at least one other player (probably not his own idea, probably Starbuck's, she seems to be the mastermind of the operation here, though I give charter props too, I totally thought he was town).

And I think the SK has screwed up the SB/charter/GT mafia's plans BOTH nights, by a) killing their fall guy night 1, and b) killing the same guy as them last night. Obviously the Mafia would have tried to kill the SK last night, and the SK was reallllly hoping to hit scum, and apparently havingfitz fit both molds, and drew both kills. Unfortunate for both scum groups, but good for us.

But the way the kills have gone and the way that these three players have played makes it pretty obvious to me that there's been a pretty good level of planning all throughout, and I think also if we mislynch today, or even lynch the SK, that the Mafia will kill tonight and endgame us tomorrow. So we need to lynch MAFIA, NOT SK. (and not town, obviously).

And once we lynch all those three, I think either Kdub or Zang is the serial killer. But we need to lynch Mafia today, if we lynch the SK, we'll be endgamed tomorrow and we'll all lose. This would also explain why both Kdub/Zang jumped on the Starbuck wagon so fast, because they knew they'd have no chance of winning if they didn't push a Mafia lynch today. Which is actually pro-town, and I now see why they're doing it, whoever it is.

Thoughts?

[ReaperCharlie]

The 1v1 between GroupThink and Zang is interesting. It's hard to get a read on GroupThink because he's been quiet for most of the game. I should note that it is odd that GroupThink did not immediately call out Zang as scum when giving his result.

This. And thank you.

But you're wrong about me bussing Starbuck. Read my case and respond to it please.

[ReaperCharlie]

And once we lynch all those three, I think either Kdub or Zang is the serial killer. But we need to lynch Mafia today, if we lynch the SK, we'll be endgamed tomorrow and we'll all lose. This would also explain why both Kdub/Zang jumped on the Starbuck wagon so fast, because they knew they'd have no chance of winning if they didn't push a Mafia lynch today. Which is actually pro-town, and I now see why they're doing it, whoever it is.

Was posting in a hurry this morning, and once I re-read it, this part of my post looks pretty confusing.

What I meant to say was this:

And once we lynch all those three, I think either Kdub or Zang is the serial killer. But we need to lynch Mafia today; if we lynch the SK, we'll be endgamed tomorrow and we'll all lose. This would also explain why Kdub

(or)

Zang jumped on the Starbuck wagon so fast, because

(whoever the SK is)

knew they'd have no chance of winning if they didn't push a Mafia lynch today. Which is actually pro-town, and I now see why they're doing it, whoever it is.

So, I am almost certain either Kdub or Zang is the SK, and I am leaning Kdub because it would definitely explain his somewhat detached tone in everything he posts. He doesn't appear to be fighting for the town, just analyzing things and leaving us to do what we want, all the while actively trying to stay out of any blatant confrontations with anyone.

Anyways, carry on with the Starbuck lynch, and if you haven't read my post 460 yet, read it.

[Starbuck]

I'm still not lying about my actions on Night 1.

And I AM getting a divorce. I went to legal last Monday. If you guys need to verify MY FUCKING PERSONAL LIFE, I can get Reck in here for you. It's not a pretty situation in my household right now. So to even be an asshole and say that you THINK I'm joking about MY FUCKING LIFE FALLING APART is fucking douchebaggery at it's god damn best.

[ReaperCharlie]

That's not what we meant. We aren't heartless. You're Starbuck FFS, we <3 you.

But if you're scum in this game, that doesn't mean we aren't gonna tie a rope around your neck and let you swing.

Love,
ReaperCharlie

P.S. I really am sorry for your RL sitch. =[

[Starbuck]

I am not scum, and I still didn't use my ability on Night 1. I have no way to prove that to you guys though.

[Starbuck]

Also, how am I WIFOMing?

GroupThink said there were 2 witches on Jack's lynch, which makes the 3rd Zang.

He is caught scum.

[ReaperCharlie]

OR; GroupThink is scum, IS LYING, and in doing so he's trying to pull the heat off you so you guys can turn this into a mislynch and win by endgame tomorrow.

No thanks.

[charter]

Because if the Sensor really is mafia, then that would be bastard modding and ooba & I will be having a full out fight after this game is over.

This is craplogic. Starbuck is obvscum, and this is defending Groupthink who is likely her buddy.

I'm not really sure who the last scum is.

Will hammer later to give others a chance to speak.

[charter]

Actually, I'd guess the last scum was on Jack's lynch, since Groupthink's thing is claiming either him or Zang is scum, and since I doubt he's town, it looks like he's trying to get another mislynch in (which is what Starbuck is doing as well voting for Zang).

[Starbuck]

I'm seriously not trying to cause a mislynch. We've lost enough already as it is.

[Zang]

And once we lynch all those three, I think either Kdub or Zang is the serial killer. But we need to lynch Mafia today; if we lynch the SK, we'll be endgamed tomorrow and we'll all lose. This would also explain why Kdub (or) Zang jumped on the Starbuck wagon so fast

So fast? I was trying to get starbuck lymched all day yesterday and today. Even anyone jumped on it so fast its you or kdub.

(and charter, you can use the networker quicktopic for the first 48 hours od the day.)

[Zang]

Even anyone jumped

If not even

[ReaperCharlie]

And.... does that exclude you as a viable, probable candidate for the SK?

I think not.

[Kdub]

Charlie:
If I were making a decision based solely on day interactions, I could probably buy your case on charter. At the very least, the two of you would be about equally suspicious. However, Starbuck must have redirected Magna to Jack for a reason. What reason would that be, given that Jack announced he was going to kill you? As scum, she has no motivation to save a town player. I said yesterday that if Jack was town, you are extremely likely to be Starbuck's partner, and I maintain that opinion. Your SK case on me is questionable as well. I don't get how you can say I've been staying out of confrontations, I was against Jack fairly strongly yesterday, and I am against you and Starbuck today. I realize that you need to do whatever you can to distance from each other and try to throw dirt on other players at this point, but this is about as clear a case as we could hope for today. A 1v1 yesterday, one player flips town and the other has very strong ties to you, doesn't get much more obvious than that.

Starbuck:
I don't think you are the type of person to lie about RL issues, but I think you are lying about not submitting an action N1. Maybe you were occupied and all you did at night was read the scum quicktopic and do whatever action your partners told you to, but you still performed it.