Harry Potter Mafia - Over!

[FakeGod]

Read through and looked up "chainsaw defense" in the wiki......
That's some weird stuff, but doesn't it only work once either me or kmd flips scum? meh.

[rajrhcpfreak]

@reap

this is how i saw it go down.

well farside has already been after sudo.
270, after i voted for you you started associating him and me together and trying to get farside to associate eachother as both scum. and then the possibility that we can be different factions.
275, she responds that there is a possibility and refuses to budge from her current vote on sudo.

but after this sudo makes another vote and youve planted the seed in farside's head. and hopefully follow suit. and you go ahead with your vote.

[ReaperCharlie]

Nice WIFOMspeculation™, dude.

Sounds kind of elaborate for me to subliminally try to pull that off, though. But congratulations on outing my uber-evil scumplan to get you lynched for lurking. Now can we proceed with the bandwagon-to-claim on me? It seems like that's all you're interested in anyway.

[jmj3000]

Ok, besides fakegod's wanting my thoughts on the miller clam ML made and kmd wanting my opinions on everyone, are there any other questions for me?

[Seraphim]

V/LA until June 13

Replace me if you want

[ooba]

V\LA for exactly 24 hours. You can expect a catch up post for this game within 36 hours.

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok, besides fakegod's wanting my thoughts on the miller clam ML made and kmd wanting my opinions on everyone, are there any other questions for me?

Yeah.

-who are your top suspects at this point?
-why are they your top suspects?
-are you gonna get active in the game?
-what do you think of how lurking is affecting this game?
-what do you think of my bandwagon?

[farside22]

Doing my read of each player. I need to go but here is my start so far.

Espy:
Contradicts himself by saying he see's 2 townie's arguing but says the following about Sudo

I don't see the points on sudo and so I don't have a particular tell either way on him thus far.

post 133 Still early in the game and your vote is RVS what kind of case would you expect this early?

post 161 really this case and reasoning is better?

I could see an espy/sudo scum team

FakeGod: Ask lots of questions about things he doesn't understand but I see no real scum hunting from this guy. No real suspects on who he thinks is scum. FG who do you think is scum?
I read as flying under the radar.

fuzzy: Not really a great start from fuzzy. No real question, talks more about the theme then questioning people. His first real case on RC is valid.
Needs a prod, right now null

IH: 4 post but 2 out of 4 were well thought out. I would like more from IH on who else he finds scummy.
read town


jmj: seriously this guy has done nothing at all this game. No scum hunting, no comments about any player in the game and his last post just screams scum trying to delay doing anything further
SCUM!

PJ/KMD: nothing of interest from PJ. first real post from kmd and he votes for RC but only because of content and not real good content. Seriously there is more then one person doing this. Doesn't comment about the sudo/far's argument. What else can you expect with a weak case from RC?

I thought you knew me better than this. My reads tend to mostly come from either gut or an unorthodox tell that often gets discounted as "weak" even though my tells tend to be very accurate. I have one of those tells on MMM and a gut read on Espeon.

There is gut and then there is meh. I know you have been wrong with your gut too. *cough* Gheb *cough* I was right about my read on him. :/

About RVS, I STRONGLY dislike a stage where everyone is doing nothing but joking and basically ignoring anything serious in the game.
--------HOWEVER, it is a game and should be fun, so jokes throughout the entire game are perfectly fine as long as it doesn't distract from the game.

Again I found many with lack of context so why single out RC?

Farside, are you really suggesting that UK replaced out strategically? Because I don't see that at all.

I always feel suspicious when I see a player I know ask to replace and handling other games just fine.

hypocrite much? all this gut play and lack of real reason for your suspects and you want to question my gut feel on a player?

Were you trying to play that way?

You have me on your town list why are you asking this question? Typically I either go aggressive or not depending on the game. This game needed a kick in the ass, so yes part of my aggressiveness was trying to get something going with this game.
post 294 this is better and at least more in depth reasoning.

I still don't trust kmd reading him. I don't like how he ignores the argument between sudo and myself and has no opinion on it or gut feel comments about it. I don't like that his initial case on rc was something I saw others doing in the game and could be put on many others in the game.

[FakeGod]

@farside: As of this moment, I believe MLock is scum. I don't believe his miller claim. I really don't think his predecessor would've forgot to claim miller, and I don't like how he tried to make sure everyone caught his miller claim. I know if I were miller, I'd try to make my claim as silently as possible.

[ReaperCharlie]

Wait farside... fuzzy's real case on me is valid? You mean that one post where he voted me two weeks ago when he said "he's omgusing and not really trying to move the game along and this screams scum" (or something similar)?

fakegod, congratulations on posting your first post that I can agree with.

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Oh, and did ANYBODY NOTICE that nobody really seems interested in scumhunting except farside, kmd, ooba, and myself. raj is in here posting random sh1+ that doesn't make sense, fakegod has popped in a few times over the past week, but everyone else is LURKING.

Seriously! Look over the past WEEK of content! very little to speak of from anyone but the six I mentioned, everyone else has pretty much gone AWOL, and nobody is calling them on it.

THIS REEKS OF SCUM JUST LURKING AND BIDING THEIR TIME UNTIL WE DEADLINE AND A NO-LYNCH IS REACHED -- OR, HOPING FOR A MISLYNCH ON ME BY LEAVING THEIR VOTES FROM 2 WEEKS AGO ON ME, EVEN THOUGH THE REASONS THEY VOTED ME NO LONGER EXIST.

WHAT THE @#&%, PEOPLE. WHAT THE @#&%.

[ReaperCharlie]

Btw, the deadline is Tuesday 15 June at 6:27am, site time.

farside, ooba, kmd, fakegod, ANYONE, I want to know NOW who you are willing to SERIOUSLY lynch, and WHY.

NOT because of the wagon (which is an easy way out of having to ACTUALLY scumhunt). But because of the BEHAVIOR. Because of the SCUMTELLS. Because of the BASICS.

And I want it all in the following format (so there's no excuse for lurking):

'I want to lynch NAME because of REASON, REASON, REASON.
(Unvote;) Vote: NAME'

And if you honestly don't give a flying @#&! or haven't been paying attention, SAY SO:

I haven't been following the thread. But I will follow any lynch. Baaaa

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That is all.

[jmj3000]

Ok, now for a nice long post from me, seeing as I have now completed reading everyone in ISO.

On ML's miller claim: I don't trust miller claims one bit. I don't like people trying to direct the discussion. I really don't like people asking to be vigged, because it makes it sound like they aren't worried because they know something we don't, ie. they are NK immune or something. I extremely dislike and distrust anyone who does all three things like ML has. It sounds like he has given himself an out for if he comes up guilty, and an explanation for if he survives the night.

Now to what Reap wants. My top suspect for right now is ML, due to the stuff I just posted in this post. As to am I going to get active in this game, as the game winds down I get more active due to to less people and less people to sift through evidence on. My early gameplay in large games like this consist of me reading everyone and answering any questions posed to me. As to my thoughts on how lurking is affecting this game, any answer I give would be hypocritical since I have been one of the lurkers, so I will not answer this question. As to what I think of your bandwagon, I think there are at least 2 scum on it, but as to if it is going towards a mislynch or good lynch, I can't tell because I am getting mixed reads from you.

[rajrhcpfreak]

Now can we proceed with the bandwagon-to-claim on me? It seems like that's all you're interested in anyway.

i want to bandwagon to claim everyone i think is scummy. i think thats the purpose of the game.
if you throughly convince me, which you havnt yet. then i will gladly remove my vote and vote someone else. but since we are so far into the game and each comment just makes me distrust you even more, i think the only thing that will make me flip would be a good claim.

hence why i wanted to do it earlier because we are looking at the weekend now and alot of people still arnt posting.


you keep saying that me wanting you to claim is bad because it could out a power role. well outing a power role is a million times better than mislynching a power role.

and the longer you wait the scummier you look because we will have to make a quick and haste discision if we beleive you. and that makes mis lynching even more likely.

[MacavityLock]

@farside: As of this moment, I believe MLock is scum. I don't believe his miller claim. I really don't think his predecessor would've forgot to claim miller, and I don't like how he tried to make sure everyone caught his miller claim. I know if I were miller, I'd try to make my claim as silently as possible.

Here's the problem with that. My predecessor may not have known the site meta to claim Miller immediately. I tried to rectify that. Also, why would I ever make a claim as quietly as possible. If I'm going to claim Miller, I want everyone to know that, most specifically cops and vigs. If I did want to keep it quiet, why would I claim at all?

jmj, if I'm your top suspect, why aren't you voting for me? Why isn't your vote on anybody? Why hasn't your vote ever been on anybody?

Reaper, I think you're scum because of IIOA in iso 12, your attempt at thread derailing in isos 14 and 16, your hypocrasy as pointed out in my iso 6, your failure to address your hypocrasy as pointed out in my iso 7. I also don't like your flailing about and throwing votes around to try to jumpstart various different bandwagons and hope something sticks.

Due to vacation, I'm going to be V/LA until late Monday night.

I didn't realize how much that conflicted with the deadline. My apologies. I have full claimed (just a Miller) except for name, so if anybody wants me to name claim before I go, you have an hour and a half from this post.

[jmj3000]

I'm not voting you ML because I believe in giving people a chance to defend themselves and convince me before putting votes down. As to why my vote hasn't been on anybody this whole game, I don't vote in RVS, I had a V/LA, and I have been catching up. Now, is your only defense and argument against everything I said "I'm a Miller."?If so, then I will vote you.

[MacavityLock]

On ML's miller claim: I don't trust miller claims one bit. I don't like people trying to direct the discussion. I really don't like people asking to be vigged, because it makes it sound like they aren't worried because they know something we don't, ie. they are NK immune or something. I extremely dislike and distrust anyone who does all three things like ML has. It sounds like he has given himself an out for if he comes up guilty, and an explanation for if he survives the night.

I claim nothing about NK-immune. The whole worry as to my alignment (given that I will show up guilty to investigations) is a hindrance to town, therefore to better my win condition, I don't think I should survive to the end of the game. You shouldn't trust miller claims, that's the point. As for directing discussion, I expected some reaction to my claim, and when I didn't see any, I wanted to make sure that people did in fact see the claim. Anything else you want me to address?

[jmj3000]

No, you addressed everything I had in that post. After going back, I have another question for you: How do you know for sure there is a vig? Or were you just saying that in case there was a vig?

[MacavityLock]

In case there is a vig.

[jmj3000]

Okay.

[ReaperCharlie]

@ raj:

*if rajtown: what possible way could i convince you that I'm not scum when you're not focusing on anyone else? you lurk for days and then come into the thread and just use someone else's argument against me without even looking at anyone else! how stupid is that?

*if rajscum: shut the h311 up you f*ckin lurking, easy-wagoning, parroting, SCUM. take a long walk off a short pier.

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Uh. jmj. your entrance seems pretty focused on only one or two players... you gonna comment on everyone else?? btw I think you're wrong about ML being scum, but that's just the feeling I get based on the tone of his posts and the very little sense he appears to be making.

ML, no matter what you think about it, it's still stupid to ask for a vig to kill you.
a) it wastes a vig kill that could be used on scum.
b) it leaves us with one less townie to help overcome scumwagoning.
c) a newbie vig might actually be stupid enough to oblige you.

Whether you're scum or not, I don't know, but I'm leaning no because of how tangled up in wifom it would be if you WERE scum and claiming miller. though I've never played with you before so I don't know if thats the type of gambit you'd pull. anyone else played with him before?

And yes, name claim please, ML.

Also, since you'll be V/LA I'll ask you politely and i'll ask you once: switch your vote from me to someone else who you think is potentially wagon-worthy. there's no point to leave it on me. trust me on this.


anyone else who hasn't explained their vote on me should do so now or pay the consequences.

[MacavityLock]

And yes, name claim please, ML.

Snape, Snape, Severus Snape.

Also, since you'll be V/LA I'll ask you politely and i'll ask you once: switch your vote from me to someone else who you think is potentially wagon-worthy. there's no point to leave it on me. trust me on this.

As I think there's a good chance that you're scum, I don't trust you on this. Sorry, but I need more than this.

[ReaperCharlie]

And yes, name claim please, ML.

Snape, Snape, Severus Snape.

Also, since you'll be V/LA I'll ask you politely and i'll ask you once: switch your vote from me to someone else who you think is potentially wagon-worthy. there's no point to leave it on me. trust me on this.

As I think there's a good chance that you're scum, I don't trust you on this. Sorry, but I need more than this.

I'm the next one in the song. And I'm usually naked.

[jmj3000]

If I remember correctly, Snape was a low-down, lying, playing both sides, spying, traitorus piece of scum. Also Reap, are you claiming who I think you are claiming?

[FakeGod]

If I remember correctly, Snape pwns everyone in the end. He's also the 3rd strongest wizard, after Dumbledore and Voldmort?

Therefore, I don't believe this Snape = miller nonsense. Snape is like, amazing. He wouldn't be a lowly miller.

@RC: wut

[MehPlusRawr]

Snape was good, everyone thought he was bad. Snape as miller works.