He's scummier, see that totally fake bit I quoted. Totally fake scumhunting = mafia every time.SaintKerrigan wrote:Explain to me why we should lynch Andrius over VV today?
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Right. I guess VV can wait until tomorrow (as much as I'd still like to lynch him today).Jack wrote:
He's scummier, see that totally fake bit I quoted. Totally fake scumhunting = mafia every time.SaintKerrigan wrote:Explain to me why we should lynch Andrius over VV today?
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Asking for a vote count when neither a full page nor 24 hours has elapsed puts you dangerously close to violating Other Stuff: Rule 5.Nobody Special wrote:@Mod: Votecount? (I'm feeling lazy today.)
@Andrius: Watch it again.
Still, here it is:
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I highly approve of Zajnet's move. The town has the power of more money on its side. We aren't going to win by sitting and let it collect interest. We should be using it as a weapon to deny scum the opportunity of purchasing anything.
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The breaking strategy is obvfail. I apologize on behalf of the previous person in my slot for that disaster.
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Jack rolefishes for the double voter, and then tries to make it look like it's Andrius's fault. Then it turns out he has the DV. I was going to say scum points for Jack, it turns out he has it, so nevermind. VV says he doesn't want to talk about the setup. In a game of this type, that makes no sense.
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Jack says VV is scummy for being quiet and contradicting himself. I strongly agree. VV suddenly has time to answer questions now that the wagon on him is building steam.
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NavyCherub compares VV to SPS and says SPS is contributing less. I don't like this read because even if SPS is contributing less, VV is still obviously scummier. Seems like an attempt to deflect.
Zajnet puts "pressure" on VV. Scum points for Zajnet.
VV is posting lots now, except none of it is goodposting. Scummy.
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Quoted because I LOL'd.Jack wrote:
I just bought a second one. Or are you offering to lend me yours?Zang wrote:Jack is scum.
He needs more votes.
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NavyCherub points out that pickpocket is mostly a scum ability. I agree that it seems to attract scum, but keep in mind, if it hits scum from town, it pwns them. Remember, you take their NK that they blew all their money on OR you hit the team that probably wired all its money into one pool to try and buy NK but got outbit by the other team.
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VV gets right on the Farside counterwagon. The entire VV wagon goes away. Wtf. Farside needs to post moar, but I don't think she is intentionally trying to hide.
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Farside wagon dies. How predictable :eyeroll:. Andrius makes a really, really bad catchup post. People call him out for it. I agree it was bad, but I think VV is worse. I also don't like the people on the VV wagon at all. VV is getting on any wagon that isn't his, I don't like Jack's playstyle, and I don't know what fishy is contributing to this game but I can't really pick up on anything. The only person I don't mind is SK, but he seems to just be doing whatever Jack tells him.
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@Mod: How much money do we stand to gain with the world cup stuff anyhow?(Let's say I miraculously called all games right.)
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AlMaster's post is nice and all. Can't say OMG town but better then flashstorm.
I need more then 10 minutes to come up with a more then half way case on a few people that I had a feel as scum besides VV.
I hope to have some time late tonight or early tomorrow.
God my life without MS at work is really hectic. Sorry I am trying.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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I'm not worried about it. You said so yourself. Moving along.Jack wrote: Why on earth would you be worried about that? You can't possibly be. No one has been asked to claim, and a claim can't clear anyone because scum can buy the abilities just like town can.
1) I asked someone to become more OMGUSy? Show me where.Fishy wrote: 1. Asking an already OMGUSy player to become more OMGUSy.
2. On the farside wagon. Some fence sitting - the bad kind where you aren't undecided, just have no intention of doing anything until other people do.
3. A prediction that there is scum on the dispelled farside wagon. He doesn't give a reason for this (why is being on a fast dispelling wagon a scumtell?).
I dislike the comment on grammar - while it seems a silly thing to be arguing over, I think it's quite obvious here that the grammar of that sentence is hugely relevant to whether someone dropped an enormous scumtell. To dismiss that as irrelevant just because it's talking about grammar is both easy and wrong.
2) Yeah, I'll just go ahead and follow Jack/VV/SK's lead and wagon whoever they vote because that's the right thing to do. /sarcasm Seriously. What do you expect, sheeple?
3) I was somehow convinced that SPS was on the farside wagon too. Ugh. IDK how that happened. I think it happened spontaneously, with SK and VV just jumping on the wagon with no good reason mentioned.
As for the grammar issue, its just a thing of mine. I don't care too overly much to look into how someone words their scentences unless there's something blatantly obvious with it like a breadcrumb. I don't care to get into debates over gerundial phrases in a mafiascum game. Sorry to burst your bubble.
I take that back. I'm not sorry to burst your bubble.
Ok wow. I have 3 votes on me and you're already proclaiming me lynched? Jumping the gun a bit there, eh Vas?VV wrote: I am so sad that we are lynching Andrius today. . I wanted to see him do that thing he did in Greek Mythology(ie. Prance around the thread being confirmed scum. Also call out to your scumbuddies.).
Still, this feels staggeringly similar to his earlier D1 play at Greek Mythology(when I was still alive). (btw, Do other Greek Mythology alumni agree?)
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If you're looking to see me prance around as confirmed scum swing by (censored for ongoing game) where I'm doing it right now, until I'm lynched. I won't do it here because I'm not scum.
"Staggeringly similar?" Personally, I feel that your vote on me was weak. You're basing my entire playstyle over your one experience with me where I was, yes, scumboss. Perhaps you should read into my town games as well, and see if I match. Odd. Since we're dwelling on Greek Mythology, you asked for like, half of the player's meta's in D1 of that game. Strange you're not doing it here.
##Vote: VasudeVaAnd now you're willing to lynch anyone but yourself, to save your own hide. Be like Ooba in Greek Mythos D1, where he was willing to die to kill scum. You seem overly concerned with saving your own butt than hunting scum. You're hunting for a good lynch candidate that isn't you. Play pro-town or be lynched, Vas.
Thanks for the heads-up. I'll start paying off my debt now. lol Anyone want leftover dinner? I'll sell my dinner for cheap.SK wrote: @ Andrius: We're lynching VV today (barring other epic claims of scumtastity), but don't worry, we'll come 'round for you tomorrow...
What part are you talking about?!? I still don't get what you're trying to say.NS wrote: @Andrius: Watch it again.
And I take it you're just going to get away with voting me without reason? Why did you ask for a votecount before voting? Wanted to make sure you could fit on the wagon? Wanting to make sure your scumbuddy wasn't on it? Your vote is throwing yellow flags all over the place.
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Re-quoted for emphasis. VV's clearly out to survive D1 doing whatever it takes to do so. Jack's playstyle is odd indeed, especially the ignoring Zang earlier. And SK is following Jack alot lately.AlmasterGM wrote: VV is getting on any wagon that isn't his, I don't like Jack's playstyle
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The only person I don't mind is SK, but he seems to just be doing whatever Jack tells him.
Here SK votes farside after Jack does:
SK adds the ##'s immediately after.SK wrote:Vote: Farside22
I'll dig this for now.
Here SK votes me after "convinced" by Jack:SK wrote: Right. I guess VV can wait until tomorrow (as much as I'd still like to lynch him today).
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This.AlmasterGM wrote: Why do you think Andrius is scummier than VV?
I'm also wondering what lurker_SPS and lurker_NC are up to.
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@Andrius: VV gave a some-of-these-are-scum list, which included precisely all the players on his wagon. SK wasn't there, and you asked why.
I'm not saying you should have followed the wagon blindly. Here's what you said:
So. What do you think of the farside wagon? You agree with it to an extent. Which is pretty much totally meaningless. What good points have been made against farside? We don't know. How likely is farside to be scum? We don't know. Are you likely to vote farside over other players? We don't know. This reads very much like scum who wants to be able to make their mind up when it becomes clearer whether this wagon is leading to a lynch.Andrius wrote:Ok wow. The farside wagon jumped up out of nowhere. I agree with it to an extent. I just hope these wagons don't push us to what happened in a current game, where the town (before I replaced in) decided to wagon 3 people to L-1 and force claims. /bad idea
Ok wow. That farside22 wagon dispelled really fast. I'm willing to bet game money that there was a scum on that wagon (even if farside was scum herself. Nothing like bussing.)
I think you're very wrong about the grammar thing. If I say a sentence meaning "I'm scum", but I claim it has some other harmless interpretation, it's clearly important to work out whether that harmless interpretation is likely. Sounds like something you believe though.
Disliking VV's wagon hopping. Generally liking Andrius's response.
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1. VV is wagon hopping!
While wagon hopping is in fact scummy, the fact that there is no other wagon(other than myself) is a little predicament. I'm mostly trying to make the most of my vote here, do you prefer that I withhold my vote and not give you any information?
2. VV is only interested in survival!and is not the kamikazee bomb of protown play I once knew him to be!
Of course, I am interested in survival and there is no way I can BS to help town at this point given the semi-open nature of this game. Any self-respecting townie will not let themselves be mislynched.
And besides, I haven't lived long enough to fully play the unique mechanic of this game. So boo hoo, sorry if I want to have fun. But saying I'm scum for it is silly.
3. VV is not scumhunting!
Well. I'll admit that my scumhunt is very lax in this game. However do keep in mind that I am the one at question here. Any attempt of scumhunting that I am doing is blamed as 'wagoning'. Sooo, I'm like woah, wtf do I do here.
*and besides, doesn't suspecting your wagon count as scum hunting, hm? so after you flip/disperse the wagon, you know what to aim for?
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@Fish 337: You are not making sense, again. You said that you think that because the sentence you thought I said did not make sense, therefore was a 'likely mistake'. However now you are bringing it up again and voting me. So reiterate: Did I make a mistake, or not?
@Alm: Well isn't this familiar. Replace in, and then tunnel. (Actually, that's why I think you're town(again(also parenthesis abuse)))
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Actually, I was bringing up that sentence only in arguing with Andrius. It's still one of my reasons for voting you, certainly. I never said it was a "likely mistake" - I said that one particular piece of evidence made itmorelikely a mistake.
I don't understand your point on wagon hopping - why does there being only one wagon other than yours make you jump on it?
There's a difference between being interested in survival andonlybeing interested in survival. From the way you hop on any wagon which might rival yours, it looks like you don't care who we lynch as long as it isn't you.-
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YESSS! Thank you fish!
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*Ahem*
Why Fish is Scum: A Qualitative Analysis of a Fishy Scumbag's Posts
ISO 31:
"I agree that the fact that what you said is pretty obviously a silly thing to say makes it more likely it was a genuine mistake. "
ISO 37:
"No, I don't think you made a mistake"
Saying that "I agree that the fact that what you said is pretty obviously a silly thing to say makes it more likely it was a genuine mistake. "
does not go with the sentiment
"I don't think you made a mistake"
Why say the first sentenceat allwhen, in your mind, you are already thinking the second sentence.
There you have it, ladies and gentle men. Also, I would like to point out: ISO 37 is a classic example of cognitive dissonance.
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There are some things that make me think it wasn't a mistake. There is one thing that makes me think it more likely to be a mistake. Why on earth shouldn't I consider both?
By your argument, if I think someone scum I should ignore all evidence to the contrary. You are saying precisely that it is wrong and scummy to consider both sides of the argument. Which is an extraordinarily horrible attack.
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I don't get it. How did making a crappy post help you find scum, specifically?Andrius wrote:I admit to using my crappy post for finding scum. So sue me.
Vote hopping is what actually withholds information. We don't know who you'd prefer to lynch because it's clear you're just getting on whatever counterwagon you can find.VV wrote:While wagon hopping is in fact scummy, the fact that there is no other wagon(other than myself) is a little predicament. I'm mostly trying to make the most of my vote here, do you prefer that I withhold my vote and not give you any information?
The point isn't that you can't defend yourself. Remember, though, that a vote is a dangerous tool. You are endorsing the lynch of pretty much anyone so long as it isn't you. This doesn't help the town and seems really scummy.VV wrote:Of course, I am interested in survival and there is no way I can BS to help town at this point given the semi-open nature of this game. Any self-respecting townie will not let themselves be mislynched.
VV's last post has decent content, but for some reason I still get a gut scummy vibe from it - like he went out and made it specifically because he knew people were yelling at him for not scumhunting. idk, though.-
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Point taken. But see here, there is a reason why I started vote-hopping all of a sudden~AlmasterGM wrote:Vote hopping is what actually withholds information. We don't know who you'd prefer to lynch because it's clear you're just getting on whatever counterwagon you can find.
*See cont.*
How does that make me more likelier to be scum than others?AlmasterGM wrote:VV's last post has decent content, but for some reason I still get a gut scummy vibe from it - like he went out and made it specifically because he knew people were yelling at him for not scumhunting. idk, though.
I agree that people did have to yell at me to look for scum, but see here that could also come from a townie survival mode. (IMO, Survival mode should not be considered a scumtell. I do not get how you people think that townies are suicidal lemmings who do not want to have fun.)
Okay if that's not convincing, what would a townie do if all of town suddenly starts yelling at him for not scumhunting?(Actually, if you haven't noticed, I made a case that I was/am scumhunting. Do you disagree?)
Considering both sides is not why I think you're scum.Fishy wrote:There are some things that make me think it wasn't a mistake. There is one thing that makes me think it more likely to be a mistake. Why on earth shouldn't I consider both?
By your argument, if I think someone scum I should ignore all evidence to the contrary. You are saying precisely that it is wrong and scummy to consider both sides of the argument. Which is an extraordinarily horrible attack.
But the important thing here is WHY you posted the two statements in question.
Why post ISO 31 AT ALL if in your mind you already were thinking ISO 37?
There is simply no excuse for a townie to post BOTH when they clearly have contradictorysentiments(Not statements, sentiments mind you.).
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I've only playing in one other game with him, so I'd have to meta him to see if he's like this when he's scum.Andrius wrote:I'm not getting sucked into this ESL debate, since we had enough of that in the other game.
Irrelevant discussion, since I posted above VV:
Not in this game. lol
Nothing's wrong. IRL you? YOU EXIST IRL? We're all actual people? /sarcasm I was wondering whatheyou were holding. I thought it was a cookie. /hungry I like your hair, BTW. The only pic of me that I have on my comp is me in a tux.
Andrius on VV at the time when VV was acting his scummiest. Ever do that meta read Andrius? Also can you explain the comment in that first quote? (the "I'd have to meta him to see if he's like this when he's scum" comment).Andrius wrote:OK WOW GUYS. We're arguing over a GRAMMER ERROR? Sheesh. I am not getting involved with an ESL discussion.
Andrius on VV after there are a bunch of votes on Andrius.Andrius wrote:
Ok wow. I have 3 votes on me and you're already proclaiming me lynched? Jumping the gun a bit there, eh Vas?VV wrote: I am so sad that we are lynching Andrius today. . I wanted to see him do that thing he did in Greek Mythology(ie. Prance around the thread being confirmed scum. Also call out to your scumbuddies.).
Still, this feels staggeringly similar to his earlier D1 play at Greek Mythology(when I was still alive). (btw, Do other Greek Mythology alumni agree?)
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If you're looking to see me prance around as confirmed scum swing by (censored for ongoing game) where I'm doing it right now, until I'm lynched. I won't do it here because I'm not scum.
"Staggeringly similar?" Personally, I feel that your vote on me was weak. You're basing my entire playstyle over your one experience with me where I was, yes, scumboss. Perhaps you should read into my town games as well, and see if I match. Odd. Since we're dwelling on Greek Mythology, you asked for like, half of the player's meta's in D1 of that game. Strange you're not doing it here.
##Vote: VasudeVaAnd now you're willing to lynch anyone but yourself, to save your own hide. Be like Ooba in Greek Mythos D1, where he was willing to die to kill scum. You seem overly concerned with saving your own butt than hunting scum. You're hunting for a good lynch candidate that isn't you. Play pro-town or be lynched, Vas.
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