Open 203: C/9 Mafia Wins!

[kunkstar7]

I would really like Lowell to do something with is slot to show some reason why he shouldn't be a target today.

Kunkstar was doing some pretty suspicious buddying with Lowell Mark I back in the "HEY LOOK I'M A COP LOLOLOLOL" period, but he gets a few town points for some recent scumhunting. Also faintly scum.

Unfortunately I believed him as a cop, so I was hoping the his flip would either confirm me or kill scum.

TRYING TO STOP TOWN FROM BEING LYNCHED: Totally not worth it.

What? That makes no sense. If you believe someone is town you should defend them, doing otherwise is obviously anti-town as you are allowing what you believe is a mislynch to go through?

[Gheb]

Azelf, I have no idea what you try to say. I said "I'm OK if he's lynched". That's something way different than "OK let's lynch him now".

Seriously, it's not THAT hard to understand

[Gayle]

TRYING TO STOP TOWN FROM BEING LYNCHED: Totally not worth it.

What? That makes no sense. If you believe someone is town you should defend them, doing otherwise is obviously anti-town as you are allowing what you believe is a mislynch to go through?

Azelf was referring to me and, much like Lowell, I happen to specialize in anti-town.

Personally, I think defending a person just because you

think

they

might

be town is retarded. Especially when dealing with a player like Azelf who likes to make a big deal out of nothing.

[Nachomamma8]

Azelf, I have no idea what you try to say. I said "I'm OK if he's lynched". That's something way different than "OK let's lynch him now".

It's not really different at all if it's not "I'm OK if he's lynched, but I'd much rather lynch XXXX because...", or if it's "I'm OK if he's lynched, but I'd like for us to wait..."

[JacobSavage]

/prodded, think more later

[kunkstar7]

NO GET BACK HERE NAO. ANSWER OUR QUESTIONSSSSSSSSS

In all seriousness, answer the questions posed to you, shouldn't be that difficult.

[farside22]

vote count:

JacobSavage (2) Gayle, Nachomamma
Gheb (2) kunkstar, Azelf


Day 4 deadline is June 23, 2:00pm PST
with 7 alive it will take 4 to lynch

[JacobSavage]

Why nacho and Lowell? I see no reasoning from you as to why we should look at them, and for what? Just looks like you want others to build the case for you.

Right this is one of these cases that if I explain, the magic wears off
I think thats the lot

[kunkstar7]

Why nacho and Lowell? I see no reasoning from you as to why we should look at them, and for what? Just looks like you want others to build the case for you.

Right this is one of these cases that if I explain, the magic wears off
I think thats the lot

No. Explain it. Now.

Unvote; Vote: JacobSavage.

it worked last time...

[Nachomamma8]

That's L-1 for anyone who didn't catch it.

[Azelf]

What? That makes no sense. If you believe someone is town you should defend them, doing otherwise is obviously anti-town as you are allowing what you believe is a mislynch to go through?

As you seem not to have noticed, I was commenting on the quote above that statement.

Azelf, I have no idea what you try to say. I said "I'm OK if he's lynched". That's something way different than "OK let's lynch him now".

Seriously, it's not THAT hard to understand

Actually, in Mafia, those two statements

are

the same. By saying you are "OK" with his lynch, you are saying that you want him lynched. Right then.

Personally, I think defending a person just because you

think

they

might

be town is retarded. Especially when dealing with a player like Azelf who likes to make a big deal out of nothing.

Defending someone you think might be town is still important; if you can clear them, it leaves the town free to go after scummy people.

And as long as we're on that topic, that thing I'm doing; that's called scumhunting. Please clarify what you have against it.

Right this is one of these cases that if I explain, the magic wears off
I think thats the lot

Let's get straight to the point. Make the magic wear off, or I'll hammer you.

[Nachomamma8]

Woah, azzy. Don't get so hammer happy. The game's moving at a good clif and I don't really think that there's THAT good of a chance that JS is more likely scum than Gheb.

[Lowell]

kunk is almost certainly town.

No one died one night after LowellI fakeclaimed cop with kunk innocent, which makes me think someone targeted (probably) LowellI or (maybe) kunk and was blocked. If kunk was really scum, he would have KNOWN that LowellI was fakeclaiming and probably not been so gloaty about his being "discovered" to be innocent. If it were me in kunkscum's shoes, I would have (a) been confused as hell, (b) been happy as hell, and (c) done EVERYTHING to avoid calling attention to the relationship between the two of them.

[Gheb]

Why should it be the same thing Azelf? If I say I'm OK with X being lynched then I say that it's OK if he's lynched on this particular day (in game day) but not right now.

I mean if you want to misconstrue it to make me look like scum then go ahead.

[Nachomamma8]

Lowell Mark II, I disagree with your reasoning. If I was kunkscum, I definitely would've no-killed (to lend credence to your claim), and then buddied up with you like none other so when I went down, I could carry you with me.

I believe that Azelf is town but that doesn't really have anything to do with the investigation result on him.

[Azelf]

Why should it be the same thing Azelf? If I say I'm OK with X being lynched then I say that it's OK if he's lynched on this particular day (in game day) but not right now.

I mean if you want to misconstrue it to make me look like scum then go ahead.

Basically, this is just you trying to lead town in circles by claiming you didn't say something even when you obviously said the thing.

In this case, you actually said you wanted him lynched then immediately claimed you didn't.

That you haven't been lynched yet is truly amazing.

[Lowell]

Lowell Mark II, I disagree with your reasoning. If I was kunkscum, I definitely would've no-killed (to lend credence to your claim), and then buddied up with you like none other so when I went down, I could carry you with me.

I believe that Azelf is town but that doesn't really have anything to do with the investigation result on him.

Yeah we're not going to know I guess unless someone claims doc. Which by the way I recommend (OMG OMG SOOOO SCUMMY) because docs are useless anyway.

[Gheb]

OK I let you keep tunneling your retarded idea.

[JacobSavage]

Now to revel the most amazing plan in existence

To put it simply Lowell II and Nachomamma have to be vanilla/scum.
Why? Because given that this is a C/9 game, and add in the change of mods, how would the mod know that Lowell is Cop or Doc?
The time she would know, with 100% certainty is Mafia.

We have 2 scum left. And we have had two replaced players.

Lets say they both are scum, that would mean that Farside would have got 7 town-aligned PMs. From which she could work out that the two replacements are scum. Pretty Simple.

If none of them are scum however, that would mean that Farside had got 5 town-aligned PMs and 2 scum PMs. However what kind of townie are they? Unless Hewitt and Wdjat turn up, we probably will never know, so I would imagine they were just plain townies, as a Doc/Cop would throw up complications if they ask for their previous results.

The most ingenious one is if only one of them is scum. How will know which one is it? Simple, I would imagine, like most games on this site, scum would have a QuickTopic, which would allow them to converse at night. From that she could find out who the other one was.

There is my amazing plan, that would of worked on getting Lowell and Nachomamma to claim. If they claimed a power role, then...
But now we must move on.
btw, I claim Vanilla

Doc's are one of the most useful roles in the game. T_T

[kunkstar7]

Wrong. The mod could just redo the dice roll for roles again, randomize nightresults. It's been done before if I recall correctly, in at least one of the really early newbie games where the mod flaked. The replacement mod made a note about it postgame. You know, trying to base assumptions off of out of game information is bad really, especially if its flawed. So any actually scumhunting based off of ingame posts to add?

[Azelf]

Yeah we're not going to know I guess unless someone claims doc. Which by the way I recommend (OMG OMG SOOOO SCUMMY) because docs are useless anyway.

What, you're not satisfied with getting one doctor nightkilled for no reason?

Now to revel the most amazing plan in existence

Dear god, you really thought about this...

At any rate, I'm of the impression that your plan wouldn't work, for this reason;
Farside seems to be a competent mod, and I don't think she would have decided to reboot the game if she couldn't figure out what everyone's role was from their PMs.

[JacobSavage]

@Kunk, so assuming that she does a completely random dice roll for all the possible choices that player could of had in the night.
Doc's randomised save choses person who dies during the night?
Otherwise we end up with a scewed choice.

[Nachomamma8]

Jacob, I'm unsure what your plan reveals. I could definitely guarantee that if Farside didn't know the roles of the players in the game, then she wouldn't be modding right now.

[Lowell]

This game was much more interesting when I was faking being a cop.

[farside22]

prods will go out tomorrow.