Mini 987: Alternative Vote Mafia- Ovah!

[Pomegranate]

I think that in a game with unusual mechanics like this everyone would read the rules (equally) carefully, and therefore

not

reading the rules carefully would be a nulltell. Thoughts?

[Zachrulez]

I see it as a slight tell. Admittedly not overly strong, but a good early vote IMO.

[Jack]

I think that in a game with unusual mechanics like this everyone would read the rules (equally) carefully, and therefore

not

reading the rules carefully would be a nulltell. Thoughts?

I think this post is a nulltell.

unvote, vote:Pomegranate

[Pomegranate]

You

do not make sense.

And

I

am leaving for the night because I must study. Goodbye.

(Zachrulez:

You

make enough sense. For now.)

[vollkan]

I think lack of attention to the rules is at least slightly more likely to come from scum.

Vote: Zach

until you give an explanation.

The "scum don't pay attention" line is just a lazy attack and is bogus as far as the meta of this site goes. Moreover, there is no theory reason why scum should pay less attention - they have just as much need to be convincing and to avoid appearing to use craplogic.

Less incentive to. There's generally less need to read or pay attention to the game when you don't need to figure out who's what.

Two points:
1) To an extent, town obviously have a greater need to be correct and thus pay attention. But scum have a strong incentive to appear as pro-town as possible, and so the difference is somewhat negligible.
2) Moreover, there are a whole heap of other reasons why somebody might overlook or misread something - laziness, posting in a hurry, simple mistake, etc.

You think it's bogus? Explain to me why, cause your say so isn't something that's going to carry a lot of weight in my eyes.

As I said - because there are a huge number of reasons why people might not pay attention. It's extremely simplistic to assume that you can determine an action to be scummy simply by reference to what would rationally be done by somebody properly playing their alignment.

Also, I don't see a need to be convincing as something that's mutually exclusive to paying attention to everything.

If you are going to be convincing, you can't miss important things. Since you can't know a priori what is important and what is not, it is necessary (but obviously not sufficient) to pay attention even as scum.

I think that in a game with unusual mechanics like this everyone would read the rules (equally) carefully, and therefore not reading the rules carefully would be a nulltell. Thoughts?

I'd say it's always a nulltell, but I can understand why someone like yourself who presumably doesn't would think that it was more of a nulltell in this sort of setup

[Ellibereth]

Oh jack...

Unvote, Vote Pom

[Shattered Viewpoint]

WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE VOTING



AAAARRRRRRGH




Oh, hi.

[jasonT1981]

I think that in a game with unusual mechanics like this everyone would read the rules (equally) carefully, and therefore

not

reading the rules carefully would be a nulltell. Thoughts?

I think this post is a nulltell.

unvote, vote:Pomegranate

I dont get it... if the post is a nulltell.... then why vote pom?

I do agree slightly with Zach about not paying attention, to me it is more a slight scum tell then a null tell.

[Shattered Viewpoint]

What?

I post and everyone dies?

Awesome power.

[Jack]

I think that in a game with unusual mechanics like this everyone would read the rules (equally) carefully, and therefore

not

reading the rules carefully would be a nulltell. Thoughts?

I think this post is a nulltell.

unvote, vote:Pomegranate

I dont get it... if the post is a nulltell.... then why vote pom?

Think about it...it's a good reason to vote pom.

[jasonT1981]

I ninja'd you, Shattered

[Zachrulez]

Unvote: Vote: Pom

Reaction to my Jack vote is interesting. Also seems more willing to discuss game theory than actually scum hunting.

[Pomegranate]

Well, as opposed to a fake sort of RVS I'm willing to discuss game theory, yes.

[Jack]

I will cast my ballot soon (with pom at the top) but I'm not sure where to put the rest of you...

[Pomegranate]

WAIT FOR VERY CLOSE TO DEADLINE BECAUSE

YOU CAN'T CHANGE IT

[Jack]

WAIT FOR VERY CLOSE TO DEADLINE BECAUSE

YOU CAN'T CHANGE IT

That's silly (for somewhat obvious reasons).

[Anon]

By page 2, my top candidates for scumbags are Pom and jason. Maybe Zanch and Eli.

[Pomegranate]

Why? I'm not quite sure what I did.

[Pomegranate]

Zach, why do you have to seem so much like scum jumping a quick, early wagon?

Vote: Zach

.

[Jack]

Zach, why do you have to seem so much like scum jumping a quick, early wagon?

Vote: Zach

.

He doesn't at all. Especially in this format.

[Pomegranate]

Why? I'm not quite sure what I did.

And what did I do?

[Shattered Viewpoint]

Why? I'm not quite sure what I did.

And what did I do?

Silly Pom. You don't have to

do

anything.

[vollkan]

Zach, why do you have to seem so much like scum jumping a quick, early wagon?

Vote: Zach.

Why is wagonning scummy?

[Pomegranate]

The reasoning he gave is iffy, IMO, and I don't like it.

[vollkan]

The reasoning he gave is iffy, IMO, and I don't like it.

So it's his reasoning, not his wagonning?