Mini 983: It Got Worse (GAME OVER)

[SocioPath]

@ SP: Why?

Why what.

[SocioPath]

For safety's sake lets call the blue text Omega. If anyone spots the irony in this they win a prize

sykedoc gains a point for bad use of "irony".

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I MEAN:

BECAUSE THIS GAME BEGAN IN BLUE.

This is a sentence fragment.

[SaintKerrigan]

But your post was a trainwreck of scum filled bags of scummy scum.

Why? (for dummies!)

[Nikanor]

So many pages....

Nikanor gains a point for attempting to stall.

[SaintKerrigan]

Wow, Nik, Alpha hates you...

[Nikanor]

It's not my fault my engine won't start.

Invalid humor attempt.

[SocioPath]

@ SP: Ok, I goofed and missed your vote. Why does this make me scum?

Ok, you goofed and missed my vote.
No big deal.

Forgot Spyrex was voting Amished too.

My mind doesn't know what the hell to make of Spyrex

, but he seems to have been fairly quiet,

although he did start the Amished wagon

.

Going neutral for now.

Also, to everyone jumping on Amished for what he did, why aren't you giving RedCoyote the same treatment?

This

: Attacks people for the wagon, yet doesn't even know who is on it.

This

: Knows what to make of everyone else on the wagon though, but not Spy.
This:

Leaving my vote on RC because he's gone suspiciously quiet as of late (plus my previous grievances still stand).

This

: Spy started the wagon that SK is attacking people for being on it.

This

: But all this concludes to Spy just being neutral.

This

: "Why X not Y".


And SK doesn't think Spy not starting the wagon is a big deal, despite that was listed in the reasons for SK's opinion on Spy.

[SocioPath]

This is a sentence fragment.

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"This is a sentence fragment." is not a sentence fragment.

BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THIS GAME BEGAN IN BLUE, ONE MIGHT CONSIDER SUCH TO BE THAT OF IRONY.

<3

[SocioPath]

And SK doesn't think Spy not starting the wagon is a big deal, despite that was listed in the reasons for SK's opinion on Spy.

In other words:

'I THINK SPY IS TOWN FOR STARTING THE WAGON!'
'...he didn't start the wagon'
'SO? WHATS YOUR POINT? WHERE ARE YOU GOING WITH THIS?'

[RedCoyote]

@red and ed: Do you really believe steam-powered shovel suspicious for his day protect?

Like I said when I voted, I don't really get what value he's bringing to the game with it. Maybe it was just tongue-in-cheek, but why Llama? It just seemed kind of out of the blue.

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@ RC: Nothing more to say on what I've said about you?

Alright, well, you say that you put all this thought into voting me, but I don't think that's true. It seemed like you were more in the business of marketing my wagon than you were "thinking" about it. All I saw, essentially, was that you didn't like SP's reasons and you didn't like that I liked them even more.

Why shouldn't this be valid? Because, in my opinion, town would be more pressed to investigate as to why I was warming up to SP rather than assuming I was doing it maliciously (i.e. Llama's reaction versus yours/Spyrex).

Lastly, I surrendered my position on the back of Llama pointing out the tangled web of V/LAs and absences that kind of plauged SP's quick draw position. I still don't really get a scummy vibe off of SP, but I've changed my mind in regards to how he arrived at Nikanorscum.

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Why aren't you scumhunting? Why are you going for "easy targets". That really aren't. You're not looking for actually scummy, you're looking for textbook scummy to see what shit you can get past us. Add that to knowing too much, and for the time being I'm pretty sure you're scum.

You know, I was trying to find a way to vote you, UK, but I think this is a pretty good observation. I'm changing my mind about you. I've been racking my brain trying to figure out an angle to really back up any wagon on SPS, but there's really nothing there to vote on.

But what seals the deal is your post 198.

Unvote; vote: Amished

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@UK: Fine, fucking lynch me. I'll agree that this game doesn't suit my playstyle and I'm a bit lost but this was the biggest thing to happen in the game and I'm attacking SPS for it.

Besides, then I can have an example to point to that "lolreactions" is fucking retarded postgame, and that SP doesn't find scum.

Whatever, I'm town, just lynch me.

BECAUSE YOU'RE BEING FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE.

I truthfully explain everything that I thought and think through, nothing is inconsistent and everything I fucking say is a lie apparently. Jesus christ.

Here comes the AtE!

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Leaving my vote on RC because he's gone suspiciously quiet as of late (plus my previous grievances still stand).

Rarely do I post during evenings in any US timezone given my schedule.

@ UK: Voted SPS for the dayprotect stuff. Pretty similar to what Amished got accused of doing.

@ Magnus: That excuses him how? And that makes you call Amished scum and RC not why?

You know what? I brought this up earlier, but I essentially gave you a pass for it. This is the second time you've put words and positions in my mouth. "RC is doing the same stuff as Amish is!"

I'm not, and that's dishonest. I haven't made a post yet because it's only been... 7 hours since Amish clarified his stance and 24 hours since my last post. I noticed you've discounted these things and taken it as an opportunity to both try to get everyone voting Amish to vote me and also argue that I'm being "suspiciously quiet". So, answer this then, how many posts do I need to make a day to not be characterized as "suspiciously quiet"?

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SK's balancing act statement above doesn't make sense if he's scum and Amish is scum with him - thats just asking for rope.

I'm thinking this is true, but I'm also leaning toward the idea that at least one of them are some form of scum. Amish's complete abandonment of SPS after he went to great lengths to justify his vote is not so great.

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Who forgot about this?
Because my question (addressed "@ed and red:") was after that post.

Bingo.

Both Amish and SK are, for some reason, trying to rush through these accusations as though everything that happened tonight happened over the course of multiple days. I hadn't even read SPS' explanations for his fake dayprotect until now, and already SK and Amish are pushing the idea that I was ready to lynch SPS (read Amish 236, SK 234) for invalid reasons. The problem is that it's completely opportunistic in Amish's case, and in SK's case he seemed convinced prior to any vote I cast on SPS that I was scum, so this is just confirmation bias.

In short, no one "forgot" about me, as SK would lead us to believe, there simply has only been a handful of hours since anything has really taken place.

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Each of you may ask me ONE question to which I will answer with some semblance of useful information.

What do points mean?

Bad Things.

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@mo: it's been a day and a half (the day-protect happened yesterday morning). My reaction was different from RC (I was innocent until proven guilty, RC was other way around) for reactions regarding the claim.

Now cut that out, Amish. Are you so prideful that you can't even let the fact that there hasn't been adequate time since my last post penetrate through your rhetoric?

I also need the flip of RC to nail the next person to the door.

So I went from being a suspect to an information lynch? Sounds completely opportunistic, which is starting to be a common theme with you in this game. Will you just say and do whatever you think will convince the most people?

[Steam-Powered Shovel]

Response: Glork
Broadcast: Is it possible that I will be able to target someone at some point purely based on my own role?

Re: dayprotect, frankly, I didn't put a whole lot of thought into it, I just did it, so no, I wasn't looking for specific reactions.

I'm unsure about Amished.

[Amished]

I WAS RIGHT! God dammit anyhow, will you all step off now?

@RC:

[quote="Amished]I also need the flip of RC to nail the next person to the door.

So I went from being a suspect to an information lynch? Sounds completely opportunistic, which is starting to be a common theme with you in this game. Will you just say and do whatever you think will convince the most people? [/quote][/quote][/quote]Why must you take things out of context?

Magnus asked me why I wasn't attacking those on my wagon like my theory would dictate (scum driving my wagon over scummate RC). As it stands, if both RC and one/more of my wagoners are scum, it doesn't matter who I attack. Also, your lynch ISN'T an information lynch. Your scum-flip WILL be a key point in nailing the next person to the door, but it's not for information.

[Amished]

failtags

I WAS RIGHT! God dammit anyhow, will you all step off now?

@RC:

I also need the flip of RC to nail the next person to the door.

So I went from being a suspect to an information lynch? Sounds completely opportunistic, which is starting to be a common theme with you in this game. Will you just say and do whatever you think will convince the most people?

Why must you take things out of context?

Magnus asked me why I wasn't attacking those on my wagon like my theory would dictate (scum driving my wagon over scummate RC). As it stands, if both RC and one/more of my wagoners are scum, it doesn't matter who I attack. Also, your lynch ISN'T an information lynch. Your scum-flip WILL be a key point in nailing the next person to the door, but it's not for information.

[sykedoc]

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[magnus_orion]

I WAS RIGHT! God dammit anyhow, will you all step off now?

No. Because I was right too.
I didn't expect there to be any motivation behind it whatsoever.

@RC: inclined to agree with Amish's opportunism comment. You change your wagon rather than stick with your SPS read. Why? Also, looking for a reason to vote someone doesn't give me pro-town feelings.

[SaintKerrigan]

@ SP: Missing information is not always a scumtell. Why does me not knowing what to make of Spy make me scummy? (I noted points of interest to me, but both of them are things that can be somewhat townish or somewhat scummy. Without more solid modifiers, I gave a neutral read.) Who said I thought Spy was town for "starting" the wagon?

Why do you keep changing the points against me every time I question them?

@ RC: Because I'm more suspicious of the fools that follow the wagon than the fool that started it. SP had bad reasoning, and you pretty much went "/agrees with everything, vote" with nothing original to contribute. Why can't this be scum being lazy and piggybacking off of someone else's argument?

Also, Amished hop is /fail.

You need to post enough, and give enough content in the posts, to make me think you aren't trying to activelurk. (And I'm not telling you exactly what I think is acceptable. That would be anti-town of me.)

How is your reasons for going after SPS different from Amished's?

[SaintKerrigan]

Also, I never said you were ready to lynch SPS in 234. I said why you and Amished were doing similar things and asked why you weren't getting called out on it.

Quit misreppin' me here, boy.

[UncertainKitten]

Ok...so what was the "I WAS RIGHT" thing about? Did I miss something?

Also, not sure I like "I really wanted to find a reason to vote you, UK" from RC. It speaks of a mindset that's not looking for scum but personal targets. Not sure why me, since I'm not that easy to lynch, but whatever.

I do think that RC correctly called out Amished and SK on suspicious behaviors and no real misrep was involved. In fact, if there's any misrep, it's Kerrigan on RC.

[SaintKerrigan]

@ UK: ??? How am I misrepping RC?

[SocioPath]

Who said I thought Spy was town for "starting" the wagon?

Yes, call out the word 'town', not the reasoning behind such.
Way to refute THAT statement.

Why do you keep changing the points against me every time I question them?

I don't.

[SaintKerrigan]

I don't [keep changing the points against you].

(After I defend Amished)

Well, SK is scum with ED. That much is obvious.

SP is still being anti-town. Since when does defending another player automatically make someone scum?

It doesn't.
Your handling of such does though.

Why is my handing of the defense of Amished scummy?

Your handling of Spy is scummy.

@ SP: Why? And why was it strong enough to merit a vote?

I believe SP is refering to how you
1. judged spyreX only in relation to the amished wagon as neutral
2. judged spyreX as neutral for doing both of the things your other two suspects had to some degree done.

However, that's just my impression on the matter.
Even if that is not what SP is referring to, care to explain?

@ Magnus: I'm not sure where to put Spyrex at the moment, so he's going into my neutral category. I just commented on Spyrex because I had been commenting about the other Amished voters, and forgot Spyrex was voting him as well.

And this part:

although he did start the Amished wagon.

PROTIP: He didn't.

@ SP: Ok, I goofed and missed your vote. Why does this make me scum?

Individually, it doesn't.
But your post was a trainwreck of scum filled bags of scummy scum.

@ SP: Why?

Why what.

But your post was a trainwreck of scum filled bags of scummy scum.

Why? (for dummies!)

@ SP: Ok, I goofed and missed your vote. Why does this make me scum?

Ok, you goofed and missed my vote.
No big deal.

Forgot Spyrex was voting Amished too.

My mind doesn't know what the hell to make of Spyrex

, but he seems to have been fairly quiet,

although he did start the Amished wagon

.

Going neutral for now.

Also, to everyone jumping on Amished for what he did, why aren't you giving RedCoyote the same treatment?

This

: Attacks people for the wagon, yet doesn't even know who is on it.

This

: Knows what to make of everyone else on the wagon though, but not Spy.
This:

Leaving my vote on RC because he's gone suspiciously quiet as of late (plus my previous grievances still stand).

This

: Spy started the wagon that SK is attacking people for being on it.

This

: But all this concludes to Spy just being neutral.

This

: "Why X not Y".


And SK doesn't think Spy not starting the wagon is a big deal, despite that was listed in the reasons for SK's opinion on Spy.

@ SP: Missing information is not always a scumtell. Why does me not knowing what to make of Spy make me scummy? (I noted points of interest to me, but both of them are things that can be somewhat townish or somewhat scummy. Without more solid modifiers, I gave a neutral read.) Who said I thought Spy was town for "starting" the wagon?

Yes, call out the word 'town', not the reasoning behind such.
Way to refute THAT statement.

You didn't even address the other part of my explanation regarding Spy, instead going after the very last part. Btw, you didn't even answer the question: Where did I say Spyrex was town for "starting" the Amished wagon?

I think I am going to take the heat off ED for now, because SK is actually even more likely to be scum.
Unvote
Vote: SaintKerrigan

So why are any of the things I've said more likely to make me scum than Amished?

[SocioPath]

Where did I say Spyrex was town for "starting" the Amished wagon?

What I am SAYING is that upon finding out he did not start the wagon, you declined to see that significance.
Despite him starting the wagon was part of your opinion of him.

Stop acting so dense, and pretending you don't understand hyperbole.
Or that single quotation marks imply paraphrasing.

[SaintKerrigan]

@ SP: So why does me not recognizing the significance of that make me scum?

[SocioPath]

'SO? WHATS YOUR POINT? WHERE ARE YOU GOING WITH THIS?'

You never said that either.

No, you are just stuck on the fact that I used the word town to help make a point.

It is cute that you are trying to discredit me though.
I mean, its clear that you can't actually defend against my accusations, so you have to resort to attacking anything you can try to misconstrue.

[SocioPath]

@ SP: So why does me not recognizing the significance of that make me scum?

If you list reasons for why a person is of a certain alignment, and then later find out that those reasons are not true, than naturally that should adjust your opinion on that person.

But when you fabricate an opinion of someone, than you are more likely to hold that opinion, because that is what you were scripted and trained for.

You are sitting there having been shown that your assessments when determining an alignment have been inaccurate, and you are acting like you would have had the same opinion regardless of what was discovered.