Mini 983: It Got Worse (GAME OVER)

[SpyreX]

Just read it aloud sheesh but I'll do it again:

SK's balancing act statement above doesn't make sense if he's scum and Amish is scum with him - thats just asking for rope.

However, that reeks of the kind of statement one could see setting up for pushing a "THEY MISLYNCHED HIM" SK-scum move. Normally, this activity would be performed on you BUT no way in hell would that fly so I'm a good #2.

Or, its a town statement that just makes me :headdesk:

[SocioPath]

Its at the top of the page, Ed.

Read that post of SK's.

[magnus_orion]

Also, to everyone jumping on Amished for what he did, why aren't you giving RedCoyote the same treatment?

He hasn't responded yet

Y'all are kind of talking over my head with this "LRC" and "LRCv2". I feel like the entire discussion is centering on meta that I'm not going to read. I don't see the supposed contradiction that Spyrex does, so I don't really have a problem with that.

Vote: Steam-Powered Shovel

for being unsure what he's trying to accomplish by with his "day protect" remark. I think Llama is doing a good enough job for himself, and I don't know why SPS felt the need to jump in and attach himself to him like that.

Forgot about this... (adding to SK's point with quotes for relevance)

Who forgot about this?
Because my question (addressed "@ed and red:") was after that post.


SK, could you be more specific as to what I'm supposed to learn from isoing you in that game?

[Amished]

@SP: I did. It made logical sense to me; seeing two like situations (both attacking SPS for the dayprotect thing) and only seeing one person get attacked for it. From there, the person being attacked is most likely town and scum are generating the attack since it's not a bilateral attack (and the other attacker of SPS is therefore scum). That's half the reason I've switched my vote to RC off of SPS, because it made sense both logically and in mafia-context.

[UncertainKitten]

The problem is your situations are different, and likening them to same tell, different reactions isn't good.

[magnus_orion]

its been what, a few hours? usually those types of holistic reads are made over much longer periods of time. I don't think they're that accurate in the short term.

[Amished]

I explained why I thought that they were different (RC just flat out attacked SPS, I gave it a null to slight pro-town tell until I learned that it was a lie). However, the (simple) basis for the attack on me is that I attacked SPS. RC also attacked SPS, but he isn't being attacked like I'm being attacked.

[magnus_orion]

Because he isn't talking.
Because he hasn't answered my question yet. Because how he answers will give me reads, and those reads may be different from my reads on you.

[magnus_orion]

Like I said, its only been a few hours. Certainly not enough to justifiably state that the reactions toward the two players are different. Also, accepting that assumes one of us is scum. Shouldn't you, Amished, be suspecting one of us, rather than accepting it as a given and going for the person who would be implicated by one of us being scum? If we were all town, the argument would have no basis.

[SocioPath]

@SP: I did. It made logical sense to me; seeing two like situations (both attacking SPS for the dayprotect thing) and only seeing one person get attacked for it. From there, the person being attacked is most likely town and scum are generating the attack since it's not a bilateral attack (and the other attacker of SPS is therefore scum). That's half the reason I've switched my vote to RC off of SPS, because it made sense both logically and in mafia-context.

That only covers the last paragraph.
Which those types of responses come from scum anyways.
("Why attack X when Y did the same thing?")

Now look at the first paragraph which is about SpyreX.

[sykedoc]

Vote Count:

(Subject to Stupidity)
SocioPath (2): Steam-Powered Shovel, Llamafluff
RedCoyote (2): SaintKerrigan, Amished
Amished (3): SpyreX, UncertainKitten, magnus_orion
Steam-Powered Shovel (1): RedCoyote
LlamaFluff (1): Nikanor
SaintKerrigan (1): SocioPath

Not Voting:

RayFrost, SaintKerrigan, ???

FoS Count:

Nikanor (1): LlamaFluff
Sykedoc (2): SaintKerrigan, Amished

SK didn't unFoS me, thus you can't FoS magic onion.

Point Count:

Nikanor: 2
Llamafluff: 2
SpyreX: 1
Amished: 1


Broadcast: Each of you may ask me ONE question to which I will answer with some semblance of useful information.

[Amished]

@mo: it's been a day and a half (the day-protect happened yesterday morning). My reaction was different from RC (I was innocent until proven guilty, RC was other way around) for reactions regarding the claim.

Also, while SK and my premise factors in on interactions between players, I also need the flip of RC to nail the next person to the door. I'm also not going to reveal who I think is scum in the wagon to keep scum in the dark if I'm onto the next person in the team or if I'm not. I don't see any reason for me to reveal that information.

@SP: Ok, he looked at the wagon that formed against me (UK/MO, mainly). This would make sense since it was the attack of me and not of RC that SK brought up as a critical situation in the game, while Spyre's vote on me happened before the period of reference that was critical to SK's reasoning (as was your vote on me). He then analyzed further the wagon and made a gut call in the spur of the moment. Not seeing a lot of scum motivation behind it; if SK is scum (and if you believe whatsoever that he's not scum with me), why would he transfer suspicion onto either a different mislynch, or (what I believe will happen) onto scum?

[UncertainKitten]

Broadcast: Are you, the person typing in red, ??? ?

Player 12 does not have modding abilities.

[SocioPath]

Broadcast: Using the base 10 number system, of my last 3 votes, what is the number of those 3 that were placed on a non-town player?

SocioPath gains a point for being a smartass.

[Amished]

@Mod: I'm voting RedCoyote now

Fixed

[UncertainKitten]

Hmmmmmmmm...

Not liking Amished's latest post at all.

But I'm also slightly more convinced of RC scum by it.

[Amished]

Broadcast: Will a majority of people FoS'ing one person have a day-ending effect?

Day-ending? No.

[UncertainKitten]

That information is not very useful :V.

I should have been smarter with how I phrased my question. I DO believe that person 12 is able to talk through the mod, but not actively mod the thread.

Player 12's entrance should answer your question, or not.

[SocioPath]

Hmmmmmmmm...

Not liking Amished's latest post at all.

This.

But I'm also slightly more convinced of RC scum by it.

But not this.


What I think I am seeing here is what happens when you have scum defend a buddy, and trying to explain that buddy's actions, with trying very hard to not incriminate either of them.

[SocioPath]

Broadcast: Using the base 10 number system, of my last 3 votes, what is the number of those 3 that were placed on a non-town player?

SocioPath gains a point for being a smartass.

What does this red text mean?
I think someone is screwing with my posts, I

most definately wrote

that.

DERP DE DERP.

SocioPath gains a point for being slow.

[Amished]

I'm trying to decide if it's worth it to use half of the mod-records in a way that won't ruin the rest of the day. If it won't end the day, why not test to see if FoS's will do something? I volunteer myself if you'd like.

[UncertainKitten]

Eh, screw it. I just mostly don't advise trusting red text implicitly.

This seems to be an unfavorable outlook.

Don't think we are on the same wavelength, SP. We rarely are though.

[Amished]

SP, then you're tunneled hopelessly.

[SocioPath]

Don't think we are on the same wavelength, SP. We rarely are though.

We were when it came to Ed last time.

[Amished]

UnFoS
FoS: Amished

To get the ball rolling.