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[Kmd4390]

@MLock: if you were indeed miller, why would you mention your claim more than once? Even asking people to comment on it?

Obvious scum is obvious.

No, FakeGod is on the right track here. Yeah, if Mac is a miller, claiming so is fine. But Mac seems to be going out of his way to shove it down our throats that he is a miller.

Not scummy at all on Fake's part. I think he is a newer player trying to grasp the game and actually makes a good point here.

Which one, me or FG?

Heh, the old "who, me?" paranoid scum reaction. Love it.

.... Never have I seen anyone (town or otherwise) eager to be vigged to 'save a lynch'.

Huh? He doesn't seem very "eager" to be vidged to me. Just seems to be pointing out that it's a smarter play than to lynch him. Which is wrong by the way. If it was a policy "CLAIMED MILLERS MUST DIE ARGHHH" kind of thing, I'd agree. But any smart town lynches who they believe to be scum most of the time.

Oh shit, never mind, I see where you read eagerness. Must have skimmed over the "shoot me in the face" comment.

Find other games with millers please

Why?

I wager that at least 2 out of {RC, Kmd, Sudo, Esp, MMM} are scum.

Reap and Sudo would be my best guesses out of that list.

Some facts:
I posted to the thread within 10 minutes on Sens replacing me in.
As a replacement, were I scum, I would not have had any opportunity to confer with scum buddies.
I have never gambitted Day 1 as scum (and can provide previous games at request).

And any of this matters why? Maybe you had this idea before that "next time I'm scum, I'm gonna try this", got a scum PM, and tried it.

[MacavityLock]

Not scummy at all on Fake's part. I think he is a newer player trying to grasp the game and actually makes a good point here.

I don't think FG is scummy for his questions. Never said he was.

Which one, me or FG?

Heh, the old "who, me?" paranoid scum reaction. Love it.

NS quoted FG who was referring to me and said "Obvious scum is obvious". I didn't know who he was talking about. So I asked.

Find other games with millers please

Why?

Millers are bad for the town and should not be around to complicate the late game. For the good of my win condition, I want out, and I think it makes more sense for a vig to do so than to waste a majority town lynch. I don't believe this is substantially different than millers should behave/have behaved on this site.

Some facts:
I posted to the thread within 10 minutes on Sens replacing me in.
As a replacement, were I scum, I would not have had any opportunity to confer with scum buddies.
I have never gambitted Day 1 as scum (and can provide previous games at request).

And any of this matters why? Maybe you had this idea before that "next time I'm scum, I'm gonna try this", got a scum PM, and tried it.

A little thing called context. Meta me and you'll find that I'm ridiculously careful as scum. Could I have changed that up this game? Sure. But what's the upside? Especially when I'm specifically requesting to die this game.

[ReaperCharlie]

All of that is immaterial in comparison to what you SHOULD have done. Instead of providing what can only be described as a cop-out miller claim, you should have hunted scum like it was your last day to be alive, opening up a can of whoop-ass on whoever was acting scummy, and by doing so you could have

at least

hoped/tried to draw a NK toward you and off us, if not two (if there is in fact a SK role or two scum factions).

The fact that you're asking the town to waste a vig kill on you (as opposed to a lynch) STILL doesn't help us catch scum.

Either you're trying to act as a diversion (which doesn't make sense for scum trying to pull the heat off other scum, because we'd catch it right away)...

or, you really

are

a miller, and are just stupid or short-sighted, or both.





And Sudo, I eagerly await your return and your response to my questions.

[MacavityLock]

All of that is immaterial in comparison to what you SHOULD have done. Instead of providing what can only be described as a cop-out miller claim, you should have hunted scum like it was your last day to be alive, opening up a can of whoop-ass on whoever was acting scummy, and by doing so you could have

at least

hoped/tried to draw a NK toward you and off us, if not two (if there is in fact a SK role or two scum factions).

Oh, I have hunted scum, and I have found YOU. I'd love to draw off a NK, but it's kind of a pipe dream.

By the way, "hunted scum like it was [my] last day to be alive" is ridiculously stupid. I put forth a good effort to scum-hunt every game I'm in, and I really don't think that I can improve my scum-hunting accuracy by putting forth more effort. I can be wrong, and have been wrong many many times. So, my role is a liability for town, and I have no magic ability to hunt scum better as a Miller. Therefore, as I said, my best play is to accept death. Don't try to tell me what I

should

have done.

Either you're trying to act as a diversion (which doesn't make sense for scum trying to pull the heat off other scum, because we'd catch it right away)...

or, you really

are

a miller, and are just stupid or short-sighted, or both.

Congrats, you just proved I'm town. Now, who's scum? Even after your set of long posts, you still haven't put a vote down.

[Seraphim]

Alright, first, let's check out Sudo's 74:

It's early, so it's very hard to tell, but I'm innately suspicious of anyone who tries to delay or stop meaningful discussion. And so far, the silliness that has delayed it was perpetrated mainly by Nobody Special, farside, and MPR. Oddly, all three of them are also on the 6 man MMM bandwagon. No guarantees of anything, so early, but worth keeping an eye on.

The interesting thing about this post is something that farside has already pointed out: this post doesn't contribute to meaningful discussion either.

Then check out 83:

At least I was doing something to try and create real discussion instead of pointless blather.

Not really. Where exactly do you create real discussion? Well, I suppose your post did create discussion but not in the way intended.

This disproves your intial point. If you really intended to create or move along discussion, wouldn't you have pointed out something noteworthy, something actually indicative of scum? Keeping the RVS going isn't and has never been a scumtell. Some town like their RVS. So?

Farside wins the argument because she's right about Sudo's contradiction in his play.

[farside22]

okay sera at least broke down the simplest way my biggest issue on Sudo.
He argued after the above that what he did was bring up conversation and then when I stated that all he did was bitch about the joking and no one said boo the first time that if he wanted to get things moved on conversation wise doing something more then posting fluff that doesn't move the game forward he should try something new. In which case he got more defensive and didn't answer my questions.

ML/RC is a town/town fight. Both of you need to go look somewhere else. Seriously
Kmd's vote and reasoning on ML is terrible and just increased my scum read on him.

[ooba]

Sera, your tunneling on Sudo and not commenting on anything else (RC's play, Mac's claim) that happened after the farside-Sudo argument looks scummy.

Thoughts on other players?

[Seraphim]

I haven't had time to reread the rest of the game and people wanted me to comment on that a long time ago. I'll catch up when I have time. Geez.

[Sudo_Nym]

Alright, first, let's check out Sudo's 74:

It's early, so it's very hard to tell, but I'm innately suspicious of anyone who tries to delay or stop meaningful discussion. And so far, the silliness that has delayed it was perpetrated mainly by Nobody Special, farside, and MPR. Oddly, all three of them are also on the 6 man MMM bandwagon. No guarantees of anything, so early, but worth keeping an eye on.

The interesting thing about this post is something that farside has already pointed out: this post doesn't contribute to meaningful discussion either.

Then check out 83:

At least I was doing something to try and create real discussion instead of pointless blather.

Not really. Where exactly do you create real discussion? Well, I suppose your post did create discussion but not in the way intended.

This disproves your intial point. If you really intended to create or move along discussion, wouldn't you have pointed out something noteworthy, something actually indicative of scum? Keeping the RVS going isn't and has never been a scumtell. Some town like their RVS. So?

Farside wins the argument because she's right about Sudo's contradiction in his play.

My whole point (and it may not be a great point, it's been a long time since I've played in any big games) was that my actions were designed to get something going. Even if the original post was not the most worthwhile thing, we got a discussion going that got people talking, instead of pointless joking. That's my point of view on it, anyway.

It's a team game, at it's heart. There's no need for me to pile onto RC, so long as it is getting done. And if my intention was truly to completely ignore him, then at least we can agree I'm making a poor job of it.

Huh?

The scumminess meter is......

going off the........

...........

charts.

Why is that scummy? This is a team game, and there's no point in piling on when others are doing a fine job of making the case already.

[ReaperCharlie]

Dear Sudo_Nym,


.....


Your friend,
ReaperCharlie

[Kmd4390]

Mac, if there is no vig in this game, what do you think would be the correct play for town regarding you? No one else answer this please.

As for the meta defense, I don't like it. Meta is fine when it is someone using it to make a point about someone else, but self-meta can be thrown right out because the second you are aware of it, it becomes useless. Because like you said, you could easily be playing against it intentionally.

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Wait. Sera, what is the contradiction. First post says pretty much that he doesn't like useless posts and calls out the players who he thinks are doing exactly that. Second post basically talks about the first. How does that contradict?

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Farside, how is Reap/Mac town vs town? I don't see either of them as obvtown at all.

Also, lol at you seeing me as scummy like always. I kinda like that tradition.

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Don't like Sera's reaction to Ooba.

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Sudo, in that post you say you aren't voting on the wagon because other people are already doing it which:
-makes no sense because if you find him scummy, you should want him lynched and not voting him brings him no closer to a lynch and adds a little less pressure
-It also allows you to separate yourself from the lynch, especially once I do a VCA TM

[MacavityLock]

Mac, if there is no vig in this game, what do you think would be the correct play for town regarding you? No one else answer this please.

The answer is probably to lynch me eventually, but a lot of that depends on the circumstances of each particular day (i.e. how many scum lynches vs mislynches so far, what NKs we've seen, etc.).

[jmj3000]

Reread taking longer than expected, its hell to try and do it from my phone. Hope to have something worth posting by tomorrow night at the latest.

[rajrhcpfreak]

vote: ReaperCharlie

scum should die.

[farside22]

^^ this guy is so scummy

[Kmd4390]

Mac, why are you encouraging us to play based on your claim rather than your play?

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jmj, if you've honestly started your reread, you should post thoughts on what you have read so far.

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Farside, what about rajldsgkjafidusghhbfgfadnhugadfgidfnmgmnhfadhmugifadmogofaudghadfuigadfhmugmdfhuigdfuioghghdfuioagaoghpdfuighfudgioafghpghpadfuio do you find scummy?

[Kmd4390]

Also, Farside, couldn't help but notice you forgot to answer how you see Mac/Reap as being a town on town debate.

[farside22]

ML: and the case on him and peoples points are more scummy then ML, hence I dub ML town.
RC is arging things with many people and not backing off. The last game he was scum (currently ongoing) he came off scummy when arguing and said little to nothing on people he found scummy really well, hence town comment.

kmd: what do you find about raj that says town?

[Kmd4390]

kmd: what do you find about raj that says town?

Nothing stands out.

Was just curious if you had a case or not.

[FakeGod]

Sorry, I was down in Iowa for past couple days.
Will catch up soon.

[ReaperCharlie]

vote: ReaperCharlie

scum should die.

...

Um,

excuse me?

Are you really just going to mindlessly follow what is already a stupid wagon on me? It's been well over a week since your last actual post (i.e. longer than one line), and the only thing you ever said against me before this was:

so that brings me to Reap, i could go with a bandwagon on him. seams like ther is lot of atempt at content but nothing really there.

This was 100 posts ago. Have you even read the thread since then?

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Oh. Also... do you have an ETA on actually contributing to the game?

[ReaperCharlie]

P.S.

Vote: FakeGod

Iso him. Seriously. Takes 20 seconds.

[Kmd4390]

Mod, can we get a vote count please?[/b[

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Reap, I really don't think FakeGod is scum.

[Sudo_Nym]

@ReaperCharlie:

Maybe it's too early for me, but a quick search of your ISO shows no question directed at me. Just a lot of statements

about

me. Care to make it easy on a tired and overworked man?

[ReaperCharlie]

Reap, I really don't think FakeGod is scum.

Why not?

@ReaperCharlie:

Maybe it's too early for me, but a quick search of your ISO shows no question directed at me. Just a lot of statements

about

me. Care to make it easy on a tired and overworked man?

Read my 191 about your 181. There might even be other questions, I can't be arsed to look them up right now though, so...

And maybe your 'quick search' was too quick, cause I found that after about 10 seconds of glancing through.

Also: If you're not going to take the time to make a worthwhile post, don't even bother.