Mini 969 - Smalltown: Stardust Mafia (Game Over)

[Starbuck]

I'm sorry y'all. I had a busy last couple weeks.

I'm re-reading from my vote on Zang forward, since it's only a few pages.

On ReaperCharlie

@ Starbuck. Marine Corps E-3. What's AE?

I don't know if I ever answered this for you or not, but an AE is an Aviation Electrician's Mate.

I'm not a fan of RC's constant references to the MS Wiki in Post 189. It feels like he's trying too hard.

On Jack

It's possible that magna is town and simply jumps on the rhetoric-train for no good reason.

Seeing the flips from last night, this post does not give me confidence in Jack as town.

RC also points out in Post 224 that Jack is pretty confident that Faraday is a townie.

And now seeing that MoI flipped town, I could see how Jack would use MoI's "I need to check something comment" as an opportunistic push.

But on the other hand, I don't know if Jack would set himself up like that.

Must ponder on this more.

On totallynotmafia

The V/LA bit would be fine normally, it's the fact that you came back and complained about activity levels without actually having contributed yourself. To me it seems like a way of trying to look town and I've seen it been done by scum before.

The above is addressed to RC, but I feel a rather condescending tone here.

I agree about his coming back and complaining about activity levels, especially if you were contributing to it due to a V/LA. But I think you are grasping at straws with the last statement.

On charter

I'd rather not lynch Starbuck, because I'm pretty sure she will be able to post more and the lurking is just her being busy.

Thank you for playing with me so much that you know me this well.

I wish others would.





And that's the end of Day 1.

[Starbuck]

I also didn't use any of my actions as I wasn't around to submit.

[Starbuck]

The plurality meaning since I have to choose two people in order for it to work.

[Jack]

The plurality meaning since I have to choose two people in order for it to work.

No, it means you scumslipped pretty bad.

Since I

really

doubt Magna chose to block me, there are only three ways for my kill to have missed:

You redirected magna's block to me
You redirected my kill to magna and double kills aren't shown
You redirected my kill to charter, who commuted (less likely).

It's telling that starbuck said nothing about the "no role could have interfered with jack's kill" comments (and that they were made).

Vote:Starbuck

[Starbuck]

Jack, you can verify my role on the first page.

There's no scumslip at all.


You just are trying to jump at the first thing that looks scummy to you because you know you are in hot water.

Vote: Jack

[charter]

Oh hey, Jack confessed to being scum. He lists the scenario of Starbuck redirecting his vig to Magna, whose death flavor makes me pretty sure he was killed by mafia, but didn't mention being redirected to Faraday. Whether Starbuck is a SK or not, it has no bearing on the need to lynch Jack today and Zang tomorrow when he flips scum.

[ooba]

..] Vote Count [..

Kdub (0)

havingfitz (0)

ReaperCharlie (0)

Starbuck (1)

- Jack

totallynotmafia (0)

Zang (0)

-

Jack (4)

- charter, Kdub, ReaperCharlie, Starbuck

charter (0)

CallMeLiam (0)

peanutman (0)

Not voting (5)

- totallynotmafia, havingfitz, CallMeLiam, Zang, GroupThink

With 10 alive, its 6 to lynch!

[charter]

Although Starbuck's slip is pretty bad, she does make a juicy SK target, but the SK killed (I guess the 'stabbed' is the SK?), so it doesn't make sense why she wouldn't use her power, unless she didn't want to use her one redirect on anyone so soon.

I dunno, something to keep in mind, but I'd rather be lynching a sure thing in Jackscum than taking a gamble on getting the SK.

[Jack]

Jack, you can verify my role on the first page.

There's no scumslip at all.


You just are trying to jump at the first thing that looks scummy to you because you know you are in hot water.

Vote: Jack

What do you mean I can "verify your role on the first page"? I was saying you were the redirector. What does that answer?

Ask Zang about the 2nd part. I figured you as scum when I saw the kill missed.

Oh hey, Jack confessed to being scum. He lists the scenario of Starbuck redirecting his vig to Magna, whose death flavor makes me pretty sure he was killed by mafia, but didn't mention being redirected to Faraday. Whether Starbuck is a SK or not, it has no bearing on the need to lynch Jack today and Zang tomorrow when he flips scum.

You're either mafia or the biggest failure at town I've seen in a while. The mafia are the witches and faraday was blown up by a blast of magic. So Magna was the SK kill.

Mafia:
Starbuck
Reaper
Charter (I hope)

SK:
kbub

I think these are all the people voting me, but that's not omgus or coincidence. They were mafia yesterday too, the mafia always see me as a lynch target, I'm the vig and calling them mafia, and only mafia are going to jump on "no kill, jack is mafia!" like it isn't obviously silly.

[Jack]

And charter is mostly on there because he's annoying me.

[Zang]

Ask Zang about the 2nd part. I figured you as scum when I saw the kill missed.

I confirm that he thought you were scum when he saw the kills.

[charter]

Oh hey, Jack confessed to being scum. He lists the scenario of Starbuck redirecting his vig to Magna, whose death flavor makes me pretty sure he was killed by mafia, but didn't mention being redirected to Faraday. Whether Starbuck is a SK or not, it has no bearing on the need to lynch Jack today and Zang tomorrow when he flips scum.

You're either mafia or the biggest failure at town I've seen in a while. The mafia are the witches and faraday was blown up by a blast of magic. So Magna was the SK kill.

I switched the SK kill and mafia kill in my head, but the point holds true. You only considered your kill being redirected to Magna, not Faraday. This is because you killed Faraday.

Really just waiting on Groupthink to come and claim and then lynch Jack, then Zang, then I forget who the third scum was.

[totallynotmafia]

Can nobody else please place a vote until we've at least heard from GroupThink?

That's an interesting possible slip from Starbuck, it's really only the one action so I don't know why she would pluralize it. I really don't see why Starbuck would redirect Magna's roleblock though, if she were scum then it would be a good move to save RC if he is scum too and then if they killed Magna there would be no evidence of the redirect, but the problem with that theory is that the SK killed Magna, so I really doubt SB would take the risk of being found out. Anyway, it's a lot of speculation at the moment and I think we'll learn a lot more when Jack flips.

Zang, can you answer my question, why did you choose to network with Jack?

[Jack]

I switched the SK kill and mafia kill in my head, but the point holds true. You only considered your kill being redirected to Magna, not Faraday. This is because you killed Faraday.

Reaper is scum, so SB saving him means they are scumbuddies, and thus not SK. The mafia would not redirect my kill to the person they killed.

Really just waiting on Groupthink to come and claim and then lynch Jack, then Zang, then I forget who the third scum was.

Did you seriously spout all that bullshit above and top it off by talking about how there are three scum? As if you are talking from the SK perspective?

[GroupThink]

Didn't use ability last night.

[Kdub]

While we should definitely wait to hear from everyone, this seems like a pretty straightforward situation. If we believe that Magna would not have blocked Jack (and even Jack doesn't think he would have), then clearly one of Jack/Starbuck are lying. If Jack is town (or even if he is the SK, who wouldn't be lying here), then Starbuck is almost certainly scum, and there's a good chance that Charlie is scum as well.

[ReaperCharlie]

Can nobody else please place a vote until we've at least heard from GroupThink?

You seem pretty interested in protecting Jack here. Why?

And now that Groupthink has weighed in, what do you think of the Jack lynch?

Anyway, it's a lot of speculation at the moment and I think we'll learn a lot more when Jack flips.

And yet here you seem to think that it's an inevitability that Jack will flip.

Not that I disagree with lynching Jack, but you appear to be flip-flopping on whether you want him lynched now or later.

If you aren't striving to lynch scum, you aren't playing pro-town.

[Jack]

While we should definitely wait to hear from everyone, this seems like a pretty straightforward situation. If we believe that Magna would not have blocked Jack (and even Jack doesn't think he would have), then clearly one of Jack/Starbuck are lying. If Jack is town (or even if he is the SK, who wouldn't be lying here), then Starbuck is almost certainly scum, and there's a good chance that Charlie is scum as well.

The best plan for town is to lynch starbuck and have me vig reaper. Now, I would like someone (preferably someone voting me) to argue that it is better to lynch me because it is dangerous to give the mafia another kill.

*****

I think it is almost certain that magna's block was redirected to me. The couldn't have redirected my kill to one of the two dead (because then there would have been no kill). However, if someone knows that they were blocked, they should speak up.

[charter]

totallynotmafia, havingfitz, CallMeLiam, Zang, GroupThink

Who are you most suspicious of? Why? Why are you not voting?

Groupthink, why did you not use your sensor last night?
Zang, why did you target Jack? Do you think Jack's quickhammer was protown?

Anyone who hasn't claimed, should claim. I don't remember if all our lurkers claimed.

Mod, can we get some prods?

It seems like only half the players are posting.

[ReaperCharlie]

While we should definitely wait to hear from everyone, this seems like a pretty straightforward situation. If we believe that Magna would not have blocked Jack (and even Jack doesn't think he would have), then clearly one of Jack/Starbuck are lying. If Jack is town (or even if he is the SK, who wouldn't be lying here), then Starbuck is almost certainly scum, and there's a good chance that Charlie is scum as well.

The best plan for town is to lynch starbuck and have me vig reaper. Now, I would like someone (preferably someone voting me) to argue that it is better to lynch me because it is dangerous to give the mafia another kill.

Basically you just want us to just... trust you on this. Um. No.

I think it is almost certain that magna's block was redirected to me. The couldn't have redirected my kill to one of the two dead (because then there would have been no kill). However, if someone knows that they were blocked, they should speak up.

Why would Starbuck redirect magna to you? Listen up, scumboy. Starbucks voting history includes: charter, zang, then me. Why would she (knowing magna was a blocker) redirect him to block you, if she was VOTING FOR ME? That kind of implies that she WANTS ME DEAD. So what you're suggesting DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

Yes, as scum it would make sense for her not to claim her actions, but then again, perhaps she was v/la as she said she'd be. I assume she didn't expect the day to end so quickly. But then again, you were the one who made sure it did, weren't you?

Obviously, I am still capitally suspicious of you, and even given Starbuck's slip, we can lynch later as she doesn't have an EXTRA KILL to use tonight, like you do. FFS.

It would appear that you just got caught in your own lie (that you were going to kill me last night), and now you're trying to find any possible avenue to cover your arse.

Also, I notice from re-reading your initial skirmish (posts 95-100) on MoI that you seem quite eager to pin the SK role on someone. Is that either because you don't want the label on yourself? Or because you're mafia scum and you are mostly interested in finding the SK because after that killing off the town will be easy with your double night-kill?

And another thing that's still bothering me is why you said this:

It isn't flawed if faraday is a townie, which he probably is.

That makes it very powerful and better than most other choices for motivator. Wasn't thinking about the SK part of it when I said "tracker is good".

You couldn't possibly have known that then. This is a much worse 'slip' than Starbuck's 'abilities' slip.

And if you weren't thinking about the SK, why were you still so certain that the tracker (faraday) was good? There was just no way, because like I said earlier, all he'd posted prior to that was 5 fluff/rvs/in/speculation posts.

No explaining/AtE/AtPing your way out of this one. Die scum.

[ooba]

Mod, can we get some prods?

It seems like only half the players are posting.

Have prodded CallMeLiam since he has not posted yet in D2.

[Jack]

Reaper, some advice for you if you get a scum role again. If this game had more good active townies, they would literally laughing out loud at how blatantly bad your scummy arguments are. I'm not laughing because I don't like wading through bullshit.

Why would Starbuck redirect magna to you? Listen up, scumboy. Starbucks voting history includes: charter, zang, then me. Why would she (knowing magna was a blocker) redirect him to block you, if she was VOTING FOR ME? That kind of implies that she WANTS ME DEAD. So what you're suggesting DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

Yes, as scum it would make sense for her not to claim her actions, but then again, perhaps she was v/la as she said she'd be. I assume she didn't expect the day to end so quickly. But then again, you were the one who made sure it did, weren't you?

Why would YOUR SCUMBUDDY stop the VIG from KILLING YOU? I don't know, my brain is too tiny to figure that out.

It would appear that you just got caught in your own lie (that you were going to kill me last night), and now you're trying to find any possible avenue to cover your arse.

Why would I say that I was going to kill you and then not do it?

Also, I notice from re-reading your initial skirmish (posts 95-100) on MoI that you seem quite eager to pin the SK role on someone. Is that either because you don't want the label on yourself? Or because you're mafia scum and you are mostly interested in finding the SK because after that killing off the town will be easy with your double night-kill?

Because he did a weird thing where he made a point of how he had to check the PM, that was a link to the SK.

Does anyone actually read this stuff and not think it's retarded? Reaper is accusing me of being mostly interested in finding the SK, but I dropped MoI and have been going hard for reaper, charter, kdub, and today starbuck...the majority of my arguments have been about scumteams.

You couldn't possibly have known that then. This is a much worse 'slip' than Starbuck's 'abilities' slip.

No. You already tried this argument:

Faraday is probably a townie because there are 8 townies and 4 scum. The context was in talking about the general strategy of who to motivate, not about the posts of a player.

Your reply was this:

1. How does the ratio of town/scum mean that Faraday is a townie?

Which is more of your inability to tell the difference between possible, probable, and definite. I would call you a VI if it weren't obvious that you genuinely think you are being cunning scum manipulating the town.

Also, reaper, this contradicts the previous part of your post where you accused me of hunting the SK. If I was scum I wouldn't know that faraday was not the SK. You are accusing me of knowing faraday is a townie in a game where scum don't know if someone is a townie.

[ReaperCharlie]

Yawn.

I am not scum

, so how could Starbuck be my scumbuddy?
and, why would you say you'd kill me then not do it?:

It's called lying.

It's what scum do. And it's what you did.

[havingfitz]

totallynotmafia, havingfitz, CallMeLiam, Zang, GroupThink

Who are you most suspicious of? Why? Why are you not voting?

Groupthink, why did you not use your sensor last night?
Zang, why did you target Jack? Do you think Jack's quickhammer was protown?

Anyone who hasn't claimed, should claim. I don't remember if all our lurkers claimed.

Sorry..combination of little internet time and waiting to see how the claims panned out. I did not have any powers last night so nothing to claim from me. I'm suspicious of RC and Jack for no new reasons, so nothing to add there. I need to look everyone else over and see who else captures my attention. I would place a vote on Jack but am not interested in the day ending too quickly...especially with as you point out...several people awol today.

[Zang]

totallynotmafia, havingfitz, CallMeLiam, Zang, GroupThink

Who are you most suspicious of? Why? Why are you not voting?

Groupthink, why did you not use your sensor last night?
Zang, why did you target Jack? Do you think Jack's quickhammer was protown?

Anyone who hasn't claimed, should claim. I don't remember if all our lurkers claimed.

Mod, can we get some prods?

It seems like only half the players are posting.

I am most suspicous of starbuck because I don't think Jack is lying about RC. I'll come back with a case on her later.

Jacks quickhammer has nothing to do with why I networked him. I networked him because he's probably the only one (besides maybe the lurkers) who doesn't think I'm obvscum.